Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #19

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  • #301
On 7/19/19 KM withdrew his motion to withdraw appearance as counsel, originally filed 6/7/2019 (motion to withdraw appearance was 119.0, motion to withdraw that one-in effect keeping KM on as counsel-) was 125.0).
Complicated. By staying on KM can claim lawyer-client privilege, right.

Regardless that’s the trail of how he’s still repping FD.
He can claim privilege all he wants. We are now in "crime fraud territory", my friends. There is a privilege, but if the client and the lawyer were scheming to commit to commit the crime of obstruction of justice by concocting a fake alibi, that privilege vanishes into thin air like the ground under Wile E. Coyote's feet.

A co-conspirator who just happens to be a lawyer is still a co-conspirator. IMO there is no way KM comes out of this with his license. Perhaps he should think of his own best interests and figure out if the State is in the mood for a proffer.
 
  • #302
Wonderful and totally true.

But I have to admit that reading about the loan being listed on FD books and tax returns months ago very much puzzled me. Who would list a 'loan' and then argue in court that its a 'gift'? Then I kept reading and the 'FO show' with KM in Civil Court was virtually identical to the tactics he used in Family Court.

Then it dawned on me that this case wasn't about anything other than tormenting GF for having the chutzpah to ask for the money back that her husband had lent FO. Truth didn't matter, following the courts orders didn't matter and on and on it went. FO had zero gratitude for FIL funding of FORE. None. Zip. Zilch. Nada. IMO.

When you look at the file in the civil case it honestly reads in a very similar way to the family court file. People would ask FO for things, he wouldn't give them and then there are no consequences. The Judge in civil court I think either had a fire lit under them by the States Atty or some other source because the case truly was stalled for quite awhile IMO. The Judge recently has been moving things along and not tolerating such things and 3 no shows for depositions by FO (yes, this is what he did with no consequences).

For some reason that I don't understand KM is still listed as an atty of record along with Atty Bill Murray. KM had filed over a month ago to be released from representing FO but he is still getting copied on all the documents. Perhaps he didn't fill out his paperwork properly? IDK.

MOO

It was very interesting in reading the recent article posted here about the economy in Greece and how Everyone, ok, maybe not Everyone, but definitely 98% of the Greek people refused to pay the correct amount of taxes.

When you have corrupt people in government positions, it just perpetuates the vicious cycle for Many years.

I am not a 'financial' person, but no wonder the Greek Economy went caput.

The people did not trust the government and the government was not trust worthy and the government did not trust the people.

Therefore the people felt it was their Duty to Not pay taxes.

However, without the taxes, how did the people expect the government to function and provide the people with the appropriate services?

It became a way of life for the Greek people.

No wonder FO is this type of person.

It is a 'Badge of Honor' for a Greek Citizen to lie, cheat, steal, and hide assets.

Fits FO to a T.

Of course, Assuming that I understood the point of the article.

IMO
 
  • #303
Obviously this picture was taken prior to 2017, but not sure when it was taken.
I hate how he lets her hug him while he smugly smiles.
 
  • #304
He can claim privilege all he wants. We are now in "crime fraud territory", my friends. There is a privilege, but if the client and the lawyer were scheming to commit to commit the crime of obstruction of justice by concocting a fake alibi, that privilege vanishes into thin air like the ground under Wile E. Coyote's feet.

A co-conspirator who just happens to be a lawyer is still a co-conspirator. IMO there is no way KM comes out of this with his license. Perhaps he should think of his own best interests and figure out if the State is in the mood for a proffer.
Thanks for this!

KM before FD:
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Source: KM firm website

KM after FD:
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Source: Hartford Courant
 
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  • #305
After FD: Before FD:
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Source: Heavy.com
 
  • #306
Will someone get him an editor PLEASE. Back in the day, certain types of lawyers were known to partake of cocaine, which fueled their post-midnight "brilliant"(at least in their minds) legal memoranda. Hey NP, the 80's called; it says drugs are no bueno anymore!

