Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #84

[MimosaMornings]

As COVID-19 cases rise, these states set rules for traveling to and from North Carolina — The Charlotte Observer

“With North Carolina’s new daily COVID-19 cases among the highest in the nation, some states have set rules such as mandatory quarantines for North Carolina travelers and those visiting the state.

North Carolina has a seven-day average of about 2,000 new coronavirus cases daily and is reporting that about 6% of COVID-19 tests taken showed positive results as of Oct. 19. “

 

[mickey2942]

Well, it is going to happen (pending ethical and regulatory approval) ... starting in January.

I see that they are independently recruiting, and not going with the USA people who have been recruiting.


Young, healthy people will be deliberately infected with covid-19 in the first ever human challenge trial, set to begin at a London hospital in January. The study, announced today, will recruit up to 50 healthy volunteers between 18 and 30. The UK government has pledged to invest £33.6 million ($44 million) in the trial, which will be carried out in partnership with hVIVO, a company with experience in human viral challenge trials. It will take place at the Royal Free London NHS Foundation Trust, if it gets ethical and regulatory approval. Volunteers will be paid, isolated for the duration of the study, and monitored for up to a year afterwards to check for any side effects.

COVID-19 Volunteer Trials - UK COVID Challenge

Dozens of volunteers will be deliberately infected with covid-19 in the UK

I sincerely wish that I could talk to these young people before they run to the bank with their check, because I am sure that they will be paid.

As a young college student I "volunteered" to be infected with a "rhinovirus", to test the efficacy of Interferon. They told me it would be a cold. I became sicker than ever, for weeks. It wasn't worth it.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Class-action lawsuit demands tuition refunds from Montana State

As the article states, there are over 200 such class action lawsuits in the works. It is not only going to be higher education, but they as a class, do have such litigious situations, given all the service fees students are faced with.

It looks like a beautiful campus, which brings up a less spoken issue. Higher education institutions put so much into brick and mortar spending (often, arguably, compared to reduced programs spending)... thus making such a great haven for students to be involved, collaborative and connected.

How many lawsuits are going to end up in the Supreme Court??? What a mess we will be faced with for years.

 

[SouthAussie]

I sincerely wish that I could talk to these young people before they run to the bank with their check, because I am sure that they will be paid.

As a young college student I "volunteered" to be infected with a "rhinovirus", to test the efficacy of Interferon. They told me it would be a cold. I became sicker than ever, for weeks. It wasn't worth it.

Yes they will be paid. "Volunteers will be paid".

I know a man whose son (about 30 years old) volunteers for a substantial amount of hospital trials, here in Adelaide. I asked him if his son was concerned about long term effects, or serious illness way down the road in the future. He said that he doesn't think so. Just lives in the moment. The son makes thousands of dollars in these trials. He is in it for the money. I just shook my head.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Here's when Disneyland, other big theme parks can reopen in California

Ghaly warned that theme parks were higher risk settings than stadiums because they have thousands of people coming from a broad geographic area, people mixing and congregating, and many frequently touched surfaces.

“People may keep their guard up when they’re in a theme park” but when they're "milling around in a community" that can raise the risk of spreading the virus, he said.

Here's when Disneyland, other big theme parks can reopen in California

Geeezz... such detailed restrictions!!!!

Florida’s theme parks like Universal Orlando and Disney World’s resorts have been open with certain restrictions since the summer. California sent health officials to the Sunshine State and other areas to observe those restrictions before coming up with its latest plan.

And Disneyworld has been opened for a long time. I have always said, if anyone can do it right, it will be Disney. I believe Disneyworld is more spread out than Disneyland, and maybe that makes a difference. I have read articles about disgruntled employees, but have not seen much negative press with covid conditions.

 

[10ofRods]

Geeezz... such detailed restrictions!!!!

Florida’s theme parks like Universal Orlando and Disney World’s resorts have been open with certain restrictions since the summer. California sent health officials to the Sunshine State and other areas to observe those restrictions before coming up with its latest plan.

And Disneyworld has been opened for a long time. I have always said, if anyone can do it right, it will be Disney. I believe Disneyworld is more spread out than Disneyland, and maybe that makes a difference. I have read articles about disgruntled employees, but have not seen much negative press with covid conditions.

The employees aren't just disgruntled - some of them have CoVid. I think it's unfair to characterize those employees who spoke out about being so sick as "disgruntled."

