Couple ask people to vote for whether they should abort their baby or not

[Charlie09]

(Emphasis added.) I'm glad you recognize that. I get really tired of anti-choice people insisting that the rest of us take abortion casually. Outside of a few women who foolishly use abortion as their primary form of birth control (and I suspect those women have other problems), NOBODY takes abortion casually.

But that doesn't mean it isn't the right thing to do for some women.

Why the politically correct Anti-Choice Nova? Why not the appropriate "Pro-Life"?

And while I will keep the rest of my response non-personal. If one is not faced with the decision of bringing a child to term or not, it is automatically a more casual opinion than having to have the abortion or the child.

 

[MistyM]

there is no way they are going to abort even if the polls said to. they are just trying to get attention or their proverbial 'fifteen minutes' of fame.

i guess they think they are making people aware or some other 'brilliant' idea that they've cooked up.

 

[txsvicki]

I didn't go to that site and don't intend to. Is there supposedly something wrong with the baby or is it just the parents? I won't say what I originally was going to about the parents , but think the whole thing is a hoax. If by some chance it's not, I hope they adopt the baby out. Anyone who would do this sort of thing online is not right in the head.

 

[Trino]

Take a deep breath. The idea is most likely a hoax. The husband is a pro-lifer.

http://www.startribune.com/local/south/109336629.html

 

[Nova]

Why the politically correct Anti-Choice Nova? Why not the appropriate "Pro-Life"?

And while I will keep the rest of my response non-personal. If one is not faced with the decision of bringing a child to term or not, it is automatically a more casual opinion than having to have the abortion or the child.

Because "pro-life" is political correctness. You and I both know that nomenclature was deliberately chosen as a political tactic. I've decided not to let people with whom I disagree control my language, no more than I'm going to call a single, fertilized cell a "baby."

"Anti-choice" is more accurate from my perspective. And why would anyone object to it? As the rest of your post makes clear, you believe the lack of choice is a benefit.

 

[animlzrule]

Because "pro-life" is political correctness. You and I both know that nomenclature was deliberately chosen as a political tactic. I've decided not to let people with whom I disagree control my language, no more than I'm going to call a single, fertilized cell a "baby."

"Anti-choice" is more accurate from my perspective. And why would anyone object to it? As the rest of your post makes clear, you believe the lack of choice is a benefit.

I agree completely Nova. I've always used "anti-choice" as a more accurate description. I don't know anyone that believes in their right to choose who is not also "pro-life". I just believe that life encompasses a lot more than a pregnancy resulting in a live birth. There are circumstances of conception, circumstances of safety, stability and finance and I could go on and on. Sadly, there are many unwanted, neglected children leading miserable lives out there because not enough consideration was given to actually being able to provide that child with an actual LIFE. I don't mean to veer off of the topic but I'm glad you responded Nova.

 

[Charlie09]

Because "pro-life" is political correctness. You and I both know that nomenclature was deliberately chosen as a political tactic. I've decided not to let people with whom I disagree control my language, no more than I'm going to call a single, fertilized cell a "baby."

"Anti-choice" is more accurate from my perspective. And why would anyone object to it? As the rest of your post makes clear, you believe the lack of choice is a benefit.

That's absolutely an incorrect assumption. I believe there are choices on becoming pregnant or not - and I believe there are choices besides abortion if one doesn't want to be a mother.


How funny that you won't let people with whom you disagree control your language, but on other subjects I believe you wouldn't give the same grace.
I guess I could refer to pro-abortion as pro-death going forward. After all, it's my perspective right?

 

[Charlie09]

I agree completely Nova. I've always used "anti-choice" as a more accurate description. I don't know anyone that believes in their right to choose who is not also "pro-life". I just believe that life encompasses a lot more than a pregnancy resulting in a live birth. There are circumstances of conception, circumstances of safety, stability and finance and I could go on and on. Sadly, there are many unwanted, neglected children leading miserable lives out there because not enough consideration was given to actually being able to provide that child with an actual LIFE. I don't mean to veer off of the topic but I'm glad you responded Nova.

Would you prefer to be known as "anti-life"???

 

[Soulmagent]

Would you prefer to be known as "anti-life"???

I thought Anti-choice was a good way to describe the platform. Anti -life would imply there was a platform that forced abortions.


Anti- life only covers one aspect of the issue. The pro choice people tend to veiw the issue that other people should not have a say in peoples choices and that they be allowed to make there own choices. They dont really push abortions or encourage them.

ETA.
I also think they should be provided Free or lowcost as part of the Family planning services. Crazy huh?



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[Charlie09]

I thought Anti-choice was a good way to describe the platform. Anti -life would imply there was a platform that forced abortions.


Anti- life only covers one aspect of the issue. The pro choice people tend to veiw the issue that other people should not have a say in peoples choices and that they be allowed to make there own choices. They dont really push abortions or encourage them.

