Couple ask people to vote for whether they should abort their baby or not

[Kimberlyd125]

Right, and if you are going to abort, why wait until 2 days before the cut off that makes it legal/illegal.

I would never do it (not trying to get into pro-life/pro-choice debate, but had to say that before I say this), but I mean, wouldn't you want to do it as soon as possible, for the baby's sake.
It's illegal after 20 weeks for a reason. 19 weeks and 5 days is not that much better than 20 weeks.

These people are making me nuts.
I can not wrap my head around this.

 

[OrdinaryLife]

My first miscarriage was at 20 weeks. It disgusts me to believe anyone, especially that far along in a pregnancy, would actually consider termination. I went through labor, delivery, and a beautifully formed wee infant. Broke my heart that she couldn't be in this world. Natures choice, not mine.

Perhaps I should make a poll as to if I should take this child and if this little one would be happy in New England....

 

[impatientredhead]

Right, and if you are going to abort, why wait until 2 days before the cut off that makes it legal/illegal.

I would never do it (not trying to get into pro-life/pro-choice debate, but had to say that before I say this), but I mean, wouldn't you want to do it as soon as possible, for the baby's sake.
It's illegal after 20 weeks for a reason. 19 weeks and 5 days is not that much better than 20 weeks.

These people are making me nuts.
I can not wrap my head around this.

I can't imagine waiting any longer than you had to.
Many decades ago when I had just turned 18 I became pregnant.
I was living with my mentally ill, drug addicted, physcially abusive alcoholic mother, her child molesting boyfriend, and had a scholarship to college that I was counting the days to bail out of the house (where I would never return once I got out).

But I stupidly ended up pregnant and as soon as I found out I was my mother started in hard and heavy about how I should have the baby and give it to her and her boyfriend to raise (I would have shot myself in the head first). I did schedule an appt for an abortion as soon as I found out. They said I had to wait a couple of weeks because it was too early and it made the procedure more complicated.

As it turned out I also had mono during this period and was extremely ill but was not dxed properly because all the medical staff saw was a knocked up teenager with no insurance and told me I had morning sickness to go home. My spleen ended up rupturing from the mono and I almost died, miscarried in the process. So while I never had to deal with the emotional process of having an abortion I did go through the decision making process and cannot imagine not having the option to make that choice and cannot imagine asking people to vote on it and cannot imagine waiting a day longer than they would have made me.

I cannot wrap my brain around the idea that they are serious and not just attention seekers (Which doesn't bode well for their parenting skills, but hopefully they will be one of the ones that snap out of it when the baby is born and grow up themselves).

I am sorry for all the people that are upset by these types of displays. It is a painful topic for so many.

 

[tlcya]

Hugs all round to our members. Those who wish for a child, those who have lost a child, and to those who have made that dificult decision to seek abortion.

AS you say impatientredhead, this is such a painful topic not just for us as a nation, but for us as individuals.

It really sucks that these idiots are doing this and reopening what can be such a volitatile public debate.

So glad that here, despite our many varied views on the rightness or wrongness of abortion, we can all be respectful and loving of one another.

 

[mommy23]

I am also pro life.... However I have a few dear friends that have had abortions. Do I agree with their decision? NO, Is it my place to judge? NO. However we all stand on the fence of this life long debate, I agree, it should be a private decision NO MATTER WHAT! And the only people that can really decided on the issue is the 2 people involved. I didn't even realize you could have one after 12 weeks, I thought that was the cutoff, but maybe it just varies by state.

This is just heartbreaking, I agree with the above, if the baby lives, what are they going to think of their parents? I'm sure many many parents today consider abortion early on in their pregnancies if it is a hard time in their lives. However, when they choose to keep and love their babies, that baby will usually never know about it, and thats for the better. This poor child will know, and probably have a few emotional issues because of it.

I am one of those people that would take every unwanted baby in the world into my house with loving arms, and it just sickens me that people will make someones life into a internet game.

 

[animlzrule]

Abortion-by-Vote Probably a Hoax:

http://gawker.com/5694432/abortion+by+vote-probably-a-pro+life-stunt

 

[Nova]

Everything is so public these days...we as a society in general have lost our ability to filter what should be public vs. private.

I don't know what the point of what they are doing actually is - but I personally am 100% unabashedly pro-life, and anti-abortion, and I see it in black and white.

A. It's a baby at conception, and life has an intrinsic value to it.
OR
B. It's a blob and there is no value until it's born and becomes valuable with the first breath.

I don't mired down by the what ifs, and what abouts. Life is either valuable or it's not.

So to me personally, when I see something like this and the outrage, I don't understand it. What makes it less heinous if it's kept a private decision vs. being touted on the internet?

If it *is* a real thing, then I hope the public opinion of keeping the baby convinces them.

If it's a publicity campaign, I have to wonder why there is so much disdain and outrage, for something that is fought so hard to keep a "right".

(and for the record for this thread...This Charlie, is a single mommy who understands very clearly the whisper of "no one has to know" and I walk my talk. I'm not saying every circumstance is the same...but I absolutely stand firm in my opinion that every innocent life matters, is valuable and worth having a chance at living.)

