Could Lee Anthony face charges for obstruction of justice? PART TWO

[bunnyphoenix1]

I have a ques about this immunity deal thing. I understand about the 5th and immunity from your words. The part I am having a problem with is how does the SA know what the witness needs immunity from. Does Lee (for example) go to the SA and say this is what I know give me immunity. What if authorities say no. Then they have the info and Lee has no leverage. Are hints given? Clues? How does this work?

I am not an American lawyer...but I think we have something a bit similar where I come from. As I understand it, what they were talking about on NG is a type of immunity that is very limited....where I come from, to get around the equivalent of the 5th, in criminal proceedings the Judge can grant a certificate to the Witness which protects them against having the evidence they give used against them in future proceedings, except for proceedings for perjury, if the evidence is false. If the police can make a case without the person's evidence, there is nothing stopping them from doing that, but they can't use that persons evidence at the other proceedings against them.
It seems in Florida, the witness is given that protection automatically on being served with a subpoena.

ETA...there is a different type of immunity for prosecution against specific crimes...this is granted by the prosecuting authorities, usually after a statement is received from the witness....we call them "induced statements" where I come from, and again, they have a clause that they cannot be used against the person, then would generally name specific crimes. However, if the witness doesn't give evidence in accordance with their statements, the immunity deal is over and the state can prosecute them.

IMO, the As all have zero credibility, and I doubt very much any immunity other than perhaps the standard limited witness immunity, would be given to any of them. As a prosecutor you would have a hard time arguing to a jury that any of those people are reliable and truthful witnesses.

 

[Paintr]

I am not an American lawyer...but I think we have something a bit similar where I come from. As I understand it, what they were talking about on NG is a type of immunity that is very limited....where I come from, to get around the equivalent of the 5th, in criminal proceedings the Judge can grant a certificate to the Witness which protects them against having the evidence they give used against them in future proceedings, except for proceedings for perjury, if the evidence is false. If the police can make a case without the person's evidence, there is nothing stopping them from doing that, but they can't use that persons evidence at the other proceedings against them.
It seems in Florida, the witness is given that protection automatically on being served with a subpoena.

Thank you BP, but HOW does the authorities know what the testimony will be? is it important, worth immunity unless they hear it first before making the deal. Sounds like Catch 22 to me. I'm confused

 

[Virtual Truth]

IIRC (and lately I can't recall anything with all this smoke and mirrors) and I don't know if this is any of the "official" interviews on somewhere on here - but supposedly we have been publicly told NO. Like I said though I ahve never seen any confirmation officially of what went down with that. I kinda remember hearing that KC got a text message that he was on his way and she was a some club (not Fusion) and she high tailed it before he got there. IDK

I'm still thinking he DID catch up with her - or her car at least - and that's maybe where info was exchanged.

Swag,
In reference to the July 3rd incident, her car was already towed by then. Unless somehow GA/CA and/or LA were tipped off about the car getting towed, which would throw the whole show off from the get go! At this point, nothing would surprise me!!

 

[RR0004]

OT: Mine too. Funny thing is, they had a bunch of guys on the construction site all making votes on who would be the most "do-able" and it was a tie between Sarah Palin and Casey Anthony! Talk about night and day.

This may require an entirely different thread IMO.

 

[bunnyphoenix1]

No problem, the things being said on NG tonight made no sense. If he is seeking criminal immunity than he is asking to not be prosecuted probably in exchange for his full cooperation and testimony. That would be a very specific deal with Lee having to detail what he needs immunity for and would not be open ended.

But then they also said his attorney wants him subpoenaed so that he will have immunity from his words being used against him. I have seen his attorney state that before. Why he needs to get on TV to ask for what any attorney worth paying would make sure was in place before his client testifies I don't know. But he also said he they were concerned because they hadn't received one yet leading him to believe charges were being considered. No one has been subpoenaed yet, there is no trial date. The subpoena will tell you when to make yourself available for testimony and failure to appear is a violation of the court order. I thought his attorney was a bafoon back when he made these statements, you can imagine how my opinion has soared after his comments the other day (I saw the tape last week, I saw it on TV, did I see the tape? no, I didn't see this tape).

Yes, this attorney is an oddball. I've never known a lawyer to ask for a witness to be subpoenaed before a trial date is set. Maybe he's never been involed in a trial before????

 

[bunnyphoenix1]

Also...it seems to me LA's lawyer is screaming from the rooftops, "my client is criminally involved...look at us". Guess Lee is either very secure in his present job or doesn't plan to get one anytime soon. What a way to publicly destroy your client's reputation.

