CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, deceased/not found, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #62

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I’m still catching up on an other 1.5 hrs or so from when I had to leave for work call so I’m sure you are correct!

I’m stunned watching this. Guy is simply not prepared. But it’s the ongoing being schooled by the Judge that has my jaw dropping. The things he is being schooled on are all quite basic too and that makes it even more stunning.

No words.
MOO
Checking back on my OP after getting caught up with a a bit of reflection…..

Sadly I will never get those nearly 2 hrs back as imo it was a show put on by D list actor who didn’t even pretend to prepare and was baiting the State and the Judge by not following the rules imo.

IMO its a dangerous situation to put the court in as both the State and Judge have to now very actively force Defence Counsel to behave in a way that is in compliance with the rules of the Court and evidence as he is choosing to disregard them all imo. Judge R tried yesterday but Defence Counsel was even ignoring the Judges admonishments which was stunning to see.

Defence Counsel knew PG couldn’t be touched due to the immunity agreement except through perjury and so he proceeded to bait him and trick him and lie to him for hours and hours to get an error. PG was masterfully prepared and did brilliantly under a full frontal but poorly prepared attack that was delivered in a slip shod way imo as it didn’t comply with court rules.

Defence has the right of cross examination but my issue with Defence Counsel and the Court is simply his not following rules. You can do brilliant work for your client by following the rules and then there is what we all witnessed yesterday.

It was sad to watch and I felt badly for PG having to endure his final torment at the hands of MT and Defence Counsel. I think the fact that MT and Defence Counsel together ganged up on PG to take back the bike MT admitted to selling told me everything I needed to know about Defence Counsel and confirmed what all now know about MT as being the, “queen of lying about lies”! I consider both these individuals dangerous as both will do an say anything to get what they want as they simply have no integrity. None.

Yesterday after watching that performance from Defence Counsel I do think that it got to the point where he was actually baiting the Judge. Sadly I think it was all intentional as I think he is just trying for mistrial at this point and making objections for the record for the appeal.

Firstly, he spoke improperly at same time as Atty McGuinnis, then next he spoke over Judge, then he improperly interrupted the Judge and then he disregarded Judges admonishment and continued with the question he had been told to abandon as he was beating a dead horse or I think Judge said “plowed the field”…. And this continued to happen through the rest of the afternoon with just a few objections by the state.

All imo disrespectful to all parties involved as well as to the Court but also against so many rules of conduct. I find this disturbing.

As I’ve said before I think there is no ethical or moral boundary that any of us know here that this particular practitioner would not cross and ditto for his client. This is dangerous to our justice system and dangerous for this case imo too!

It’s gross and disgusting behaviour to watch but it’s happening and the State and the Judge need to be super careful to avoid a mistrial. It’s behaviour from a so called licensed professional imo you would perhaps see in a country without a well developed legal system but sadly we are seeing it live here in CT, Fairfield County.

What I find unfortunate about the entire situation in Court is that choices in how to defend a client always exist. Defence counsel doesn’t have much to work with to defend MT but a professional defence is certainly possible. Sadly, the choice on how to defend MT by Defence Counsel is taking us all down a very dark and slimy path where no respect exists from Defence Counsel either for the process of justice or the Court of which he is supposed to be an Officer of the Court.

Imo make no mistake that attorney Jon Schoenhorn is without scruples and without integrity and imo this makes him dangerous to the process of justice.

IMO Everything being seen is deliberate and with precise intention and I am outraged that it is being allowed.

MOO
 
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I try to capture the gist of the testimony and something of the tenor, but I'm telling you -- trying to follow JS is a workout. Professor Hinkle. He is just all over the place. Disjointed. Addresses witnesses with raw disdain. Every whiny objection results in delay as the Judge has to try to make sense of it for JS. Considering he's had years to prepare, he's taken Defense 101 to new lows.

If you have the facts on your side, pound the facts. If you have the law on your side, pound the law. If you have neither facts nor the law, pound the table.

And I guess if that doesn't work, shuffle papers and pretend they matter.

JMwearyOpinion
Kudos for keeping up.

The machine gun fire from defence got so bad I slowed it down to 75% speed for a bit to evaluate what was being said. And it truly was throwing spaghetti yesterday and at high speed to just get one trip up or one angry exchange from PG.

