Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #78

[nhmemorymaker]

An Arizona state representative is scrambling to head off criticism after he compared coronavirus restrictions that require the wearing of protective masks to the tattooing of Holocaust victims by the Nazis.

Rep. John Fillmore, who is vice chairman of the state House’s Education Committee, spoke at a protest held on Monday in front of the State Capitol in Phoenix against ongoing coronavirus regulations, including the use of masks.

“It’s reminiscent of the 1930s in Germany, when people on their own bodies were tattooed,” Fillmore said of the mask requirement.

Local NBC affiliate Channel 12 News spoke to Fillmore, who sought to defend himself against criticism, saying, “Laws, rules and regulations will be started from fear, fanned by opportunists, which shall wrap us up in forced or mandatory vaccinations, lockdowns and drastic fear-laden draconian rules.”

“No government should ever have any right to, nor the ability to, say to its citizens they must ingest, take, inject or drink any serum into their own (or without parental consents their child’s) bodies or tattoo on their bodies as the Germans did in the Holocaust in the 1930s,” he added.

Arizona State Rep Criticized for Comparing COVID‐19 Mask Requirement to Tattooing of Holocaust Victims

right............. said any true holocaust survivor ever.

 

[Trino]

right............. said any true holocaust survivor ever.

Just cannot believe a state legislator would say such a thing and risk putting anyone who believes him in harm’s way.

 

[Clair Louise]

Just cannot believe a state legislator would say such a thing and risk putting anyone who believes him in harm’s way.

It seems to be a trend.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I live in California and the last people I use for guidance is any State legislator.

 

[Clair Louise]

It could be a herd immunity strategy ... one that will take some years to achieve without an effective vaccine in place. imo


Atlas joined the coronavirus taskforce in mid-August.

The radiologist and senior fellow at Stanford University’s conservative Hoover Institution has advocated against the use of masks and pushed the White House to adopt a controversial strategy, allowing young people to contract the coronavirus in hopes of achieving “herd immunity.” Atlas, who doesn’t have any training or background in infectious diseases, has appeared on Fox News to push for reopening schools and questioned the efficacy of masks.

“Many of his opinions and statements run counter to establish science, and, by doing so, undermine public-health authorities and the credible science that guides effective public health policy,” reads the letter addressed to colleagues on Wednesday.

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I am an RN and worked for years and years in both the public health system and private practices. I can tell you there is a plethora of highly educated in one field, but clueless in another, out there and are quite sure they are experts in everything. With huge egos.

 

[SouthAussie]

I live in California and the last people I use for guidance is any State legislator.

The difference being that you are up on the current situation. You "get it".
There are those who cannot comprehend what is happening, or prefer to remain in a state of denial.

Those people are the ones who are less likely to make smart choices, and use the kind of words stated by Fillmore to keep themselves in that state of denial.
It is less concerning to be in denial. Those people can just happily carry on in their usual way, and not think about what is happening to so many people around the world and in their own country. Because those thoughts might be painful. imo

 

[neesaki]

An Arizona state representative is scrambling to head off criticism after he compared coronavirus restrictions that require the wearing of protective masks to the tattooing of Holocaust victims by the Nazis.

Rep. John Fillmore, who is vice chairman of the state House’s Education Committee, spoke at a protest held on Monday in front of the State Capitol in Phoenix against ongoing coronavirus regulations, including the use of masks.

“It’s reminiscent of the 1930s in Germany, when people on their own bodies were tattooed,” Fillmore said of the mask requirement.

Local NBC affiliate Channel 12 News spoke to Fillmore, who sought to defend himself against criticism, saying, “Laws, rules and regulations will be started from fear, fanned by opportunists, which shall wrap us up in forced or mandatory vaccinations, lockdowns and drastic fear-laden draconian rules.”

“No government should ever have any right to, nor the ability to, say to its citizens they must ingest, take, inject or drink any serum into their own (or without parental consents their child’s) bodies or tattoo on their bodies as the Germans did in the Holocaust in the 1930s,” he added.

Arizona State Rep Criticized for Comparing COVID‐19 Mask Requirement to Tattooing of Holocaust Victims

I say, no problem with wearing a mask, it’s just common sense, and no big deal. Get over it already. But I am one who has a problem with getting injected with some unknown serum / “vaccine” . Especially when they’re fast tracking it. What reason do I have to trust corrupt government entities and Big Pharma.... all rolled into one, IMO. None.

 

[MrX]

I experienced "arbitrary" tonight. Both venues over served me, but under totally different disguises. I have a sick feeling that if I had Covid, I have it again. The shortness of breath, cough and nose "pinch" are all too familiar, and equally unwelcome. Be good.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

The difference being that you are up on the current situation. You "get it".
There are those who cannot comprehend what is happening, or prefer to remain in a state of denial.

Those people are the ones who are less likely to make smart choices, and use the kind of words stated by Fillmore to keep themselves in that state of denial.
It is less concerning to be in denial. Those people can just happily carry on in their usual way, and not think about what is happening to so many people around the world and in their own country. Because those thoughts might be painful. imo

Nah. I think that the people you describe are few and far between.

I don't consider myself to be exceptional. JMO

 

[Auntie Cipation]

The problem with economics, I was always told (including by economics professors) is that it's all based on the assumption that humans behave rationally.

 

[Clair Louise]

I say, no problem with wearing a mask, it’s just common sense, and no big deal. Get over it already. But I am one who has a problem with getting injected with some unknown serum / “vaccine” . Especially when they’re fast tracking it. What reason do I have to trust corrupt government entities and Big Pharma.... all rolled into one, IMO. None.