If what you quoted above is a representative sample of the rest of that pleading, I pity the poor judge who has to read it. This guy's written work is atrocious! These are legal pleadings, not piece work for The Enquirer. I never thought I would say this, but that rag's writing looks like a Pulitzer prize winning article when compared to NP's overblown hyperbole.
No wonder Columbia made him leave without a PhD. It doesn’t get much more pretentious than this.
 
  • #307
Am sure that LE has "something"...probably many somethings, but in the recent press release LE said it was still getting results from the lab, etc.

Once they arrest FD the clock starts ticking for a trial. Evidence will be shared with the defense. As frustrating as it is to wait, we all want LE to have all the evidence analyzed; the leads followed up; the various threads of the cases woven together so that Pontificating Pattis doesn't pull a Jose Baez and say, "It was all just a terrible accident."

If it appears that RR is able to push the custody and visitation issues, LE may agree to move sooner. Right now, however, LE is on solid investigative time.

NP floated the idea of an emergency hearing in July. The Judge said something to the effect that there's no emergency at this time that would compel the court to act sooner. Hope that remains the prevailing legal ruling.

I think FD is throwing tantrums for NP and/or NP's private investigator is having difficulty getting the information NP wants. NP tends to be overly dramatic, IMO, but I also sense he's a bit frustrated that he's having such difficulty getting info from his police buddies, etc.

Just MOO...MOO...

Someone needs to put all the P words together and make a tongue twister.

What are the P words we have at this point?

MOO
 
  • #308
After FD: Before FD:
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Source: Heavy.com
I think both photos are after FD, IIRC. The one where she is dressed up is from one of the builder awards nights. There is another picture of her on a prior thread when she still lived in Miami. FD was in the photo but MT looked very healthy, wholesome and I daresay attractive in a girl-next-door kind of way. It was shocking the difference from what we see today.
 
  • #309
It is a 'Badge of Honor' for a Greek Citizen to lie, cheat, steal, and hide assets.

Fits FO to a T.

Of course, Assuming that I understood the point of the article.

IMO

You nailed it about Greece IMO and in alot fewer words than the Professor from Tufts! Kudos.

I don't give much energy to getting steamed about things in general but I have to say that following FO first through Family Court and then through Civil Court and next on to Criminal Court, I have to admit to having a good deal of anger about what I believe strongly to be abuse of the CT courts by FO. FO only did what the CT courts allowed him to do and so perhaps that is the greater issue that is producing the anger that I feel. IDK.

The issue though is that it all keeps going on and on in this case and from a variety of sources.

We saw the man with the crowbar and gas can show up at KM wifes house and police were called but made no arrest and the man was allowed to run away. Does LE know who this man is and where he lives? Was this man a friend of KM? Was this man perhaps at the Welles house of JD on the 24th? Who knows and does LE care?

We saw the local paper have to use FOI to get a copy of the KM arrest warrant for the spousal rape because of whatever strings KM pulled with local LE to effectively 'seal it'.

We saw KM out on $5,000 bail for SPOUSAL RAPE charge when $25,000+ bail is more typical for the recent cases I saw online.

We saw local LE I believe wait 5 days before interviewing KM STBX after JD went missing about her experience of possibly being 'baited' by FD and possibly lured to 4Jx, all allegedly to 'patch things up with KM'. Was there a 'tit for tat' going on or some conspiracy to murder plan with KM and FO? If LE had followed up to interview KM STBX sooner about the odd doings of FD and KM perhaps might JD be alive today? IDK but my sad guess is that LE couldn't tell us the answer to this question either.

We saw FD/Atty Bill Murray's response to GF documentation request in civil court not fully responded to or responded to with additional questions for GF. The effect of this is to simply waste the courts time and it happened over and over again in the civil case. GF asked for FO tax returns and he provides unsigned and seemingly incomplete copies and other requests were simply dismissed. GF just asked for a final judgment in the case based on discovery that FD was ordered by the court to provide in MARCH 2018 and which hasn't been sent to GF yet (Quickbooks records for FORE). Why would Atty Bill Murray permit FO to submit a motion to the court that had little to nothing to do with its intended purpose which was the GF information request? Why sign your name as an atty to such a document and submit it to court? Do the atty's simply not care either? IDK.

