Coronavirus - Global Health Emergency, 2019-nCoV #3

[margarita25]

New York Times is reporting an American in Wuhan has died of the virus. I wish I had a subscription to post a link.

Coronavirus Live Updates: An American in Wuhan Dies From the Virus

An American has died of the virus in Wuhan.
“A United States citizen has died from the new coronavirus in Wuhan, China, in what appeared to be the first death of an American from the outbreak.

Few details about the American, who died on Thursday, were immediately available. The person was around 60 years old, according to the United States Embassy in Beijing.

“We offer our sincerest condolences to the family on their loss,” said a spokesman for the embassy. “Out of respect for the family’s privacy, we have no further comment.””

Also from the above link:

BBM:
“American officials say that for weeks, China has ignored all offers of help from disease-fighting agencies.”

(ETA: @gregjrichards, try deleting your cookies for NYT)

 

[KALI]

Gitana1, it's more barbaric then you or I can imagine. If I ever had accidentally wandered into one of these so called "wet" markets, I would probably be jailed for trying to stop the humongous cruelty. I can't even say anymore. Except, as awful as this virus is, it has stopped the torture and murder of innocent animals.
I pray that China is learning a lesson here. That stops these murdering of animals in their so called "wet" markets.
There is cultural differences, and their is barbaric differences.
Sorry, not sorry ya all. If you've ever seen the videos, well.... beyond heartbreaking and disturbing to the bone and soul.

I’m sorry to say but I have a deep disgust for the things they eat in that country. All the exotics and animals not generally considered stock in most of the world.

 

[KALI]

Gitana1, it's more barbaric then you or I can imagine. If I ever had accidentally wandered into one of these so called "wet" markets, I would probably be jailed for trying to stop the humongous cruelty. I can't even say anymore. Except, as awful as this virus is, it has stopped the torture and murder of innocent animals.
I pray that China is learning a lesson here. That stops these murdering of animals in their so called "wet" markets.
There is cultural differences, and their is barbaric differences.
Sorry, not sorry ya all. If you've ever seen the videos, well.... beyond heartbreaking and disturbing to the bone and soul.

I’m sorry to say but I have a deep disgust for the things they eat in that country. All the exotics and animals not generally considered stock in most of the world.

 

[KALI]

Yes they have. They are very secretive. Always have been.

Coronavirus Live Updates: An American in Wuhan Dies From the Virus

An American has died of the virus in Wuhan.
A United States citizen has died from the new coronavirus in Wuhan, China, in what appeared to be the first death of an American from the outbreak.

Few details about the American, who died on Thursday, were immediately available. The person was around 60 years old, according to the United States Embassy in Beijing.

“We offer our sincerest condolences to the family on their loss,” said a spokesman for the embassy. “Out of respect for the family’s privacy, we have no further comment.”

Also from article:

“American officials say that for weeks, China has ignored all offers of help from disease-fighting agencies.”

 

[gregjrichards]

Australian girl falls ill while being held in quarantine on Christmas Island amid fears she could have deadly coronavirus

Australian child falls ill with suspected coronavirus while in quarantine on Christmas Island | Daily Mail Online

I really hope this young girl will not have the virus and will be ok.

 

[margarita25]

Quote from Amonet from the last thread:

“I forgot to copy it over to here, but I read advice on a BBC article today that anyone who's been in China recently and comes down with cold/flu symptoms should call the NHS 111 helpline for advice and support.

If you call that line they can arrange, if necessary, for a prepared ambulance to come out with the paramedics geared up, and the hospital can be ready to take the patient into an isolation area and treated by doctors and nurses who are wearing protective gear. All this might be scary but it will help enormously to ensure that if it is the new coronavirus that it won't be spread by someone sitting in a waiting area of a doctor's surgery or hospital. Chances are that it will be a cold or flu, but it's best to be safe.”

This reminds me - iirc moo I saw a video of a man in China talking about how he felt unwell and went to the hospital and there were so many people in line, I think he waited in line for hours and hours and finally may have turned around and gone home, will keep my eyes open for that video.

(I’m hoping I can just pull the video history off my TV, that way I can post all the videos in order, still working on that.)