ETA.
I also think they should be provided Free or lowcost as part of the Family planning services. Crazy huh?



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I'm sure there is a thread someone on all of this...pro-life means the baby as well as the mother's life is important and should be considered.

I don't even mind being called Anti-abortion I am.
I do mind being called Anti-Choice - there are several options besides abortion. Not all of them are convenient, and some take personal responsibility, but there are in fact other options.

 

[Soulmagent]

I'm sure there is a thread someone on all of this...pro-life means the baby as well as the mother's life is important and should be considered.

I don't even mind being called Anti-abortion I am.
I do mind being called Anti-Choice - there are several options besides abortion. Not all of them are convenient, and some take personal responsibility, but there are in fact other options.

I understand your point. I also understand it as there is No choice not to give birth. Other choices sure but not that one maybe your right and it doesnt quiet fit.

Back on topic. This woman is mocking the people who believe the goverment should have no say in whatever choice we make concerning the issue.
She is trying to show that it is stupid for people to vote on the life of a fetus in the most extreme way. Posting the sonogram pictures and waiting the longest time period she could before the vote is up.

Why doesnt she just prolife quietly to her self? Because she is Anti -that- choice.

That said I think so far this vote thing has backfired for her she is 100,000 votes away from her IMO intended responce.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I'm sure there is a thread someone on all of this...pro-life means the baby as well as the mother's life is important and should be considered.

I don't even mind being called Anti-abortion I am.
I do mind being called Anti-Choice - there are several options besides abortion. Not all of them are convenient, and some take personal responsibility, but there are in fact other options.

I'm gonna say this and then I am gonna be done with this. :smile:
I just have to say it.

Anti-Choice is BS talk IMO.
So if you say Pro-Life is Anti-Choice you can also say Pro-Choice is Anti-Choice. Because, there is a living baby who doesn't have a choice.
JMO

Pro-Choicers think that it's all about a woman's right to what she does to HER body. OK
But IMO after you have a BABY's body inside your body, you are making a choice for not only your body but your baby's body as well.

That's why I'm Pro-Life.

JMO

 

[impatientredhead]

I'm gonna say this and then I am gonna be done with this. :smile:
I just have to say it.

Anti-Choice is BS talk IMO.
So if you say Pro-Life is Anti-Choice you can also say Pro-Choice is Anti-Choice. Because, there is a living baby who doesn't have a choice.
JMO

Pro-Choicers think that it's all about a woman's right to what she does to HER body. OK
But IMO after you have a BABY's body inside your body, you are making a choice for not only your body but your baby's body as well.

That's why I'm Pro-Life.

JMO

And I support your choice to never ever have an abortion.

 

[not_my_kids]

This is the one aspect of the abortion debate that I just do not understand. I am not attempting to insult anyone else's beliefs, as I do believe that it is deeply personal, no matter what we feel on abortion.

Question: Why do those that are against abortion make such a big deal out of the parent(s) making the choice to terminate pregnancy, with the most common argument being that it isn't really pro-choice because the baby has no choice? That child would have no real choice in anything for 18 years if it were born, correct? The parents would make those choices as to clothing, schools, friends, and social activities.

I do respect those that decide to never have an abortion, and I would never have one. That is my personal choice, and it is selfish, I admit it. I would not choose abortion because I couldn't deal with myself afterward. I would feel guilty and God forbid my family found out, since they would just give me more guilt. So, my choice to be pro choice but not have an abortion myself is based on motives that are just as selfish as some of the perceived reasons that people have abortions. That realization of my own selfishness, in turn, has made me more pro-choice.

I think that what we can learn from this (since it seems to be a hoax) is that a social experiment conducted through social media is not likely to turn out the way we expect. It seems that this couple was treating this as an experiment, and the most dangerous thing you can do with an experiment is go into it thinking that you know how it will end. These people seemed to want attention, which they got, and I think that they thought they would be able to change the minds of some pro choicers as they fell in love with their fetus in the public eye...but then 4chan got involved, and tipped the balance.

 

[Charlie09]

This is the one aspect of the abortion debate that I just do not understand. I am not attempting to insult anyone else's beliefs, as I do believe that it is deeply personal, no matter what we feel on abortion.

Question: Why do those that are against abortion make such a big deal out of the parent(s) making the choice to terminate pregnancy, with the most common argument being that it isn't really pro-choice because the baby has no choice? That child would have no real choice in anything for 18 years if it were born, correct? The parents would make those choices as to clothing, schools, friends, and social activities.