This list can go on and on and at times its frankly discouraging and huge disappointing that this is what is happening at the local level with LE and some legal professionals. I cannot even begin to go down the path of FO other 'friend' David M. Ford (mentioned in the GF civil case exhibits) who was finally disbarred in the State of CT after many many years of abuse of people and the system.

But watching this case really has me wondering what is going on in CT? So disappointing on so many levels.

MOO MOO MOO MOO
 
  • #310
Well, here's a start on the Pattis P-words!

PANDEMONIUM
PANDERING
PANICKY
PARALYZED
PARANOID
PARASITE
PARIAH
PATHETIC
PATTER
PECULIAR
PEEVISH
PERILOUS
PERNICIOUS
PERPLEXING
PERTURBED
PERVERSE
PEST
PETTY
PHONY
PIG
PITIFUL
POINTLESS
POISONOUS
POMPOUS
POSTURING
POWERLESS
PRATTLING
PREDATORY
PREPOSTEROUS
PRETENTIOUS
PROBLEMATIC
PROFANE
PUGNACIOUS
PUNITIVE
PUNK
PUZZLING
 
  • #311
I think both photos are after FD, IIRC. The one where she is dressed up is from one of the builder awards nights. There is another picture of her on a prior thread when she still lived in Miami. FD was in the photo but MT looked very healthy, wholesome and I daresay attractive in a girl-next-door kind of way. It was shocking the difference from what we see today.
Did more digging for a true 'before' pic:

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  • #312
Well, here's a start on the Pattis P-words!

PANDEMONIUM
PANDERING
PANICKY
PARALYZED
PARANOID
PARASITE
PARIAH
PATHETIC
PATTER
PECULIAR
PEEVISH
PERILOUS
PERNICIOUS
PERPLEXING
PERTURBED
PERVERSE
PEST
PETTY
PHONY
PIG
PITIFUL
POINTLESS
POISONOUS
POMPOUS
POSTURING
POWERLESS
PRATTLING
PREDATORY
PREPOSTEROUS
PRETENTIOUS
PROBLEMATIC
PROFANE
PUGNACIOUS
PUNITIVE
PUNK
PUZZLING

Well Done!!!

IMO
 
  • #313
Honestly, this whole tragic and sordid story would make for a great movie. And as I write that, I hope it never does.
Those five children...what will their lives be?

I hope that the love and care they’ve been given by their mom, GF, and others plus the best psychological support will help them develop and strengthen their resiliency. Thank heaven in my opinion that they have been supported and shielded in any way GF and her forces have been able to muster. I will hope for them to persevere and find happiness as their mother would have wished for them—as we all wish for children we love. MOO.
 
  • #314
Well, here's a start on the Pattis P-words!

PANDEMONIUM
PANDERING
PANICKY
PARALYZED
PARANOID
PARASITE
PARIAH
PATHETIC
PATTER
PECULIAR
PEEVISH
PERILOUS
PERNICIOUS
PERPLEXING
PERTURBED
PERVERSE
PEST
PETTY
PHONY
PIG
PITIFUL
POINTLESS
POISONOUS
POMPOUS
POSTURING
POWERLESS
PRATTLING
PREDATORY
PREPOSTEROUS
PRETENTIOUS
PROBLEMATIC
PROFANE
PUGNACIOUS
PUNITIVE
PUNK
PUZZLING
prick
pilgarlic
profligate
prat
putz
pudding-head
pinhead
pillock
plonker
palooka
p
ill
plank
purposeless
pathetic
puny
pits
punk
piss poor
pedestrian
poor quality
piss poor

Yours is a great list! This was quite cathartic! Thank you!
 
  • #315
It was very interesting in reading the recent article posted here about the economy in Greece and how Everyone, ok, maybe not Everyone, but definitely 98% of the Greek people refused to pay the correct amount of taxes.

When you have corrupt people in government positions, it just perpetuates the vicious cycle for Many years.

I am not a 'financial' person, but no wonder the Greek Economy went caput.

The people did not trust the government and the government was not trust worthy and the government did not trust the people.