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Coronavirus Live Updates: An American in Wuhan Dies From the Virus

An American has died of the virus in Wuhan.
“A United States citizen has died from the new coronavirus in Wuhan, China, in what appeared to be the first death of an American from the outbreak.

Few details about the American, who died on Thursday, were immediately available. The person was around 60 years old, according to the United States Embassy in Beijing.

“We offer our sincerest condolences to the family on their loss,” said a spokesman for the embassy. “Out of respect for the family’s privacy, we have no further comment.””

Also from the above link:

BBM:
“American officials say that for weeks, China has ignored all offers of help from disease-fighting agencies.”

(ETA: @gregjrichards, try deleting your cookies for NYT)

I was looking up info, and came across this piece of information that was new to me.

"Chinese law provides that all the remains of the deceased, local Chinese and aliens alike should be cremated unless there are eligible/religious reasons."

Death of a U.S. Citizen | U.S. Embassy & Consulates in China

I had no idea that it was law in China pretty much in China to cremate. Guess I should have figured that out with all the talk about crematories in the last thread.

 

[gregjrichards]

Coronavirus Live Updates: An American in Wuhan Dies From the Virus

An American has died of the virus in Wuhan.
“A United States citizen has died from the new coronavirus in Wuhan, China, in what appeared to be the first death of an American from the outbreak.

Few details about the American, who died on Thursday, were immediately available. The person was around 60 years old, according to the United States Embassy in Beijing.

“We offer our sincerest condolences to the family on their loss,” said a spokesman for the embassy. “Out of respect for the family’s privacy, we have no further comment.””

Also from the above link:

BBM:
“American officials say that for weeks, China has ignored all offers of help from disease-fighting agencies.”

(ETA: @gregjrichards, try deleting your cookies for NYT)

Thank you very much @margarita25

 

[margarita25]

I bet @Foxfire would have had some interesting input here.

 

[dotr]

Happy news.
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappen...-be-back-in-canada-and-all-together-1.5455969
''Montreal family stranded in Wuhan 'very grateful' to be back in Canada and all together
The couple say they feel welcomed and taken care of at CFB Trenton''.

"It has everything we're going to need. I think the most important things being a bathtub, Wi-Fi and a television. And I hear the food is really good. We're looking forward to that as well," Millward said.''

"Right now, we just really feel relief. And also a bit tired," Zhang told As It Happens host Carol Off, shortly after the family settled into their room. "But very excited, and know we're safe here."

All the passengers will be isolated at the base for the next two weeks as officials monitor them for signs of the coronavirus that has killed more than 600 people in China.

So far, nobody who was aboard the flight has exhibited any symptoms, Health Minister Patty Hajdu said. ''

 

[margarita25]

Happy news.
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappen...-be-back-in-canada-and-all-together-1.5455969
'Everything we're going to need'
The couple say they feel welcomed and taken care of at CFB Trenton.

"It has everything we're going to need. I think the most important things being a bathtub, Wi-Fi and a television. And I hear the food is really good. We're looking forward to that as well," Millward said.''

"Right now, we just really feel relief. And also a bit tired," Zhang told As It Happens host Carol Off, shortly after the family settled into their room. "But very excited, and know we're safe here."

All the passengers will be isolated at the base for the next two weeks as officials monitor them for signs of the coronavirus that has killed more than 600 people in China.

So far, nobody who was aboard the flight has exhibited any symptoms, Health Minister Patty Hajdu said. ''

I say it all the time, the Canadians really have got it going on. I’ve been watching a lot of Canadian news, “Global” I think it is.

Here are some recent videos from their YT channel:

Coronavirus outbreak: Canadian evacuees arrive from Wuhan, while hundreds more stuck on cruise ships

Coronavirus outbreak: Canadians boarding plane to return to Canada, foreign minister says


Global National: Feb. 7, 2020 | Coronavirus evacuees arrive in Canada, under quarantine

Coronavirus: Plane carrying Canadian evacuees from China outbreak arrives at CFB Trenton


Coronavirus outbreak: Plane carrying Canadians evacuating Wuhan lands in Ontario. What happens next?