I do respect those that decide to never have an abortion, and I would never have one. That is my personal choice, and it is selfish, I admit it. I would not choose abortion because I couldn't deal with myself afterward. I would feel guilty and God forbid my family found out, since they would just give me more guilt. So, my choice to be pro choice but not have an abortion myself is based on motives that are just as selfish as some of the perceived reasons that people have abortions. That realization of my own selfishness, in turn, has made me more pro-choice.

I think that what we can learn from this (since it seems to be a hoax) is that a social experiment conducted through social media is not likely to turn out the way we expect. It seems that this couple was treating this as an experiment, and the most dangerous thing you can do with an experiment is go into it thinking that you know how it will end. These people seemed to want attention, which they got, and I think that they thought they would be able to change the minds of some pro choicers as they fell in love with their fetus in the public eye...but then 4chan got involved, and tipped the balance.

why do we care that some stranger's child is missing? or that anyone else is killed? or that Shaniya Davis' mother sold her? Does it impact us personally, or impact us as a society? Those of us who are pro-life believe abortion on demand impacts our society as a whole.

 

[impatientredhead]

I think most pro-life and pro-choice people share the same desire to see the number of abortions decreased. No one is Pro-Abortion and thinks it should be celebrated, encouraged, and increased in its use.

I really think if we all took the collective energy that goes into debating whether it should be legal/available and invested that energy in helping reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies and making the option of adoption more appealing, easier to access, and more applauded it would only benefit society as a whole.

There is an area in between making abortion unavailable and using it as an acceptable form of birth control. Actually working together on the middle ground suits both sides interest. Keeps the option available for those who do feel they need that option, and provides better option of protection for the unborn children that people want to protect. Seems more pragmatic to me than debating right and wrong in black and white views.

But I do respect everyone's opinion on the topic no matter how extreme they are to either side, and don't pretend to understand the life history that has led you to those positions.

 

[uvamerica]

:banghead: who ever these 2 pple are, they need their heads examined.. I believe they are 2 publicity hounds(anything for attention) I hope this baby is born and then directly given to a loving family. These 2 should be sterilized pronto! Because in my mind they are 2:loser::loser:

 

[Nova]

That's absolutely an incorrect assumption. I believe there are choices on becoming pregnant or not - and I believe there are choices besides abortion if one doesn't want to be a mother.


How funny that you won't let people with whom you disagree control your language, but on other subjects I believe you wouldn't give the same grace.
I guess I could refer to pro-abortion as pro-death going forward. After all, it's my perspective right?

You could. I notice you already choose "pro-abortion" rather than "pro-choice."

So why are you quarreling with my use of language?

(Point taken re people having choices not to become pregnant in the first place. I'm sure we can all agree that is preferable.)

 

[Cubby]

This is an anti-abortion publicity stunt, imho.

BBM


I have to agree. Especially when a couple who can't trust themselves to use birth control are asking strangers to make a choice and complaining about trusting their child to a stranger, Ya right.....
IF adoption was a 3rd choice offered I'd be more inclined to believe it.

JMO, there are never only two choices as the pro lifers or pro choicers wish to make the debate...There are four. Third and fourth being the choice to engage in sexual activity and the choice for adoption.

More propaganda jmo

 

[Kimberlyd125]

This is the one aspect of the abortion debate that I just do not understand. I am not attempting to insult anyone else's beliefs, as I do believe that it is deeply personal, no matter what we feel on abortion.

Question: Why do those that are against abortion make such a big deal out of the parent(s) making the choice to terminate pregnancy, with the most common argument being that it isn't really pro-choice because the baby has no choice? That child would have no real choice in anything for 18 years if it were born, correct? The parents would make those choices as to clothing, schools, friends, and social activities.

I do respect those that decide to never have an abortion, and I would never have one. That is my personal choice, and it is selfish, I admit it. I would not choose abortion because I couldn't deal with myself afterward. I would feel guilty and God forbid my family found out, since they would just give me more guilt. So, my choice to be pro choice but not have an abortion myself is based on motives that are just as selfish as some of the perceived reasons that people have abortions. That realization of my own selfishness, in turn, has made me more pro-choice.

I think that what we can learn from this (since it seems to be a hoax) is that a social experiment conducted through social media is not likely to turn out the way we expect. It seems that this couple was treating this as an experiment, and the most dangerous thing you can do with an experiment is go into it thinking that you know how it will end. These people seemed to want attention, which they got, and I think that they thought they would be able to change the minds of some pro choicers as they fell in love with their fetus in the public eye...but then 4chan got involved, and tipped the balance.

My honest answer to your question would be...
Life and the other things you listed are apples and oranges.
So, in your argument, is it ok to "choose" to kill a baby after it is born?
To me, it's the same.

To me, and IMO, a baby is a baby from conception.

When someone has sex and gets pregnant, thier body is not only their body for the next 9 months.

But, that's just my opinion. Not trying to offend anybody. Just wanted to answer your question as honestly as I could.