Therefore the people felt it was their Duty to Not pay taxes.

However, without the taxes, how did the people expect the government to function and provide the people with the appropriate services?

It became a way of life for the Greek people.

No wonder FO is this type of person.

It is a 'Badge of Honor' for a Greek Citizen to lie, cheat, steal, and hide assets.

Fits FO to a T.

Of course, Assuming that I understood the point of the article.

IMO
I kept thinking about Greece and FO and your wonderful post.

Then I thought of GF waiting in the civil case and having to pay her atty since March 2018 WAITING for FO/FORE to provide the Quickbooks accounting records for FORE and FO AND his atty KM thinking it was totally OK to not comply. I think also of GF having to pay her atty nearly $3,000 for EACH of the 3 times FO chose to NOT show up for depositions. It goes on and on with no consequences.

IMO if this really were Greece there would be at least 2-3 sets of books and records.

To me it speaks to the sheer laziness and fundamental uselessness of FO and his great contempt for the US judicial system that he couldn't even take the time as part of his allegedly criminal activities to maintain at least one other set of books and records to provide to GF! He just couldn't be bothered to respond to a court directive. But the courts didn't punish him either!

I do believe in justice and in this case there will be no shortage of available 'evidence' for the State to use in its pursuit of justice for JD!

MOO
 
  • #316
This one time I will defend FD. Now don’t stone me to death.
There are some people that can NEVER EVER be satisfied. And use that skill to beat the other person down until they get the goods or service for next to nothing. And, after they win, still go on to bash FD. Personal experiences and knowledge. I was on the receiving end. And have seen others on the receiving end. He was lucky enough to be a better negotiator than this “buyer”. My best guess is they had heard he was in financial trouble, and went in with the intention to get him to sell at a substantial loss. MOO.

I know nothing about this situation at all but I know that you, like virtually everyone else I have encountered in this thread, consider the information provided and share your thoughts as part of an open dialogue of critical thinking about this very complicated, multi-faceted case. While it may not appear that I feel this way in light of some of my recent posts, in fact, I believe strongly in the importance of considering authentic, opposing and disparate viewpoints; we learn so much that way and can then see things we might never have seen otherwise including about the strengths, weaknesses, and biases of our own perspectives. I mean this and hope it comes through as sincere as I don’t want to make others feel constrained about sharing their opinions. I need to work on my behavior when I feel someone is trolling and denigrating others who are here with authentic opinions as I, incorrectly, thought I was being polite but firm; I need to remember that no one made me the judge of who or what is trolling. No stoning here; I apologize to you and all for having made such pushback a concern here. All MOO.
 
  • #317
Lawyer for Fotis Dulos says prosecutors are ‘desperate’ to link his client to Jennifer Dulos’ disappearance and are ignoring other possible leads


Pattis’ motion seeking an emergency order to compel prosecutors to turn over evidence said investigators interviewed colleagues of Dulos at his luxury home building business, The Fore Group, Monday evening in an effort “to implicate Mr. Dulos in the disappearance of his wife, even asking the employee to speculate on where Ms. Dulos’ body might be, an invitation the witness refused. The state seems desperate to develop an accomplice in the case, rather than refocusing its effort on trying to build a case based on available evidence.”
_________________________________________________________
My question - I wonder what "Monday evening" this took place? Could it be just recently??

ETA: And it mentions accomplice? Maybe FD is going to say MT did it and MT is going to say FD did it, or maybe the State thinks there is a 3rd person involved and that's what "accomplice" Norm is talking about? Thoughts?
I think ‘desperate’ is the key word here. I’ve noticed that Pattis does this to himself sometimes, what’s known as projective identification. Perhaps it’s from spending too much time on his analyst’s couch each morning?

Desperate indeed, NP and FD, to learn what LE has on FD so they can move forward on a defense. Because as FD said, he “knows what he did and didn’t do” and he’s desperate to find out if and what LE knows and doesn’t know, too.

NP: “The state seems desperate to develop an accomplice in the case, rather than refocusing its effort on trying to build a case based on available evidence.” Hmmm.