Global National: Feb. 6, 2020 | Canadian evacuees en route from Wuhan

Global National: February 4, 2020 | New case of coronavirus reported in Canada

Global National: Feb 1, 2020 | More Canadians look to get out of China amid coronavirus outbreak

 

[seekingjustice**]

Please forgive me, I've not read all your posts. I have read that the virus seemed to be attacking the Asian community. Does anyone know if it's also been confirmed to be in other nationalities? I'm in no way being racist, I am wondering if this strain is more prevalent in certain ethnic groups, as sickle cell seems to be more prevalent in dark skinned people.

Hi WS, I actually read an article last week that mentioned susceptibility within the Chinese population.

"There is another matter involving racial susceptibility to this 2019-nCov infection disease. A group of Chinese virologists discovered that at least some Chinese have an extremely large number of a particular kind of cell in their lungs, which relate to regulating both viral reproduction and transmission. They claimed this as the appropriate “biological background for the epidemic investigation of the 2019-nCov.” (16) (17)"
China's Coronavirus: A Global Health Emergency is Launched. What are the Facts - Global Research

On a different note, another article which I found interesting related to a potential hidden source of the spread, being diarrhea.

"Doctors have reported diarrhea infrequently in 2019-nCoV patients admitted to Wuhan hospitals, though it’s been more prominent among reported cases outside the city, including members of a Shenzhen family infected in Wuhan, and more recently in the first U.S. case in Washington state. That patient experienced a two-day bout of diarrhea from which a sample tested positive."

Squat latrines, common in China, lacking covers and hands that aren’t washed thoroughly with soap and water after visiting the bathroom could be a source of virus transmission, said Nicholls, who was part of the research team that isolated and characterized the SARS virus.

A virus-laden aerosol plume emanating from a SARS patient with diarrhea was implicated in possibly hundreds of cases at Hong Kong’s Amoy Gardens housing complex in 2003. That led the city’s researchers to understand the importance of the virus’s spread through the gastrointestinal tract, and to recognize both the limitation of face masks and importance of cleanliness and hygiene, Nicholls said in an interview.

“I think in Wuhan, that would be a very likely place where you might get the transmission” from fecal material, he said. “If it’s using the same receptor as for SARS, I can’t see why it shouldn’t be replicating in the gut.”

Coronavirus Lurking in Feces May Reveal Hidden Risk of Spread

 

[margarita25]

Coronovirus outbreak: U.S. confirms 12 cases, commits $100 million to help fight illness

Coronavirus outbreak: World Health Organization warns of shortage on protective equipment

(Sorry if repost, figured I’d post while I was on the Global news YT channel)

 

[dixiegirl1035]

DATE ---- Mainland ---- Outside Mainland China
2/7----34,100----317
2/6----30,600----265
2/5----27,400----227
2/4----23,700----212
2/3-----19,700----188
2/2-------17,200----183
2/1Fri -- 14,300 ---- 173
1/31 ---- 11,200 ---- 153
1/30 ---- 9,700 ---- 118
1/29 ---- 7,700 ---- 105
1/28 ---- 6,000 ---- 87
1/27 ---- 4,400 ---- 64
1/26 ---- 2,700 ---- 57
1/25Fri -- 2,000 ---- 40
1/24 ---- 916 ---- 25

Mainland up to 2-7



Outside of Mainland up to 2-7




Operations Dashboard for ArcGIS

 

[PaulR]

Hi Gitana1.

Yeah they were kind enough to take dog off the menu during the Beijing Olympics. Dog penis is normally on the menu, along with many other disgusting things -let’s not go there

Normally seen on what menu? I've been to China, never saw dog. Chicken, fish, pork, rarely beef, sometimes lamb.

I also never saw a squat toilet.

 

[KALI]

This is definitely going to get worse. I really feel for the people who may be taken from their homes and family by knocks on their door. How truly frightening.
Hoping for good news. Maybe, against all odds.

 

[Medstudies]

So do you really think he was killed? I suspect. I mean it’s too much of a coincidence if right now the risk is 2%.

when I think about it...

He first encountered it in early December. If he were going to get sick and die, I would have expected him to have been a much earlier fatality. He, of all people, was one who would have been hyper aware, who would have followed strict universal precautions.