Kudos for your work attempting to document this!

Kudos to PG for making it through with integrity as he imo showed precisely what MT and Defence Counsel absolutely lack and that is personal integrity.

There were so many unacceptable things said by Defence Counsel yesterday that bothered me on behalf of PG and the Court but I think it was the feeble attempts to set PG up first as an illegal immigrant and migrant grifter and then as an unemployment insurance scammer when he filed for insurance after FD wasn’t in the office following JF murder and FORE was no longer operating for all intents and purposes. This followed on Defence Counsels feeble race baiting about Albany Ave last week. All shameful stuff to pander to the Jury. Disgusting.

Imo PG entered the US with his family and worked hard for many years to give them a better life and he did it with integrity within an immigration system that is dysfunctional on a good day imo. For Defence to imply otherwise is simply to disregard the work history of PG and his focus on providing for his family.

The other thing that Defence chose to ignore is that FORE had no revenue and this was discussed extensively in civil trial. Sturbridge in NC was done and PG knew there was nothing going on. So, filing for unemployment made sense as FORE was done in all but name imo and FD was MIA!

Once the houses were built (I speculate as part of a grift by FD to get last of Farber money outside the US), nothing else was left except high taxes and maintenance costs that I believe FD simply didn’t have enough cash in US to pay. If those that recall from ages ago, FD we thought ran out of cash to pay Pattis and so there was the questionable Greek atty from NY who facilitated paying Pattis using funds from Greece.

The source of these funds was never made clear but was it Toots the crooked Greek friend or Rena the crooked Greek sister or FD himself bringing back funds stolen from the Farbers? We never found out.

What fascinates me about this sad case is that with all the planning FD and MT did they never really planned on getting caught and needing a lot of money quickly. Perhaps FD thought the houses would sell and they would live on the proceeds? Idk, But I don't fully believe this as the houses were inappropriate for the market in Farmington and at that time the market in NC was quite soft and they were heavily mortgaged so proceeds certainly wouldn’t give them the life they had been grifting at 4Jx.

What also is interesting is that MT lied about working for FORE in her interview with LE. Why? Atty bowman long ago got her out of the Civil trial and before that she took the 5th for every question in her civil trial deposition. MT I believe had deep knowledge of FORE and the games being played by FD and the illegal financial games going on too. I don’t think MT would have hung around FD for as long as she did unless she knew the money for her lifestyle existed somewhere, possibly Greece or Argentina imo. Her deep knowledge of FORE also gives lie to her defence maneuver that she was duped by FD. I believe MT was counting the FD pennies more closely than FD and knew everything that was going on.

The one thing she didn’t see was that the liquidity issue with FD was more severe than she thought and so he needed Anna Curry and her cash more than he needed MT and her $1500 motorbike as that seemed to be the only asset she might have owned after grifting at 4Jx with FD for years.

I mean who can forget MT moaning in the LE interviews about not having a car or roof over her head and having to stay in a motel. Not much job security in being a mistress I guess but I would have loved to see her strap on her helmet and drive to her attorney meetings on the motor bike she stole from PG!

MOO
 
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Checking back on my OP after getting caught up with a a bit of reflection…..

Sadly I will never get those nearly 2 hrs back as imo it was a show put on by D list actor who didn’t even pretend to prepare and was baiting the State and the Judge by not following the rules imo.

IMO its a dangerous situation to put the court in as both the State and Judge have to now very actively force Defence Counsel to behave in a way that is in compliance with the rules of the Court and evidence as he is choosing to disregard them all imo. Judge R tried yesterday but Defence Counsel was even ignoring the Judges admonishments which was stunning to see.

Defence Counsel knew PG couldn’t be touched due to the immunity agreement except through perjury and so he proceeded to bait him and trick him and lie to him for hours and hours to get an error. PG was masterfully prepared and did brilliantly under a full frontal but poorly prepared attack that was delivered in a slip shod way imo as it didn’t comply with court rules.

Defence has the right of cross examination but my issue with Defence Counsel and the Court is simply his not following rules. You can do brilliant work for your client by following the rules and then there is what we all witnessed yesterday.

It was sad to watch and I felt badly for PG having to endure his final torment at the hands of MT and Defence Counsel. I think the fact that MT and Defence Counsel together ganged up on PG to take back the bike MT admitted to selling told me everything I needed to know about Defence Counsel and confirmed what all now know about MT as being the, “queen of lying about lies”! I consider both these individuals dangerous as both will do an say anything to get what they want as they simply have no integrity. None.