It's an unpleasant topic, but one reason Disneyworld is not associated with any big outbreaks is that...very few people are going.

At Disney World, ‘Worst Fears’ About Virus Have Not Come True

The Wall Street Journal calls the park "empty":

Travel During Covid: Disney World, But Empty

Will DeSantis's proposal to just not report as frequently on CoVId cases at amusement parks, businesses of other kinds, schools help or harm Disneyworld, I wonder?

DeSantis suggests scaling back frequency of reporting COVID cases

I wouldn't say that employees are "disgruntled," but instead very concerned about Disney's policies about return-to-work:

Workers Reveal Disney Is Covering Up Its COVID Cases

The slow return of customers to Disney World is prompting 6700 lay-offs:

Nearly 6,700 Disney employees in Florida face layoffs

I think until international travel is restored (which means we have to get control over CoVid), the parks will continue to suffer. Travel in general needs to be more possible for Disney to get back on its game.

 

[Colorado303]

I’ve tried to educate the non mask wearers.
You know we’re the ones that give facts, where to get masks, post the deaths, rising numbers, etc.
Polite, factual, caring posts.

The non maskers hit back with name calling, swearing, derision - “old frightened lady stay home”, “you’re stupid” and other such nastiness. The women were worse than the men. These were my neighbors.
Just my experience.

I hate to say it, and maybe this has been discussed in earlier threads, but IMO some people Just. Don’t. Care.

We assume if only they understood masks are for protection of the individuals they encounter and society in general of course they would wear one. I believe that’s true for some people. For others, it will take someone close to them getting deathly ill before it registers. And there are the “All about me” folks who won’t change their behavior unless they, themselves get quite sick.

It occurs to me there hasn’t really been an event that unified the nation since 9/11. It’s been almost 20 years since something truly scary happened here and there’s an entire generation that hasn’t seen “one for all” behavior modeled by society. Instead they’ve seen widespread social devisiveness. Combine that w/a sense of entitlement (everyone gets a trophy) and MSM that fans rage while skewing stories for ratings. I know it isn’t just millennials bashing masks, and many younger people are wearing them religiously. I’m just giving my opinion on why some of the ones who won’t won’t.

As for older generations, I think MSM and social media are fostering and fanning rightful indignation and some degree of anger and even hatred in just about everyone, myself included. Not the frame of mind to be in for some to care about the rest of the world.

I’m curious if mask compliance is higher in areas that have recently been hit with a devastating incident that caused communities to come together. Hurricane Katrina, California wildfires, East Coast floods, etc.

As for what can be done? I’ve seen this WWII poster 100 times.

From what I understand, the country really pulled together. Women went to work in factories and everyone quit wearing nylons for starters. What was different then than now. And are there things done then that can be duplicated today to help get everyone on the same page?

 

[10ofRods]

So...after the recent increase in CoVid cases, the daily deaths are starting to rise as predicted.

Here's are the states with the most deaths (raw numbers - which makes it even more troubling);

1. Florida. (85) 21 million
2. Texas. (70) 29 million
3. North Carolina (53). 10.5 million
4. Indiana. (48) 6.7 million
5. Illinois. (41) 13 million
6. South Carolina (35). 5 million
7. Wisconsin. (33). 6 million
8. Mississippi. (31). 3 million
9. California. (30). 40 million
10. Tennessee. (30). 7 million

The population numbers in the third column are rounded off.

If you take a look at, say, Mississippi, and multiple its deaths by 7 (to match FL), that's as if FL had 217 deaths (!) Several states surpass FL in terms of per capita deaths today...

 

[SouthAussie]

I hate to say it, and maybe this has been discussed in earlier threads, but IMO some people Just. Don’t. Care.

We assume if only they understood masks are for protection of the individuals they encounter and society in general of course they would wearing one. I believe that’s true for some people. For others, it will take someone close to them getting deathly ill before it registers. And there are the “All about me” folks who won’t change their behavior unless they, themselves get quite sick.

It occurs to me there hasn’t really been an event that unified the nation since 9/11. It’s been almost 20 years since something truly scary happened here and there’s an entire generation that hasn’t seen “one for all” behavior modeled by society. Instead they’ve seen widespread social devisiveness. Combine that w/a sense of entitlement (everyone gets a trophy) and MSM that fans rage while skewing stories for ratings. I know it isn’t just millennials bashing masks, and many younger people are wearing them religiously. I’m just giving my opinion on why some of the ones who won’t won’t.

