Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #84

[Deleted member 39678]

Workers Reveal Disney Is Covering Up Its COVID Cases

“We want to know if any cast members have tested positive. But Disney has taken the position that they’re only going to tell us if our cast members do,” said Matt Bell, a spokesperson for UFCW Local 324, one of a dozen unions representing workers, or “cast members,” at Disneyland. “What is supposed to happen is contact tracing—find out who was exposed and quarantine them as well. I can’t confirm that they’ve done that.”

Is it legal under HIPPA for Disney to give health information of employee's to the union?

Workers Reveal Disney Is Covering Up Its COVID Cases

 

[Rose in SC]

So...after the recent increase in CoVid cases, the daily deaths are starting to rise as predicted.

Here's are the states with the most deaths (raw numbers - which makes it even more troubling);

1. Florida. (85) 21 million
2. Texas. (70) 29 million
3. North Carolina (53). 10.5 million
4. Indiana. (48) 6.7 million
5. Illinois. (41) 13 million
6. South Carolina (35). 5 million
7. Wisconsin. (33). 6 million
8. Mississippi. (31). 3 million
9. California. (30). 40 million
10. Tennessee. (30). 7 million

The population numbers in the third column are rounded off.

If you take a look at, say, Mississippi, and multiple its deaths by 7 (to match FL), that's as if FL had 217 deaths (!) Several states surpass FL in terms of per capita deaths today...

BBM - I try to keep the South Carolina thread updated with (what I thought were) the daily DHEC (Department of Health and Environmental Control) Covid stats but then lists like this come along and make me feel like I've just been wasting my time for the last 7 months. I'd rather not post at all than post inaccurate numbers.

According to DHEC there were 25 'new' confirmed deaths today; 666 (!) new confirmed cases (reported today, but yesterday's stats).
SC announces 666 new COVID-19 cases, 25 more deaths Tuesday

And what I assume are the "35" deaths to put us at #6 on the list above were reported thusly on DHEC's site today:
September 21 (1)
October 6 (1)
October 8 (2)
October 12 (2)
October 13 (2)
October 14 (1)
October 15 (3)
October 16 (7)
October 17 (5)
October 18 (9)
October 19 (2)

So that's not really 35 "daily" deaths as the list above claims - that's 35 "newly reported" deaths from 11 different days. Are all the states on that Top 10 list tallied that way? Isn't that kind of misleading? Especially when you have to go all the way back to September 8 to find a "daily" death total of 35 or more.

It's just all so confusing to me - I don't even know what's accurate anymore. According to this DHEC graphic, there were 2 deaths on October 19, but in the media, DHEC reports 25 deaths. Where did the 25 come from? I admit I'm not smart enough to figure this all out, lol.

 

[CSIDreamer]

BBM - I try to keep the South Carolina thread updated with (what I thought were) the daily DHEC (Department of Health and Environmental Control) Covid stats but then lists like this come along and make me feel like I've just been wasting my time for the last 7 months. I'd rather not post at all than post inaccurate numbers.

According to DHEC there were 25 'new' confirmed deaths today; 666 (!) new confirmed cases (reported today, but yesterday's stats).
SC announces 666 new COVID-19 cases, 25 more deaths Tuesday

And what I assume are the "35" deaths to put us at #6 on the list above were reported thusly on DHEC's site today:
September 21 (1)
October 6 (1)
October 8 (2)
October 12 (2)
October 13 (2)
October 14 (1)
October 15 (3)
October 16 (7)
October 17 (5)
October 18 (9)
October 19 (2)

So that's not really 35 "daily" deaths as the list above claims - that's 35 "newly reported" deaths from 11 different days. Are all the states on that Top 10 list tallied that way? Isn't that kind of misleading? Especially when you have to go all the way back to September 8 to find a "daily" death total of 35 or more.

It's just all so confusing to me - I don't even know what's accurate anymore. According to this DHEC graphic, there were 2 deaths on October 19, but in the media, DHEC reports 25 deaths. Where did the 25 come from? I admit I'm not smart enough to figure this all out, lol.

Indiana reports the same way. It's very misleading to use a state report that clearly says 45 deaths from x to x and pass it off as a daily death toll. JMO

 

[Deleted member 39678]

BBM - I try to keep the South Carolina thread updated with (what I thought were) the daily DHEC (Department of Health and Environmental Control) Covid stats but then lists like this come along and make me feel like I've just been wasting my time for the last 7 months. I'd rather not post at all than post inaccurate numbers.