.... Yep, I think someone deliberately exposed him as an act of retribution . They killed him and spared the bullet. - just my opinion.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost...ang-doctor-who-sounded-coronavirus-alarm/amp/

“Investigators are launching a probe into the death of Li Wenliang, the Chinese doctor who sounded the alarm on the spread of coronavirus in Wuhan — as the global death toll from the illness rose to 638.”

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Hi WS, I actually read an article last week that mentioned susceptibility within the Chinese population.

"There is another matter involving racial susceptibility to this 2019-nCov infection disease. A group of Chinese virologists discovered that at least some Chinese have an extremely large number of a particular kind of cell in their lungs, which relate to regulating both viral reproduction and transmission. They claimed this as the appropriate “biological background for the epidemic investigation of the 2019-nCov.” (16) (17)"
China's Coronavirus: A Global Health Emergency is Launched. What are the Facts - Global Research

On a different note, another article which I found interesting related to a potential hidden source of the spread, being diarrhea.

"Doctors have reported diarrhea infrequently in 2019-nCoV patients admitted to Wuhan hospitals, though it’s been more prominent among reported cases outside the city, including members of a Shenzhen family infected in Wuhan, and more recently in the first U.S. case in Washington state. That patient experienced a two-day bout of diarrhea from which a sample tested positive."

Squat latrines, common in China, lacking covers and hands that aren’t washed thoroughly with soap and water after visiting the bathroom could be a source of virus transmission, said Nicholls, who was part of the research team that isolated and characterized the SARS virus.

A virus-laden aerosol plume emanating from a SARS patient with diarrhea was implicated in possibly hundreds of cases at Hong Kong’s Amoy Gardens housing complex in 2003. That led the city’s researchers to understand the importance of the virus’s spread through the gastrointestinal tract, and to recognize both the limitation of face masks and importance of cleanliness and hygiene, Nicholls said in an interview.

“I think in Wuhan, that would be a very likely place where you might get the transmission” from fecal material, he said. “If it’s using the same receptor as for SARS, I can’t see why it shouldn’t be replicating in the gut.”

Coronavirus Lurking in Feces May Reveal Hidden Risk of Spread

Yes, and that article linked has already been challenged (as bad science moo) by other scientists for making such a claim with only 8 specimens, as there was only one Asian male and 7 other caucasian/african samples. (Don't want to get into it, but Twitter Inc has banned financial market website Zero Hedge after it published an article about that author, he's not well respected it appears MOO)

One of the publications stated about the article you sited challenged that article's findings and found "Here, we analyzed four large-scale datasets of normal lung tissue to
investigate the disparities related to race, age, gender and smoking status in ACE2 gene
expression..... No significant disparities in ACE2 gene expression were found between racial groups (Asian vs Caucasian). " Tobacco-Use Disparity in Gene Expression of ACE2, the Receptor of 2019-nCov

 

[margarita25]

I see @dixiegirl1035 posted one of the videos I referenced earlier about wanting to find and post (Dr. Fauci, talking in lab about green section of CV seen on screen), bringing forward for anyone who missed it:

Coronavirus Global Health Emergency, 2019-nCoV #2

 

[margarita25]

Normally seen on what menu? I've been to China, never saw dog. Chicken, fish, pork, rarely beef, sometimes lamb.

I also never saw a squat toilet.

Sounds like you lucked out. Sure it was lamb?

I’m sure google has plenty of information. I prefer not to search extensively but here’s a quick link for reference, GRAPHIC WARNING / PHOTOS OF DOGS AT LINK:

Beijing takes dog off the menu for Olympics

“Dog is eaten not only by the large Korean community in China’s capital but is also popular in Yunnan and Guizhou restaurants.

A directive from the Beijing Food Safety Office issued last month ordered Olympic contractor hotels not to provide any dishes made with dog meat and said any canine material used in traditional medicated diets must be clearly labeled.

Concerned that canine dishes might offend animal rights groups and Western visitors, Beijing said restaurants expected to be popular among foreign visitors must stop serving dog meat “to respect the dining customs of different countries”.”

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There’s also the BBQ festival where they cook dogs alive mentioned in prior threads, which I’m sure none of us want to talk anymore about again.