As for older generations, I think MSM and social media are fostering and fanning rightful indignation and some degree of anger and even hatred in just about everyone, myself included. Not the frame of mind to be in for some to care about the rest of the world.

I’m curious if mask compliance is higher in areas that have recently been hit with a devastating incident that caused communities to come together. Hurricane Katrina, California wildfires, East Coast floods, etc.

As for what can be done? I’ve seen this WWII poster 100 times.

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From what I understand, the country really pulled together. Women went to work in factories and everyone quit wearing nylons for starters. What was different then than now. And are there things done then that can be duplicated today to help get everyone on the same page?

You make very valid points. "Don't care, until ..... "

This virus being an invisible enemy just fuels that "don't care" attitude. IMO

I don't think people are properly digesting that all of these quoted deaths are thousands and thousands of real people.
They are not laying in war fields dying or having their homes bombed, they are not dying in a collapsing tower. They are quietly, and painfully, passing away in hospitals and at home ... and occassionally on a plane that is sitting on a runway.

 

[oviedo]

So...after the recent increase in CoVid cases, the daily deaths are starting to rise as predicted.

Here's are the states with the most deaths (raw numbers - which makes it even more troubling);

1. Florida. (85) 21 million
2. Texas. (70) 29 million
3. North Carolina (53). 10.5 million
4. Indiana. (48) 6.7 million
5. Illinois. (41) 13 million
6. South Carolina (35). 5 million
7. Wisconsin. (33). 6 million
8. Mississippi. (31). 3 million
9. California. (30). 40 million
10. Tennessee. (30). 7 million

The population numbers in the third column are rounded off.

If you take a look at, say, Mississippi, and multiple its deaths by 7 (to match FL), that's as if FL had 217 deaths (!) Several states surpass FL in terms of per capita deaths today...

And after our governors presser today - I feel even more hopeless ..
JMO

 

[Colorado303]

And after our governors presser today - I feel even more hopeless ..
JMO

@oviedo Can you remind me what state you’re in?

 

[10ofRods]

I hate to say it, and maybe this has been discussed in earlier threads, but IMO some people Just. Don’t. Care.

We assume if only they understood masks are for protection of the individuals they encounter and society in general of course they would wear one. I believe that’s true for some people. For others, it will take someone close to them getting deathly ill before it registers. And there are the “All about me” folks who won’t change their behavior unless they, themselves get quite sick.

It occurs to me there hasn’t really been an event that unified the nation since 9/11. It’s been almost 20 years since something truly scary happened here and there’s an entire generation that hasn’t seen “one for all” behavior modeled by society. Instead they’ve seen widespread social devisiveness. Combine that w/a sense of entitlement (everyone gets a trophy) and MSM that fans rage while skewing stories for ratings. I know it isn’t just millennials bashing masks, and many younger people are wearing them religiously. I’m just giving my opinion on why some of the ones who won’t won’t.

As for older generations, I think MSM and social media are fostering and fanning rightful indignation and some degree of anger and even hatred in just about everyone, myself included. Not the frame of mind to be in for some to care about the rest of the world.

I’m curious if mask compliance is higher in areas that have recently been hit with a devastating incident that caused communities to come together. Hurricane Katrina, California wildfires, East Coast floods, etc.

As for what can be done? I’ve seen this WWII poster 100 times.

View attachment 268554

From what I understand, the country really pulled together. Women went to work in factories and everyone quit wearing nylons for starters. What was different then than now. And are there things done then that can be duplicated today to help get everyone on the same page?

I. Totally. Agree.

And there's research to support your point - people who just don't care...well, that's another way to say "irresponsible" or "lacking empathy." In some nations (cf Vietnam for a really good example) caring for others is a way of life.

My colleagues and I talk about how, if this were WW2, we'd be screwed. Would people turn out their lights at night as directed? I say many would not.

I think mask compliance in California is a bit higher, especially in the fire areas, for a few reasons. People got used to wearing them when the air quality got bad (and it hasn't been good in many places this summer). And people already had them on hand.

BUT, we've got entire counties defying all mask orders. If you look at that NY Times daily map of where CV cases are rising, you can see right away where California's problem is (and, well, many of those places have had fires, so I don't know what to tell you).

I don't like wearing a mask. But I dislike a future of mostly online learning for my grandkids even more. I dislike not being able to travel and I feel so badly for all the jobs lost - mostly entry level positions and the fact that new jobs are not in areas where job seekers want them to be (healthcare is not appealing to many people).