According to DHEC there were 25 'new' confirmed deaths today; 666 (!) new confirmed cases (reported today, but yesterday's stats).
SC announces 666 new COVID-19 cases, 25 more deaths Tuesday

And what I assume are the "35" deaths to put us at #6 on the list above were reported thusly on DHEC's site today:
September 21 (1)
October 6 (1)
October 8 (2)
October 12 (2)
October 13 (2)
October 14 (1)
October 15 (3)
October 16 (7)
October 17 (5)
October 18 (9)
October 19 (2)

So that's not really 35 "daily" deaths as the list above claims - that's 35 "newly reported" deaths from 11 different days. Are all the states on that Top 10 list tallied that way? Isn't that kind of misleading? Especially when you have to go all the way back to September 8 to find a "daily" death total of 35 or more.

It's just all so confusing to me - I don't even know what's accurate anymore. According to this DHEC graphic, there were 2 deaths on October 19, but in the media, DHEC reports 25 deaths. Where did the 25 come from? I admit I'm not smart enough to figure this all out, lol.

Thank you for your post.

The deaths listed are from September 21st to October 19th meaning four weeks. That's spread out for a months time not a daily figure.

I have to say I'm a bit confused also. JMO

 

[Deleted member 158085]

How many of you actually spent your time in whatever amount of lockdown you have done in the ways you initially expected/envisioned? I just realized that I have spent my time in ways I did not expect or plan to, and not at all in doing what I originally expected or planned to.

 

[Trino]

How many of you actually spent your time in whatever amount of lockdown you have done in the ways you initially expected/envisioned? I just realized that I have spent my time in ways I did not expect or plan to, and not at all in doing what I originally expected or planned to.

Really hasn't been much of a problem - spent time bicycling, hiking, taking our RV to lesser known state parks during the week. We probably would not have done the state parks had the virus not hit. Husband re-built a retaining wall, but that was pre-planned. He also ripped up bedroom carpet and put in a wood floor, but I had to re-paint the bedroom and closet walls - not in my plan but glad it's done. I dismantled and re-finished outdoor furniture - sort of planned that before the virus hit. I think Home Depot benefitted from the virus.

 

[MimosaMornings]

COVID-19 cases linked to Charlotte church event jump to ‘more than 23,’ county says — The Charlotte Observer

“After sounding the alarm on Twitter Saturday, Mecklenburg County Public Health said Monday it is now investigating more than 23 confirmed cases of COVID-19 linked to an event at the United House of Prayer for All People on Beatties Ford Road.

On Saturday, Mecklenburg County urged all people who attended convocation events at the church Oct. 10 and 11 to get tested. At the time, the county linked at least nine cases of COVID-19 to the weekend event.

That number has now grown, according to Mecklenburg deputy health director Raynard Washington.

The county’s tally of over 23 cases for the two-day event appears to be the highest number of cases publicly announced by local health officials that were linked to a singular event or location.”

Sigh.

50 COVID-19 cases tied to Charlotte church. Officials urge attendees to get tested. — The Charlotte Observer

“The number of COVID-19 cases traced back to a Charlotte worship service has grown to 50, but church leaders have not agreed to conduct testing on site, Mecklenburg health officials said Tuesday.

County health officials first announced the outbreak Saturday, saying at least nine COVID-19 cases were connected to United House of Prayer for All People at 2321 Beatties Ford Road.

But by Tuesday, the number of cases had more than doubled since Monday, Deputy Health Director Raynard Washington told county commissioners. County officials initially identified “more than 23” cases, the Observer reported.”
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The event included attendees from all over the country.

Church leaders were not interested in setting up testing on site.

 

[Satchie]

I hate to say it, and maybe this has been discussed in earlier threads, but IMO some people Just. Don’t. Care.

We assume if only they understood masks are for protection of the individuals they encounter and society in general of course they would wear one. I believe that’s true for some people. For others, it will take someone close to them getting deathly ill before it registers. And there are the “All about me” folks who won’t change their behavior unless they, themselves get quite sick.

It occurs to me there hasn’t really been an event that unified the nation since 9/11. It’s been almost 20 years since something truly scary happened here and there’s an entire generation that hasn’t seen “one for all” behavior modeled by society. Instead they’ve seen widespread social devisiveness. Combine that w/a sense of entitlement (everyone gets a trophy) and MSM that fans rage while skewing stories for ratings. I know it isn’t just millennials bashing masks, and many younger people are wearing them religiously. I’m just giving my opinion on why some of the ones who won’t won’t.