And that is your choice. I don't think the vaccine is going to be mandatory. I am for vaccinations, but I don't get the flu vaccine.

 

[SouthAussie]

Nah. I think that the people you describe are few and far between.

I don't consider myself to be exceptional. JMO

During the month of June, 5,987 people were asked if they wear a mask.
20% said they were not wearing a mask in public. (About 1,200 people.)

And then this pie chart shows the breakdown of reasons for not wearing a mask. About 150 of those 1200 people were in denial that there is a pandemic.

So about 2.5% of the total respondents (or 12.5% of people who don't wear a mask) don't think there is a pandemic. Which could correlate to about 8,275,000 people in the US.
Enough people to make a difference in the virus spread. imo

I don't think you are an exception either. I think they are. But it only takes a little bit of poison to contaminate the entire glass of water.



American individualism is an obstacle to wider mask wearing in the US

 

[Deleted member 39678]

During the month of June, 5,987 people were asked if they wear a mask.
20% said they were not wearing a mask in public. (About 1,200 people.)

And then this pie chart shows the breakdown of reasons for not wearing a mask. About 150 of those 1200 people were in denial that there is a pandemic.

So about 2.5% of the total respondents (or 12.5% of people who don't wear a mask) don't think there is a pandemic. Which could correlate to about 8,275,000 people in the US.
Enough people to make a difference in the virus spread. imo

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American individualism is an obstacle to wider mask wearing in the US

I'm going by what I see with my own eyes not what a sample of people who were asked about it 3 months ago who may have lied to the people who asked them. JMO

 

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[SouthAussie]

I'm going by what I see with my own eyes not what a sample of people who were asked about it 3 months ago who may have lied to the people who asked them. JMO

And there is likely nothing the average citizen can do about it, anyway. They will likely hang onto their beliefs until someone they will believe tells them differently.

 

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Thanks for the link, margarita. Nice to see you again.

 

[tresir2012]

So, are people really thinking that 450,000 (or whatever) people can roll up to a town on their Harleys, drink together, crowd in to watch bands together, and not super-spread the virus when they return to their home states?

And yet much smaller weddings - for much shorter time periods - at different venues have been contact traced to 100 and more covid cases (as per weepingangel's links).

It just doesn't seem logical to me.

Of course there has been spread and deaths (at least one that we know of) and it has been reported in several states, presumably via contact tracing. What is not believable is the amount projected of 250k in a 4 week period, which is a fifth of all nationwide cases. If it spread that quickly, surely herd immunity would have occurred by now?

 

[tresir2012]

I experienced "arbitrary" tonight. Both venues over served me, but under totally different disguises. I have a sick feeling that if I had Covid, I have it again. The shortness of breath, cough and nose "pinch" are all too familiar, and equally unwelcome. Be good.

I hope you are wrong about it but maybe get a test.

 

[tresir2012]

No one says they consciously inflated the numbers, but economists rarely use real world facts as the basis of their theories - their goal is to demonstrate potential economic impacts. In this case, it is the medical costs of CoVid, a perfectly valid research goal. Right? Who would not want to know the future costs of CoVId?

We all should want to know. And it can only be speculated - which is what economists do, with a limited number of known-to-exist variables. That's what they did.

Now, did they actually do any research as to how Sturgis came up with its 467,ooo number? Nope. But I sure tried to get a handle on it, as I am part of a group of anthropologists who were watching Sturgis from our own professional points of view. I emailed 10 campgrounds and got responses from 7. I wanted to know how long the typical Sturgis camper stays.

They all said similar things in response to brief queries. Which is that some people were in their camps for 30 days or even longer, encompassing and perhaps working at Sturgis. Weekends saw the campgrounds fill up for a 3-4 day period and then be more empty during the mid-week. Campgrounds were about half full the entire time 10 day period.

Then, I read about how Sturgis itself estimates its numbers. Let's just say that it's a poor method that inflates the number (they count the cars and bikes in 9 large parking lots and up and down main streets; smaller parking lots and parking on the periphery of town are estimated to be another 10% of that total). Then they count each car as 2 people and each bike as 1 person (something like that - the explanation at the end was a bit unclear).

So they don't count individual arrivals - they count a person each time they park in Sturgis. Many of the same people are there for several days. Sturgis of course wants to claim a high number (so it can lure back its failing advertising deals).

But the economists would never do this kind of work (and if I were going to publish any of this, I'd need to correspond way more with the Sturgis Chamber of Commerce, have some Zoom talks with them, etc). The economists took a proferred, known number (Sturgis estimate), did not try to find out how that was calculated or if it was inflated.

Their goal was to show what a number looks like when it goes through a several step, known-to-work statistical model about human economic behavior (how many other places those people would go, etc - the rest of the work was quite complex).

The economists also analysed cell phone footage, so they must have had a pretty accurate overall number of visitors. It was the final calculation they did that seemed really suspect to me. MOO.

Here's a recent MSM link about it.

State health officials disagree with report linking Sturgis Rally to 267K positive COVID-19 cases

 

[tresir2012]

Daily confirmed COVID-19 deaths, rolling 7-day average

US deaths from Covid have fallen below 800 for the first time since mid July. (rolling 7day average)

Average US daily deaths are 8,000 per day.

U.S. COVID-19 average deaths by day | Statista

"As of September 10, 2020, an average of around 939 people per day have died from COVID-19 in the U.S. since the first case was recorded in the country in mid-January. On an average day, nearly 8,000 people die from all causes in the United States, based on data from 2019. The daily death toll from seasonal flu, using preliminary maximum estimates from the 2019-2020 influenza season, is an average of almost 332 people. Based on the latest information, about one in eight deaths each day can be attributed to COVID-19 since January."