 

[Pink Panther]

Swag,
In reference to the July 3rd incident, her car was already towed by then. Unless somehow GA/CA and/or LA were tipped off about the car getting towed, which would throw the whole show off from the get go! At this point, nothing would surprise me!!

She was staying with AH and RM at the time and they had gone out to a club for the evening. Her brother called her and she hightailed it out of the club...

I don't think that he found her but, if I remember correctly, it shows up on her cell records that they spoke for a lengthy period of time either July 3rd or early morning July 4rth. It was one of the few conversations with LA that shows up on her phone records. Where is TEXAS LIL when you need her!

 

[RR0004]

IIRC (and lately I can't recall anything with all this smoke and mirrors) and I don't know if this is any of the "official" interviews on somewhere on here - but supposedly we have been publicly told NO. Like I said though I ahve never seen any confirmation officially of what went down with that. I kinda remember hearing that KC got a text message that he was on his way and she was a some club (not Fusion) and she high tailed it before he got there. IDK

I'm still thinking he DID catch up with her - or her car at least - and that's maybe where info was exchanged.

I'd really like to know about this date. LP threw it out on NG tonight. It always struck me as one of those "yet to be answered" questions. I started thinking, what if he knew Caylee was missing before the 15th? I know, I'm losing it.

 

[OneLostGrl]

Also stepping gently, I have seen a reference or two to these pictures, or some kind of comprimising pictures, but I am relatively new and don't know how to catch up on this. Is there a link, or a thread I should read? Or can someone give me an update?

TY in advance.

It's discussed in one of George's interviews with LE. LE says Something about Casey having 1200 pictures in her Photobucket account, some of them "not so nice" or "compromising" (or something close to that wording) but among ALL of those pictures she didn't have even 1 of ZG.

I myself didn't take what LE said the way that others here have.. I think LE just meant some of her pics are umm, compromising. Truth be told some of them are! She's got a pic of herself in bra and panties, one with a guy grabbing (more like holding onto I guess) her breasts, the halloween pictures where she's come up behind her friend and is simulating uhh from behind. There is her sitting on a bathroom floor, face on toilet obviously vomiting. etc etc etc..

Anyway, that's just MO.

 

[RR0004]

Swag,
In reference to the July 3rd incident, her car was already towed by then. Unless somehow GA/CA and/or LA were tipped off about the car getting towed, which would throw the whole show off from the get go! At this point, nothing would surprise me!!

Well, if he was out searching for her that night, I'd like a timeline of events. Just another thing to be curious about.

 

[OneLostGrl]

This may require an entirely different thread IMO.

aaakk, no!! LOL

 

[Wise Old Owl]

Swag,
In reference to the July 3rd incident, her car was already towed by then. Unless somehow GA/CA and/or LA were tipped off about the car getting towed, which would throw the whole show off from the get go! At this point, nothing would surprise me!!

THAT'S RIGHT - IT WAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ok - so if I'm remembering correctly about hearing her high tail it outta there before LA got there - then how did she get outta there? Or should I say - WHO got her outta there? She wasn't with TL because he was in NY.

ah - LIGHT BULB - I bet she was with AD (whose interview we have yet to see - or anything from her at all) - COULD THAT BE WHY? I don't remember in reading all the interviews that one of them mentioned this - but I could be wrong - maybe that is where I remember hearing about it. Oh IDK.

But I bet she left with AD.


OK - I just read the post that says AH and RM - so there ya go. But if she did talk with LA on the 3th or the 4th and at length as well, what did she tell him? I don't think we've heard HIS side of this conversation.

 

[Virtual Truth]

Well, if he was out searching for her that night, I'd like a timeline of events. Just another thing to be curious about.

IIRC..It is in AH or RM interview. Or, maybe it was Troy's interview. Not sure...too long ago and too late for me.

 

[ariesgodofwar]

I guess the defense would love you on the jury!

No, really they wouldn't. Being attractive and having a soul do not necessarily go hand in hand. I have dated afew souless hotties. I would likely give her the chair.

 

[Pink Panther]

It's discussed in one of George's interviews with LE. LE says Something about Casey having 1200 pictures in her Photobucket account, some of them "not so nice" or "compromising" (or something close to that wording) but among ALL of those pictures she didn't have even 1 of ZG.