As for older generations, I think MSM and social media are fostering and fanning rightful indignation and some degree of anger and even hatred in just about everyone, myself included. Not the frame of mind to be in for some to care about the rest of the world.

I’m curious if mask compliance is higher in areas that have recently been hit with a devastating incident that caused communities to come together. Hurricane Katrina, California wildfires, East Coast floods, etc.

As for what can be done? I’ve seen this WWII poster 100 times.

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From what I understand, the country really pulled together. Women went to work in factories and everyone quit wearing nylons for starters. What was different then than now. And are there things done then that can be duplicated today to help get everyone on the same page?

IMO western society threw social conformity out the window in the 60's, so we've seen all sorts of new rights and social resistance to pretty much everything. Power is now routinely seen as something the individual must stand up against.

Not targetting the OP, but I think it's kind of naive to think we can create a society where many people have new-found rights that we approve of, without seeing an equal and opposite movement for rights in areas we don't approve of...

 

[mickey2942]

Really hasn't been much of a problem - spent time bicycling, hiking, taking our RV to lesser known state parks during the week. We probably would not have done the state parks had the virus not hit. Husband re-built a retaining wall, but that was pre-planned. He also ripped up bedroom carpet and put in a wood floor, but I had to re-paint the bedroom and closet walls - not in my plan but glad it's done. I dismantled and re-finished outdoor furniture - sort of planned that before the virus hit. I think Home Depot benefitted from the virus.

True. My daughter works at a hardware store, and my son, is working at Home Depot. They have been swamped with work.

It is interesting, I keep hearing how everyone is unemployed and can't get a job. Meanwhile, I have friends who own businesses, and can't find employees...there is a disconnect somewhere.

 

[Tigerlily75]

It appears Australia may have its first case of reinfection. A person who had the virus in July has once again tested positive.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/...onavirus-cases-no-deaths-20201021-p5670w.html

 

[Colorado303]

How many of you actually spent your time in whatever amount of lockdown you have done in the ways you initially expected/envisioned? I just realized that I have spent my time in ways I did not expect or plan to, and not at all in doing what I originally expected or planned to.

Me too. I planned to stay home and for the most part I have. But lots of things I planned to do that I didn’t have time for before are still not done. But I found myself spending time in new ways — things I hope I’ll continue when things are back to normal.

 

[Lilibet]

Speaking of WWII:

From what I understand, the country really pulled together. Women went to work in factories and everyone quit wearing nylons for starters. What was different then than now. And are there things done then that can be duplicated today to help get everyone on the same page?

It was a different world back in the 1940’s. People were more willing to sacrifice for the greater good and there wasn’t the emphasis on “freedom” we’ve had since my baby boomer generation came of age in the ‘60’s. BUT there was strong leadership at the very top and, as your Rosie the Riveter poster illustrates, there was an excellent campaign of public service announcements educating the citizens. People will “follow the leader” if they understand why their sacrifices are a necessary and a life-saving civic duty.

I remain convinced that if government leaders had stepped up right away and modeled appropriate healthy behavior like masks, instituted a massive and pervasive PSA campaign, and supported governors’ efforts to contain the virus it would have made a world of difference in how citizens view the pandemic in the U.S. (and in the number of cases and deaths). Unfortunately, the opposite happened. There is no chance of a redo now, and we are stuck with a large minority of citizens who view masks as a sign of “weakness.” Realistically, the rest of us are on our own in our efforts to educate ourselves, as we do on this thread, and stay safe.
JMO

 

[SouthAussie]

Just want to show you the info we see about current covid cases in Australia.

This graph is of the last two weeks of cases in our state of NSW, who are proving to be very good at contact tracing.

It is very reassuring to our population to see data like this.




Pink is cases under investigation
Blue is known local source
Black is overseas acquired (returned travellers who are in quarantine)
Orange is unknown source (community spread)

Local cases down significantly in NSW, overseas returnees slightly up

 

[Mo Thuairim]

So, it's happened even sooner than I thought. From midnight tonight, Ireland will be the first EU country to return to a full national lockdown for six weeks. Only essential services to remain open and everyone to stay within 5km of home, with certain essential travel and compassionate exceptions.