Available evidence, shall we review:
-blood and cleanup indicating serious physical assault in JDs garage the morning of May 24; FDs DNA found on her kitchen sink faucet the next day, mixed with her blood. Witness heard FD mention being concerned about not wanting his DNA to be found inside house two nights before.
-FD and MT on camera dumping bags of JDs bloody clothes and cleanup equipment with JDs blood that night
-doctored license plates registered to FD found in storm drain on same street FD and MT seen in truck and where JDs bloody clothes were found
-witness found knife and bloody pillow in same trash bins where FD and MT seen on camera dumping
-FD in contentious divorce from JD and due to show incriminating financial records in court week following JD disappearance
-FD owes JDs parents huge sums of money and being sued over that
-JD statements to court that she feared FD would harm her as a consequence of her leaving FD

Ok so that’s the available evidence, at least that we and NP know about so far.

From NP, we’ve heard Gone Girl and revenge suicide and MT will say that she was at home with FD that morning (even though she was returning a purse and at the grocery store), and that FD was meeting with a lawyer who is now also a potential suspect.

Now there’s a case based on available evidence for you!

And oh yeah, by the way, if you must ask, the evidence of FD and MT dumping JDs bloody clothes on Albany Avenue is an “anomaly I can’t explain”. Excellent use of available evidence to build a strong case! Is that what we’re taught in law school as the “inexplicable anomaly” defense? Works like a charm every time! Those mysterious Greek tycoons sure are getting their moneys worth out of the defense counsel aren’t they?

Clearly NP is going bonkers and trying to drag something, even some tiny sliver, of information out of LE, because until he knows what they know, he doesn’t dare to make a misstep that might screw over FD.

Colangelo gave NP the “no polygraph” clue under pressure. NP probably breathed a sigh of relief- he’s figuring that if MTs cooperating or has something valuable to LE, then they would’ve given her a polygraph. Aha, so they haven’t, maybe she’s still on our side, he’s thinking. But polygraphs don’t carry that much weight anymore anyway, and Colangelo could have chosen what he wanted to give up as bait, he’s not stupid. NP is really grasping at straws here, IMO.

Squirm, baby, squirm. The more you flail, the more it shows how desperate the defense really is.

MOO, of course.
 
  • #318
180.86 08/26/2019 C ORDER
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RESULT: Order 8/26/2019 HON ROBERT SHAPIRO

3. After review, the court finds that the failure to appear at the deposition was not part of a course of dilatory, bad faith and harassing litigation conduct; rather, it was inadvertent, not wilful. Subsequent to the filing of the motion the deposition of defendant Dulos has been commenced. Neither a default nor an award of attorney’s fees is warranted. Accordingly, the plaintiff’s motion is denied.
http://civilinquiry.jud.ct.gov/DocumentInquiry/DocumentInquiry.aspx?DocumentNo=17619373

What? I’m confused about how it wasn’t willful not to show up? I’m not being snarky; I just don’t understand. I’ll read on. MOO.
 
  • #319
Thanks for this! The issue seems to be a FO generated issue as the person to bring this up in court was No Case Norm. So far as I've seen, Bowman hasn't weighed in on this and neither has the State. State I believe gets 13 days or so to respond after Pattis sends in his motion. Still don't know if there will be a hearing or if Judge will bench rule on it.

Wonder why Pattis is fighting so hard for FO to see MT?

Yet again in his most recent interview Pattis mentioned that FO is 'devastated' to not be able to see MT. Like others have said here, it must be killing Pattis to have zero info on MT stmts and strategy. Have to give Bowman much much credit for keeping out of the fray with Pattis. Good example I think from Bowman of how to deal with a bully and bruiser like No Case Norm.

MOO

It just seems so rude to have him say that so often and so publicly that FD feels that way about MT when JD, his wife, is missing. It’s also almost like stalking of MT—not in a literal sense but weird to me. MOO.
 
  • #320
Why do men do that to themselves? My husband has a big roman nose, and I can’t imagine him any other way

I always wonder why some people worry so much about being beautiful on the outside but not on the inside like with compassion for others. MOO.
 
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