I myself didn't take what LE said the way that others here have.. I think LE just meant some of her pics are umm, compromising. Truth be told some of them are! She's got a pic of herself in bra and panties, one with a guy grabbing (more like holding onto I guess) her breasts, the halloween pictures where she's come up behind her friend and is simulating uhh from behind. There is her sitting on a bathroom floor, face on toilet obviously vomiting. etc etc etc..

Anyway, that's just MO.

I think that there is more. I'm just surprised that they haven't surfaced and it's leading me to believe that the people involved have too much at risk to be playing around on the internet...

MOO

 

[Pink Panther]

THAT'S RIGHT - IT WAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ok - so if I'm remembering correctly about hearing her high tail it outta there before LA got there - then how did she get outta there? Or should I say - WHO got her outta there? She wasn't with TL because he was in NY.

ah - LIGHT BULB - I bet she was with AD (whose interview we have yet to see - or anything from her at all) - COULD THAT BE WHY? I don't remember in reading all the interviews that one of them mentioned this - but I could be wrong - maybe that is where I remember hearing about it. Oh IDK.

But I bet she left with AD.

I don't know why but I really don't think that AD will have much to add as a witness. I know that we haven't seen her interview yet and that raises suspicions about what she may have said but she was a big KC supporter at the beginning and from what I've read, helped to organize the "get together" at the A's house to hash out the timeline and share ideas...

MOO

 

[Pondering Mind]

It's discussed in one of George's interviews with LE. LE says Something about Casey having 1200 pictures in her Photobucket account, some of them "not so nice" or "compromising" (or something close to that wording) but among ALL of those pictures she didn't have even 1 of ZG.

I myself didn't take what LE said the way that others here have.. I think LE just meant some of her pics are umm, compromising. Truth be told some of them are! She's got a pic of herself in bra and panties, one with a guy grabbing (more like holding onto I guess) her breasts, the halloween pictures where she's come up behind her friend and is simulating uhh from behind. There is her sitting on a bathroom floor, face on toilet obviously vomiting. etc etc etc..

Anyway, that's just MO.

I'm thinking the same way OLG. I believe that the pics they are talking about are the ones we have seen. LE would catagorize them as 'compromising' when describing them to a father.
ETA: the one in the bra and panties=not a hottie

 

[Gypsy Road]

Hahaha! I never heard/read that interview. I gave up on the interviews with CA and GA a little while ago because I found them so un-believeable and disturbing. I will have to go back and look at this "last attempt" interview they did!

I wasn't however, referring to the Fusion pics. There is discussion/speculation that the 1200 pics referred to by the FBI may in fact be just a tad more compromising than the Fusion ones...

MOO

I'm wondering if there's just SOME compromising pics in those 1200 pics. The reason I say this is because KC loved taking random pictures. They're (LE) referring to her photo bucket acct, right? I guess I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around THAT many compromising photos! I did see the compromising picture referred to in the P.L. I'm not sure it's her, but it sure looked like her - right down to the lines in her forehead (ever so slight, but they're there).

Opps...way off topic. To get back there....It sure will be interesting to watch how this all unravels. I'm not sure if NG is reporting factual info tonight or if these charges are really about to go down. This case is just an unbelievable mess!

 

[Pink Panther]

I'm thinking the same way OLG. I believe that the pics they are talking about are the ones we have seen. LE would catagorize them as 'compromising' when describing them to a father.
ETA: the one in the bra and panties=not a hottie

Always controversial this one...I thought the same thing for a while but there was one picture floating around a little while back that changed (ehem) my point of view. :crazy:

 

[radio]

It's discussed in one of George's interviews with LE. LE says Something about Casey having 1200 pictures in her Photobucket account, some of them "not so nice" or "compromising" (or something close to that wording) but among ALL of those pictures she didn't have even 1 of ZG.

I myself didn't take what LE said the way that others here have.. I think LE just meant some of her pics are umm, compromising. Truth be told some of them are! She's got a pic of herself in bra and panties, one with a guy grabbing (more like holding onto I guess) her breasts, the halloween pictures where she's come up behind her friend and is simulating uhh from behind. There is her sitting on a bathroom floor, face on toilet obviously vomiting. etc etc etc..

Anyway, that's just MO.

OLG,

I tend to agree with you on this one! At least 50% of the time. I know a lot of the thinking is rather exotic on this subject. My other 50% of the time, lol. But unless there is stuff we have never seen -- everything I have seen is pretty ordinary. Not exotic at all. What we have seen surely has no monetary value, etc.

I mean I think you are saying what you have seen is pretty ordinary.