America is symbolized by its leadership and its spoken commitments. I think it has to start there. Most Californians like Gavin, think he's a unifying force (and the ones who don't - you guessed it, they won't wear masks as a kind of protest).

Still, having said that, even the most mask-skeptical parts of California are doing better than some other entire states. I think it's because the mask-refusniks are in a substantial minority and everyone side-eyes them. I try to be understanding (I don't expect surfers near the ocean to wear a mask, even if they are in a parking lot - but I do expect them to stay 10 feet away from me...)

 

[10ofRods]

And after our governors presser today - I feel even more hopeless ..
JMO

Maybe after the election he'll settle down - his decision about reporting infrequently (and non-specifically) about CoVid is a one-of-a-kind experiment. No other nation or state has deliberately taken this approach.

 

[Trino]

Grrr. Went to a VW dealer today for an oil change. Three people waiting were not wearing masks, despite state mandate and despite sign on door requiring masks to enter. Obviously, the dealer was not about to rock the boat.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

The employees aren't just disgruntled - some of them have CoVid. I think it's unfair to characterize those employees who spoke out about being so sick as "disgruntled."

It's an unpleasant topic, but one reason Disneyworld is not associated with any big outbreaks is that...very few people are going.

At Disney World, ‘Worst Fears’ About Virus Have Not Come True

The Wall Street Journal calls the park "empty":

Travel During Covid: Disney World, But Empty

Will DeSantis's proposal to just not report as frequently on CoVId cases at amusement parks, businesses of other kinds, schools help or harm Disneyworld, I wonder?

DeSantis suggests scaling back frequency of reporting COVID cases

I wouldn't say that employees are "disgruntled," but instead very concerned about Disney's policies about return-to-work:

Workers Reveal Disney Is Covering Up Its COVID Cases

The slow return of customers to Disney World is prompting 6700 lay-offs:

Nearly 6,700 Disney employees in Florida face layoffs

I think until international travel is restored (which means we have to get control over CoVid), the parks will continue to suffer. Travel in general needs to be more possible for Disney to get back on its game.

I was going to state the intimate relationship between Disney execs with DeSantis...but chose not too earlier. But it is always in our minds here.... And the disgruntlement of employees is pretty clear in the article you posted...
Workers Reveal Disney Is Covering Up Its COVID Cases

 

[MimosaMornings]

Do Masks On Plane Flights Really Cut Your Risk Of Catching COVID-19? — NPR

“So the big question is this: How well do the masks work? Do they make it safe to fly across the country for a family visit?

Scientists are just beginning to answer that question. And their findings offer a glimmer of hope as well as fresh ideas about what's most important for protecting yourself on a plane.”

 

[nhmemorymaker]

@oviedo Can you remind me what state you’re in?

florida florida florida .... many of us............................

 

[10ofRods]

Do Masks On Plane Flights Really Cut Your Risk Of Catching COVID-19? — NPR

“So the big question is this: How well do the masks work? Do they make it safe to fly across the country for a family visit?

Scientists are just beginning to answer that question. And their findings offer a glimmer of hope as well as fresh ideas about what's most important for protecting yourself on a plane.”

Great article - although I hope the man in the story is taking Amtrak via private cabin, as I doubt it would be any safer (and I'll bet mask enforcement on Amtrak is not as great as the airline in the story).

 

[10ofRods]

I was going to state the intimate relationship between Disney execs with DeSantis...but chose not too earlier. But it is always in our minds here.... And the disgruntlement of employees is pretty clear in the article you posted...
Workers Reveal Disney Is Covering Up Its COVID Cases

I was simply objecting to the somewhat perjorative term "disgruntled." I think the employees are justifiably scared and outraged. At least, that's how the word is heard out here where I live. Often preceded by the word "just."

"She's just disgruntled because she didn't get her raise, so she's complaining about her boss." But yeah, those employees have every right to be angry. I'd just use the word angry instead!

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I was simply objecting to the somewhat perjorative term "disgruntled." I think the employees are justifiably scared and outraged. At least, that's how the word is heard out here where I live. Often preceded by the word "just."

"She's just disgruntled because she didn't get her raise, so she's complaining about her boss." But yeah, those employees have every right to be angry. I'd just use the word angry instead!

good point. thanks. I have meant justifiably disgruntled..... they want to keep their jobs............