Just because people believe something should be legal doesn't mean they think it is a trivial matter. Marriage, for example, is legal for any man and woman, but most people believe (at least in theory) that it remains a serious matter with moral and practical considerations and consequences.

I haven't taken a poll, but I think you'll find the vast majority of people who are pro-choice are so because (a) they believe a woman's body belongs to her alone, not to a voting public; and, just as importantly, (b) they believe the decision to bring a child into the world is the most important decision a person can make and not to be taken lightly. Internet stunts don't really fit that bill.

 

[JLMcKenna83]

These people should be 100% ashamed of themselves.

There are thousands of women who struggle with this decision every single day. And continue to struggle with the consequences of this decision everyday for the rest of their lives. It weighs heavily on their mind, body, and soul. And here these two are, making a public opinion poll about whether to kill an unborn child only to further their own half @$$ed attempt at making a political stand?!? Even going as far to post pictures and give the fetus a nickname... SICK!! PATHETIC!!

While I firmly believe in a woman's right to choose, I do not believe that right should be mocked in any way, shape, or form. I also believe that anyone who chooses to mock this right can never ever say that they are for women's rights no matter what their gender is. It is a sad sad day in America when someone stoops this low.

 

[Charlie09]

Just because people believe something should be legal doesn't mean they think it is a trivial matter. Marriage, for example, is legal for any man and woman, but most people believe (at least in theory) that it remains a serious matter with moral and practical considerations and consequences.

I haven't taken a poll, but I think you'll find the vast majority of people who are pro-choice are so because (a) they believe a woman's body belongs to her alone, not to a voting public; and, just as importantly, (b) they believe the decision to bring a child into the world is the most important decision a person can make and not to be taken lightly. Internet stunts don't really fit that bill.

Which skirts around the issue I was saying, (And I never indicated it was trivial.)

Why shouldn't it be a group decision? People ask health related questions all the time on public forums. You look through this forum, and you see questions about private family concerns, or neighbor concerns, or asking for good thoughts, prayers, vibes, whatever. People get to choose to give input on various subjects. Why is this one subject taboo to group discussion or input?

This one just happened to make the headlines.

 

[OrdinaryLife]

Which skirts around the issue I was saying, (And I never indicated it was trivial.)

Why shouldn't it be a group decision? People ask health related questions all the time on public forums. You look through this forum, and you see questions about private family concerns, or neighbor concerns, or asking for good thoughts, prayers, vibes, whatever. People get to choose to give input on various subjects. Why is this one subject taboo to group discussion or input?

This one just happened to make the headlines.

I strongly disagree, with great respect, to your opinion. Whether this is a hoax or not, to place a poll out there regarding terminating a pregnancy is simply wrong, wrong, wrong. This is not the typical conversation needed for support that many share here or anywhere else. If this couple are questioning whether to continue or terminate, get a therapist or talk to some professional. I don't see this a a taboo subject, but one that strokes the mind of ethics and human morals regarding an extremely personal choice. To make it a "game", especially this far along in pregnancy, is beyond my comprehension. To use the publics opinion disturbs me even further.

For me, it's the big picture surrounding this and not just about abortion.

imvho

 

[drip~drop]

it is National Adoption month & this saturday 11.20.2010 is National Adoption day.

I never knew....................
I'm an adoptee.

 

[Charlie09]

I strongly disagree, with great respect, to your opinion. Whether this is a hoax or not, to place a poll out there regarding terminating a pregnancy is simply wrong, wrong, wrong. This is not the typical conversation needed for support that many share here or anywhere else. If this couple are questioning whether to continue or terminate, get a therapist or talk to some professional. I don't see this a a taboo subject, but one that strokes the mind of ethics and human morals regarding an extremely personal choice. To make it a "game", especially this far along in pregnancy, is beyond my comprehension. To use the publics opinion disturbs me even further.

For me, it's the big picture surrounding this and not just about abortion.

imvho

Everyone obviously has very deep feelings about this subject. I think part of it is because deep down it's because very few are truly comfortable with abortion.

I don't look at it as a game. I truly find this conversation fascinating - if people were in their heart of hearts comfortable with the terminating of a pregnancy, it would be a non-issue.

(In my not very humble opinion....but I truly get there are others out there.)

 

[JBean]

I have some thoughts about this.
Does it not seem odd to anyone that she suffered 2 previous miscarriages,yet finds herself pregnant yet again and is considering abortion?
Either the previous 2 miscarriages had no effect on her and she does not consider birth control necessary, or this whole thing doesn't add up. I respect a decision to not have children, but
one pregnancy then 2 pregnancies and then a third pregnancy within a year and they don't want to be pregnant?
This does not make sense
at
all.

 

[OrdinaryLife]

Everyone obviously has very deep feelings about this subject. I think part of it is because deep down it's because very few are truly comfortable with abortion.

I don't look at it as a game. I truly find this conversation fascinating - if people were in their heart of hearts comfortable with the terminating of a pregnancy, it would be a non-issue.

(In my not very humble opinion....but I truly get there are others out there.)