Yesterday after watching that performance from Defence Counsel I do think that it got to the point where he was actually baiting the Judge. Sadly I think it was all intentional as I think he is just trying for mistrial at this point and making objections for the record for the appeal.

Firstly, he spoke improperly at same time as Atty McGuinnis, then next he spoke over Judge, then he improperly interrupted the Judge and then he disregarded Judges admonishment and continued with the question he had been told to abandon as he was beating a dead horse or I think Judge said “plowed the field”…. And this continued to happen through the rest of the afternoon with just a few objections by the state.

All imo disrespectful to all parties involved as well as to the Court but also against so many rules of conduct. I find this disturbing.

As I’ve said before I think there is no ethical or moral boundary that any of us know here that this particular practitioner would not cross and ditto for his client. This is dangerous to our justice system and dangerous for this case imo too!

It’s gross and disgusting behaviour to watch but it’s happening and the State and the Judge need to be super careful to avoid a mistrial. It’s behaviour from a so called licensed professional imo you would perhaps see in a country without a well developed legal system but sadly we are seeing it live here in CT, Fairfield County.

What I find unfortunate about the entire situation in Court is that choices in how to defend a client always exist. Defence counsel doesn’t have much to work with to defend MT but a professional defence is certainly possible. Sadly, the choice on how to defend MT by Defence Counsel is taking us all down a very dark and slimy path where no respect exists from Defence Counsel either for the process of justice or the Court of which he is supposed to be an Officer of the Court.

Imo make no mistake that attorney Jon Schoenhorn is without scruples and without integrity and imo this makes him dangerous to the process of justice.

IMO Everything being seen is deliberate and with precise intention and I am outraged that it is being allowed.

MOO
His attempt to backdoor his own signed stipulation -- that tells us everything we need to know.

Stiff arming Farmington PD in an attempt to intimidate PG -- witness tampering much?

And the attempts to impeach -- with so- called "evidence" he couldn't produce?

And as you say, arguing with the Judge, over-talking him, and then ignoring his instruction altogether -- is egregious.

We sure got a taste for the defendant yesterday. 1. This is her counsel. Matched set of underhandedness. 2. Her sense of entitlement. She wanted JFd out of her way. 3. She's a liar and a cheat.

I have two questions.

1. What was the defendant doing while FD took PG on an unnecessary walk to look at grass?

And

2. When she left 80 MS (supposedly with the key), what was she up to?

She told on herself when she concocted the sexy time bit up against the Tacoma. That never happened of course but they were actively hiding something IMO.

They failed to remove the pail of cleaning supplies. (Interesting to note that it survived the journey from Welles from where it likely came to MS. How many vehicles did it ride in to get there?)

I smell another fail on the part of the defendant. "You had ONE job." What did they need to remove from the Tacoma and get it the hell out of sight fast?

The key is the red herring. I believe FD had it all along. This is another Three Card Monte. While stalling PG and distracting him with the key ruse, something else was going on.

I think the defendant removed something from the Tacoma (and failed to grab the pail).

Remember -- FD did not want to return the truck at all. Wanted PG to take the Raptor. No doubt FD intended to take the Tacoma to Hartfield for his trash odyssey.

Were the trash bags in there? And she moved them to the Jeep?

That whole episode stunk.

It wasn't what the defendant said was happening (the cha cha cha or the hokey pokey) but they were definitely hiding what they were doing --

So whatever it was, it was important.

And sinister.

JMO
 
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I'm still seething over Beckham. What an absolute manipulator FD was. He was court ordered -- no contact. To ask JFd to violate those terms? Skeevy. Using a dying dog to do it. No shame.

You can be sure FD never gave a whit about Beckham. Just a tool from his manipulator's toolbar.

It gives me comfort to know that, when he had it, Beckham felt safe with PG. That imagine will stick with me.

Dogs know.

JMO
 
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It does surprise me about Bowman.
No idea, but my theory is he thought his client would come to her senses, then he'd produce the box with the best spin possible. He probably thought the unethical and/or illegal actions by M were understandable and smaller potatoes compared to Fotis and Kent. But M had to hold her position for whatever reason. So he was left holding the box that could only be delivered by thud, not spin. So he passed it on with the client.