Ireland placed on Level 5 of the Plan for Living with COVID-19

Level 5 lockdown: Everything you need to know about the new Covid laws and fines for travel and house parties

 

[SouthAussie]

Me too. I planned to stay home and for the most part I have. But lots of things I planned to do that I didn’t have time for before are still not done. But I found myself spending time in new ways — things I hope I’ll continue when things are back to normal.

Makes me think of this post on the Hippie Peace Freaks FB page
(Hope this is allowed)

 

[SouthAussie]

So, it's happened even sooner than I thought. From midnight tonight, Ireland will be the first EU country to return to a full national lockdown for six weeks. Only essential services to remain open and everyone to stay within 5km of home, with certain essential travel and compassionate exceptions.

Ireland placed on Level 5 of the Plan for Living with COVID-19

Level 5 lockdown: Everything you need to know about the new Covid laws and fines for travel and house parties

6 weeks. That is a lot longer than the two week lockdown that they will be having in Wales, starting on Friday.
6 weeks will likely will be more beneficial as well, even though it will be tougher.
Plus Ireland is an island, which should help.

Are you prepared? I imagine people will be scrambling a bit to get ready.

 

[Colorado303]

Makes me think of this post on the Hippie Peace Freaks FB page
(Hope this is allowed)

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Exactly!

 

[Mo Thuairim]

Thanks, @SouthAussie, yeah we're ready for it. Won't make too much of a difference to us as we work from home anyway in a rural area. The nearest supermarket is 20km from us so we can travel as normal to buy food and are not restricted to the 5k radius like they are in cities.
But it's tricky because even though we're an island, Northern Ireland is part of the UK and has less stringent virus restrictions. Their shops are still open so our govt is afraid of people crossing the border to shop in the North. And Northern Ireland's case numbers are really dreadful at the moment, even worse than the Republic's. So they are going to beef up policing and fines. Many feel it's too heavy handed an approach, some feel it's not tough enough...

 

[GRT]

We have a humidifier, although we don't have forced air heating any longer anyway. But we plan to use it if we're going to be running errands or otherwise running into Covid - if it's dry (which it often is here in winter).

Figure it can't hurt.

I can see that. The other thing I've been wondering about is whether the virus could carry from apartment to apartment in large complexes through the heating system. And, if so, I wonder if it would be worth it to put an additional filter over the heating vents.

Personally, I think one of the worst places to be would be in an airplane where all the air is constantly recirculated within a small space. It doesn't seem as though masks would be adequate protection in that situation.

For example, my glasses are always fogging up with my mask on and I see others with foggy glasses, so I know some of their breath is escaping the mask. When that happens on a plane, there's no way to get away from the germs because the air is designed to recirculate.

Stay off planes.

 

[GRT]

I getcha...I understand what you are trying to say, and want this too. We just have to work together.


On a personal level, I just keep as far away as I can when i see maskless in a group, or if one has snuck into a store. I have had to have a number of workers in my house...and I always hand them a mask if they don't have one. I just say " I am just more vulnerable and cannot take chances, and they are usually just fine saying "no problem"...

But on a broader level, how CAN we get people to work together to get through this together....

There is enough evidence, science, to know what we have to do to avoid shut downs....

What should we do to positively encourage people to help each other.......

And What SHOULD I do, when someone says its all a hoax, its just the flu, and its proven that masks don't really work... social media local neighborhood sites where I live say this all the time..

i just don't know.

You make excellent points! Now that the virus has spread to the extent it has, many of us know someone who has been infected and died. For me, that someone is the uncle of a friend. I was in line at the self-checkout in Walmart (I avoid the checker check-out like the plague.) a burly guy behind me who was wearing a mask was saying he thinks it's all a hoax to the lady behind him. I turned and said my friend's uncle died and I told him his name. He was very nice about it and we chatted briefly about how he hadn't known anyone who knew anyone who died--up to that point.

Maybe it made a difference, maybe it didn't, but I think being kind and educating is our only hope.

I keep seeing meanness and name-calling and I think that only works against the goal of preventing deaths. When we call people "no-maskers," "anti-maskers," or "covid-deniers," or worse, we aren't convincing anyone to stay safe, we're just putting them in a postion where they're going to dig in their heels all the more.

What you're doing is right, in my opinion. It may not work every time, or even very often, but if being kind and encouraging someone to be safe keeps just one infected person from infecting others, you may have saved countless lives!