When I stated the word, "game", I was referring to this couple and the poll stunt they're pulling. Not the conversations that are being shared here at this forum. Just wanted to make that clear.

 

[OrdinaryLife]

I have some thoughts about this.
Does it not seem odd to anyone that she suffered 2 previous miscarriages,yet finds herself pregnant yet again and is considering abortion?
Either the previous 2 miscarriages had no effect on her and she does not consider birth control necessary, or this whole thing doesn't add up. I respect a decision to not have children, but
one pregnancy then 2 pregnancies and then a third pregnancy within a year and they don't want to be pregnant?
This does not make sense
at
all.

A form of Munchausen Syndrome comes to my mind.....

 

[JBean]

A form of Munchausen Syndrome comes to my mind.....

Good grief, perhaps.
the way i see it, if the 2 miscarriages caused them grief, then clearly they care about the unborn child and the decision to abort would not be logical. I mean 3 pregnancies in a year "sounds" like people that are actually trying to conceive. Most are moved by miscarriages, especially 2 so close together.
or
the miscarriages had no real affect on them(which is their business no judgement there) and they took no precautions to avoid pregnancy and use miscarriage and abortion as a more efficient method of birth control and are comfortable with using abortion this way.

I am not even drawing a judgment here, I am just trying to find the logic going on here.

 

[OrdinaryLife]

Good grief, perhaps.
the way i see it, if the 2 miscarriages caused them grief, then clearly they care about the unborn child and the decision to abort would not be logical. I mean 3 pregnancies in a year "sounds" like people that are actually trying to conceive. Most are moved by miscarriages, especially 2 so close together.
or
the miscarriages had no real affect on them(which is their business no judgement there) and they took no precautions to avoid pregnancy and use miscarriage and abortion as a more efficient method of birth control and are comfortable with using abortion this way.

I am not even drawing a judgment here, I am just trying to find the logic going on here.

Speaking only for myself, I can say that after going through a few miscarriages, the physical/emotional effects were acute. Any "normal" woman who has had gone through this, regardless if pregnancy was planned or not, is not ever interested in returning to that particular pain. It's devastating.

2 miscarriages and now a third under consideration for termination makes absolutley no sense to me. I would never pass judgement to those who choose to terminate a pregnancy (I should state I do have very strong "timing issues"), but this has all the markings of attention seekers using an innocent for their "cause". Disgusting. It honestly makes me ill.....

 

[Nova]

Which skirts around the issue I was saying, (And I never indicated it was trivial.)

Why shouldn't it be a group decision? People ask health related questions all the time on public forums. You look through this forum, and you see questions about private family concerns, or neighbor concerns, or asking for good thoughts, prayers, vibes, whatever. People get to choose to give input on various subjects. Why is this one subject taboo to group discussion or input?

This one just happened to make the headlines.

Because the group doesn't have the information necessary to give informed opinions. Because the most important factor in deciding to have a child should be the willingness of a couple to care for that child for 18+ years. Internet voters cannot know that.

I'm sure you can see the difference between a poll of strangers and soliciting the opinions of trusted advisors. Nobody is saying a couple should never do the latter.

But since you brought it up, yeah, I'd be leery of a couple who asked for abortion advice here at WS. (But, to be fair, sometimes people turn to relative strangers when they have no one else.)

 

[Nova]

Everyone obviously has very deep feelings about this subject. I think part of it is because deep down it's because very few are truly comfortable with abortion.

I don't look at it as a game. I truly find this conversation fascinating - if people were in their heart of hearts comfortable with the terminating of a pregnancy, it would be a non-issue.

(In my not very humble opinion....but I truly get there are others out there.)

(Emphasis added.) I'm glad you recognize that. I get really tired of anti-choice people insisting that the rest of us take abortion casually. Outside of a few women who foolishly use abortion as their primary form of birth control (and I suspect those women have other problems), NOBODY takes abortion casually.

But that doesn't mean it isn't the right thing to do for some women.

 

[Soulmagent]

I think we should take her interent service away.

Can we vote on that? This is a stunt she works every angle she can think up into the bio, all to inspire outrage which has worked nicely.
She shows she feels
1 people having abortions are selfish
2 irresponsible
3. heartless

I went to the birth or nots site and it is filled with clues that it is a complete scam from prolife people . She is going to weekly appointments and not working because the doctor hasnt released her to work. huh ?? High risk? I didnt have weekly appointments for children I have. Why would she for one she hasnt even decided about? Oh right more sono pictures.
Reading more I found where they have decided the reason more people have vote for them to abort is because they were linked to some site showing nude woman.

I guess that the vote is not what they expected. With most people not agreeing with abortions after 12 weeks.
Also this statement was on the site

"You can vote and choose whether we abort or keep our unborn child. For the first time, your vote on the topic of abortion can make a difference.''

What is she really saying?
umm.. arent we already pro choice?? I dont want her to let me make her choices , I just want to make my own .

I decided to stop reading after I decided this woman does not intend to abort a baby . If she is even pregnant. I do suspect high risk due to age and weight so that might explain her emotional detachment.