MOO
 
  • #446
I think the story of poor Beckham backfired spectacularly too. Poor beckham, FD and MT couldn't even take him to the Vet and it appeared the poor pup might have even died alone. Who doesn't take their own pup to the Vet and stay with him to be euthanised? I don't even have words for FD and MT....new low even for them....
And do you think JS's question to PG about whether Carlos Troconis went with him to the vet when he took Beckham there "because he was a doctor" was a poor attempt at damage control by Troconis clan after PG related MT's damning comment about the side-by-side graves she wished for family dog and mother of 5? And PG couldn't recall CT going with him to the vet? The vet would have record of who brought the dog in?
 
  • #447
His attempt to backdoor his own signed stipulation -- that tells us everything we need to know.

Stiff arming Farmington PD in an attempt to intimidate PG -- witness tampering much?

And the attempts to impeach -- with so- called "evidence" he couldn't produce?

And as you say, arguing with the Judge, over-talking him, and then ignoring his instruction altogether -- is egregious.

We sure got a taste for the defendant yesterday. 1. This is her counsel. Matched set of underhandedness. 2. Her sense of entitlement. She wanted JFd out of her way. 3. She's a liar and a cheat.

I have two questions.

1. What was the defendant doing while FD took PG on an unnecessary walk to look at grass?

And

2. When she left 80 MS (supposedly with the key), what was she up to?

She told on herself when she concocted the sexy time bit up against the Tacoma. That never happened of course but they were actively hiding something IMO.

They failed to remove the pail of cleaning supplies. (Interesting to note that it survived the journey from Welles from where it likely came to MS. How many vehicles did it ride in to get there?)

I smell another fail on the part of the defendant. "You had ONE job." What did they need to remove from the Tacoma and get it the hell out of sight fast?

The key is the red herring. I believe FD had it all along. This is another Three Card Monte. While stalling PG and distracting him with the key ruse, something else was going on.

I think the defendant removed something from the Tacoma (and failed to grab the pail).

Remember -- FD did not want to return the truck at all. Wanted PG to take the Raptor. No doubt FD intended to take the Tacoma to Hartfield for his trash odyssey.

Were the trash bags in there? And she moved them to the Jeep?

That whole episode stunk.

It wasn't what the defendant said was happening (the cha cha cha or the hokey pokey) but they were definitely hiding what they were doing --

So whatever it was, it was important.

And sinister.

JMO
Sinister is a good word! Perfect actually.

Most every liar imo has a tell. I do very much wonder if the MT tell might just be the lies around “sex” and so these become the big red arrows to LOOK FURTHER HERE!

We had the “sexy shower” with FD when he was long gone. This lie didn’t age well and imo puts her front and center into conspiracy territory!

We had the “Tacoma sex scene” with FD and PG arrival. Was the arrival perhaps a bit sooner than expected and the clean up as you say not yet done on the Tacoma? Again as you point out MT and FD were in complete sync on the key charade and it was orchestrated a bit like the very old script of “who’s on first” by the infamous Abbott and Costello!

But, yep I think you are correct that the Red Tacoma scene at 80MS was just another game of “three card Monte”….

We also were treated to MT gross oversharing about tampons and such and I do wonder if this was to distract or to try in a way that was unfamiliar to her to possibly appear honest? Idk.

Can’t take your eyes off the card as Defence Counsel is trying to throw those cards fast and furious to get the jury to take their eyes off the Ace!

I honestly love a good comedy sketch and “who’s on first” reminded me so much of 80MS “where are the keys grift” but meanwhile nobody is talking about what was being done while the key shuffle was happening? What was in the back of the Tacoma that was of great concern as you point out????? PG was simply the stooge in this particular scene as you point out!

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When I type mt into my search engine this morning - I don’t find one article on her story about the dirt bike incident! All I see are articles and clips of js asking PG about shopping for tacomas and other parts of yesterday’s cross. What are our reporters afraid of?
 
  • #449
And do you think JS's question to PG about whether Carlos Troconis went with him to the vet when he took Beckham there "because he was a doctor" was a poor attempt at damage control by Troconis clan after PG related MT's damning comment about the side-by-side graves she wished for family dog and mother of 5? And PG couldn't recall CT going with him to the vet? The vet would have record of who brought the dog in?
To interject Papa Doc Troconis didn’t make much sense and putting him into the Tacoma made even less sense too! Could have been distraction.

But imo a Doctor with mental health knowledge might have endeavored to save his granddaughter from the scene at 4JX for 2+ years but we never saw that. Papa Doc didn’t care about the impact of 4Jx on an adolescent. Nope. He did by all accounts zero.

Then we have disgraced mental health professional who lost her license to practice in FL also do zero to protect her granddaughter.

No words for the sisters as imo they aren’t worth typing about.

But, the old phrase, “you can’t lead a horse to water” comes to mind with MT. Her parents could do nothing as she always did what she wanted and when she wanted and if she wasn’t going to care about her daughter and the baby daddy didn’t intervene either then it was just a bad situation that wasn’t going to change.

The tip off on psych profile of MT I think was perhaps the story of her parents sending her away to special behavioural camp as a teenager. Her parents might have realised what she is and how she behaves but it’s one thing to let her self destruct with her self absorption and another entirely to let her daughter go down with her. Her daughter was permitted to witness the dulos v Dulos divorce horror first hand, had her mother arrested in front of her and lived in a hotel as they had no place to live. What mother does this to a child they pretend to care about? MT did imo and her family did nothing.

Frankly to try and give dignity to any member of the Troconis Crew imo at this stage of the proceedings imo after they have slandered and defamed PG on social media for 4 years is something that makes no sense.

Idk why Defence Counsel interjected Papa Doc Troconis into the narrative. My guess is simply as a distraction.

mOo
 
  • #450
When I type mt into my search engine this morning - I don’t find one article on her story about the dirt bike incident! All I see are articles and clips of js asking PG about shopping for tacomas and other parts of yesterday’s cross. What are our reporters afraid of?
Doing work and the truth….just want clicks so don’t click on them please!

It’s a shameful group imo and Shannon Miller and NBC CT are the worst. I won’t watch them or the equally shameful Dateline or 48 Hrs.

MOO
 
  • #451
Sinister is a good word! Perfect actually.

Most every liar imo has a tell. I do very much wonder if the MT tell might just be the lies around “sex” and so these become the big red arrows to LOOK FURTHER HERE!

We had the “sexy shower” with FD when he was long gone. This lie didn’t age well and imo puts her front and center into conspiracy territory!

We had the “Tacoma sex scene” with FD and PG arrival. Was the arrival perhaps a bit sooner than expected and the clean up as you say not yet done on the Tacoma? Again as you point out MT and FD were in complete sync on the key charade and it was orchestrated a bit like the very old script of “who’s on first” by the infamous Abbott and Costello!

But, yep I think you are correct that the Red Tacoma scene at 80MS was just another game of “three card Monte”….

We also were treated to MT gross oversharing about tampons and such and I do wonder if this was to distract or to try in a way that was unfamiliar to her to possibly appear honest? Idk.

Can’t take your eyes off the card as Defence Counsel is trying to throw those cards fast and furious to get the jury to take their eyes off the Ace!

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Moo
Yes. This. All of this.

PG is such a decent human being. He ascribed motives to MT and FD based on his worldview. Believing FD to be a good guy. FD must have wanted the leaking Tacoma off his driveway. FD wanted him to upgrade his seats for better resale. But FD was lying and cheating all along. Truly inconceivable to PG who didn't even feel comfortable repeating a "bad word".

I suspect that FD and MT were frenzied at 4:30 ... and weren't ready for PG to have his truck. Hell, they might've been in the process of trying to clean blood off the seat when PG arrived, which might explain two things -- one, why the defendant had "cleaning" on her mind and why the bucket with cleaning supplies was in the Tacoma. Tools too? Maybe FD was trying to remove the seat himself.

If PG showed up in the middle of that, FD and the defendant would have two immediate goals -- keep PG from taking the vehicle and from seeing what was contained within (blood, half bolted seat, trash bags) and to distract him from the key which they IMO accidentally left in the lock.

PG had no reason to suspect anything and was even helpful, believing vehicles needed jockeying and nothing more.

They exploited his inborn decency.

It just makes FD and the defendant just that much more despicable, if that's possible.

JMO
 
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If the red bucket had MT’s dna on it and the tools and the bucket came from JFD’s garage, isnt that a slam dunk she was involved if not in the garage? The footprint analysis may prove that, maybe, maybe not.
I find JS so offensive. As I do MT. Such lying disgusting people. Nothing redeeming about either of them.
 
  • #453
No idea, but my theory is he thought his client would come to her senses, then he'd produce the box with the best spin possible. He probably thought the unethical and/or illegal actions by M were understandable and smaller potatoes compared to Fotis and Kent. But M had to hold her position for whatever reason. So he was left holding the box that could only be delivered by thud, not spin. So he passed it on with the client.

MOO
IMO the sweatshirt etc. couldn't be used as evidence after the broken chain of custody, i.e., being in NP's possession all that time. Wondered why NP was keeping it, how he knew whose DNA was or wasn't on it. Did NP have it tested?
 
  • #454
Or the bucket came from Jfd garage. Not sure where tools came from.
 
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Another POV from an atty:
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Just to be clear that I am in no way suggesting to watch this atty as she is late to the case and frankly doesn’t have the backstory on the divorce and FORE group. But she is giving a perspective on procedural issues and sometimes having a fresh pair of eyes on a complex case can be helpful and interesting.

Just putting this out there as there are few attys following this case on social media.
MOO
 
  • #456
I’m sorry to ask - I’ve tried following “the box case” but I’ve missed something. Was it the pail that was in the box, and why was/is it so controversial regarding being submitted evidence? I haven’t had any luck with standard search terms.
 
  • #457
I’m sorry to ask - I’ve tried following “the box case” but I’ve missed something. Was it the pail that was in the box, and why was/is it so controversial regarding being submitted evidence? I haven’t had any luck with standard search terms.
Because it magically and without explanation appeared in the hands of defense counsel.
 
  • #458
To interject Papa Doc Troconis didn’t make much sense and putting him into the Tacoma made even less sense too! Could have been distraction.

But imo a Doctor with mental health knowledge might have endeavored to save his granddaughter from the scene at 4JX for 2+ years but we never saw that. Papa Doc didn’t care about the impact of 4Jx on an adolescent. Nope. He did by all accounts zero.

Then we have disgraced mental health professional who lost her license to practice in FL also do zero to protect her granddaughter.

No words for the sisters as imo they aren’t worth typing about.

But, the old phrase, “you can’t lead a horse to water” comes to mind with MT. Her parents could do nothing as she always did what she wanted and when she wanted and if she wasn’t going to care about her daughter and the baby daddy didn’t intervene either then it was just a bad situation that wasn’t going to change.

The tip off on psych profile of MT I think was perhaps the story of her parents sending her away to special behavioural camp as a teenager. Her parents might have realised what she is and how she behaves but it’s one thing to let her self destruct with her self absorption and another entirely to let her daughter go down with her. Her daughter was permitted to witness the dulos v Dulos divorce horror first hand, had her mother arrested in front of her and lived in a hotel as they had no place to live. What mother does this to a child they pretend to care about? MT did imo and her family did nothing.

Frankly to try and give dignity to any member of the Troconis Crew imo at this stage of the proceedings imo after they have slandered and defamed PG on social media for 4 years is something that makes no sense.

Idk why Defence Counsel interjected Papa Doc Troconis into the narrative. My guess is simply as a distraction.

mOo
I'm thinking every time he mentions a specific person outside of the main players, it means he is going to call them as a witness to try to impeach state witnesses. So MT dad, the housekeeper, and someone who is going to say MT cleaned houses and probably more I can't remember.
 
  • #459
When I type mt into my search engine this morning - I don’t find one article on her story about the dirt bike incident! All I see are articles and clips of js asking PG about shopping for tacomas and other parts of yesterday’s cross. What are our reporters afraid of?
Maybe need to type moto-cross / motocross motorcycle….. you know, as the defense counsel prefers to refer to it? :)

And one sure hopes there would be some press and local coverage of the testimony from this stellar witness PG. Aren’t there any local reporters following this closely? To keep awareness for this case and sadly JF still has not been recovered. Yesterday’s presentation was quite revealing. IMO

I learned years ago from my divorce attorney (who was a well respected retired civil court judge) - that there are some things to respond to and some things to ignore. The key is which is which? MOO
 
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And we're live. Jury entering.
 
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