Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #31

[afitzy]

CT. LEOs are learning to keep mum regarding open cases et al. I am very biased (DH is retired trooper & me, State employee), have a phenomenal relationships with State/local/academic LEOs & respect the tight lipped nature of the ONGOING investigation. YES, ongoing & active "case planning" to reach the outcome of justice.
This is a complex case, the civil case can/is/will effect a criminal case & that must be avoided.
Regarding assisting legal enforcement agencies, cooperation is the norm vs "competition" (the nightmare of Sandy Hook united the "all in this together" within public service/protection).
Protecting the sources & the victim's family is a high priority, too.

I have faith that more is coming, after all, we are the State where a homicide was adjudicated from a bone chip & the wood chipper!

@youpath, thanks for your encouraging words on this topic! I do have deep respect for LEO (and great fear of the CT State Police) and do realise the complexity of this case and understand the great need to maintain the integrity of the investigation. I hope you do not take my prior post as any way disparaging of LEO or their efforts in this case as this was not my intent. My issue is the higher level conversation that takes place between LE senior management and the public during a complex investigation and we have seen next to none of that here in the Dulos case. IDK why precisely this is the case.

Do CT LE Senior Management simply not care for whatever reason about keeping the public involved in the case and see no need for discourse with the public? If this is the case it would seem a short statement from LE could lay the entire issue to bed IMO. Right now IMO LE appears uncaring, disinterested and disconnected from the many folks in CT that care deeply about this case. I do hope there is a reason for the 'radio silence' and not simply 'leave us alone to do our jobs', 'don't bother us', 'the press will simply get the story wrong and a million other disparaging remarks about the press' or the good old arrogance that we simply aren't obligated to speak to the public and you all just need to 'trust us'--all these statements play into the longstanding view many hold about CT State Police unfortunately. Alternatively perhaps CT State Police have a vested interest in maintaining an image of their organisation to the public that is characterised as being the 'hammer of the law' within the State and an organisation that residents should fear? IDK. I think there is a balance that can be made to appear strong and professional but also caring and connected the public. IMO CT State Police have never seemed to want to be connected to the residents and always for whatever reason stood apart and perhaps this image was intentionally crafted over many years and that culture prevailed and that is why we see zero communication with the public? Again, IDK.

To me, the communication strategy of CT LE Senior Mgmt is akin to something that might have been seen in Stalist Russia or during WWII where the phrase 'loose lips sink ships' ruled the day. These old style communication strategies don't play well today where we see even periodic briefings from the FBI or the Justice Department on complex cases.

For whatever reason I thought the State of CT might do a better job of including the public but for whatever reason they can't figure out how or simply don't want to? We've seen other cases where this process is done brilliantly and sometimes by even very small PD's. I guess perhaps I set the bar too high in my mind for CT State Police to expect that they might be more inclusionary in their approach given their longtime reputation within the State.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not questioning competency here at all but rather communication style and choices along with maintaining some connection to the public. Truly the extent of what we have seen was Spokesperson Foley speaking outside of MIRA, tossing out a statement and a few bombshells and then retiring to never be seen or heard from again. IMO, I think they could do better but I'm concerned that they don't feel any obligation to connect with the public ever. LE are servants of the public but sadly I think in CT this reality might have been forgotten as the public disconnection from government is sadly real IMO.

Yes CT is a small state but surely the resources exist to provide briefings to the public. Why haven't the Press asked or demanded more of LE? Or, is the reason we see ongoing 'reposting' activity from the HC and other press outlets because that is the way things work in CT? LE simply tells the press 'what is what' and the press simply prints it like DA and the HC always seem to do IMO? IDK. Is there nobody in CT LE Senior Management that is capable of dealing with the Press so perhaps there is a skill set deficit or staffing shortfall such that nobody exists that could handle the task? These days IMO its not enough for LE to simply do their jobs and I very much believe communication with the press/public is important.

Its a shame because the Dulos investigation could be the best investigation to ever be conducted within the State of CT ever but I will simply remember the first six months of the case as being CT Senior LE Management not communicating with the public and yet another example of the disconnect between Hartford and the rest of the State IMO which I find quite unnecessary and hugely disappointing. I would like to believe CT Senior LE Management could do better in this regard.

I will continue to hope and pray for justice in this sad and tragic case even with no words from the State of CT!

We on WS have all been doing well sleuthing along without LE and we will just have to keep it going!

MOO

 

[sleuth66]

Yes, local LE can request FBI assistance. CT State Police brought in the FBI almost immediately here (been trying to figure out the precise date but my guess is 4/26 or 4/27 as the specialised FBI Evidence Team was clearly visible during the week long search of Waveny Park. We don't know which other FBI teams were/are involved with the case unfortunately but my guess is that the specialised electronics sniffing dogs and technology might have been FBI.

Regarding the CT State Police, around the time of the MIRA searches there were a couple of good articles that talked about some of the individuals involved in the Dulos case as it looked to be an experienced team. The reality is that this crime happened in CT, so CT State Police are running the show and will ultimately be held accountable along with State Atty Colangelo for the prosecution of the case against MT and FD. The lead Detective whose name I believe is Kimball (his name is on AWs) is supposedly one of the most senior detectives in the State Police.

With the idea of attempting to be positive and supportive of LE in this case, I believe the focus and dedication shown during the MIRA search during very challenging weather conditions this summer was admirable. IMO there looked to be solid teamwork between NCPD and State Police which helped I think in the early and quick processing of Welles crime scene such that search warrants could be obtained and the investigation moved to Farmington. We saw little to no participation from Farmington PD and this has always baffled me.

The public saw Spokesperson Foley address the Press a couple of times during the MIRA search period and the public also heard from NCPD Chief K in the early days of the case but he has said nothing for months now. States Atty Colangelo has never addressed the public in this case thus far and so far as I know has not been formally interviewed by the Press. The early days of the case saw a handful of press releases but the past few months have been absolute radio silence from LE. Why?

Communication with the public when conducting a complicated and ongoing investigation is a tricky proposition IMO. In other missing and murder cases, however, we have seen an ongoing priority made by LE to communicate with the public if only to say the investigation is ongoing etc. Some PDs choose to go the press statement route and simply post it on social media or the PD website and this works too to maintain some level of contact with the public and to demonstrate commitment to justice on their behalf. These ongoing statements from LE or a Prosecutor IMO serve as a bridge between LE conducting the investigation and the public who cares about the victim. In the Dulos case we have had next to no communication and I'm not sure I have an explanation but I have to say the lack of communication has been disappointing and I also believe it to be disrespectful to the missing/presumed deceased victim in this tragic case and the public at large.

I think all here have an appreciation for the task at hand for LE in the Dulos case and I have no doubt that there are any number of dedicated and caring individuals present in the States Atty's Office, State Police and NCPD that are working very hard to achieve Justice for Jennifer. I guess where I have been profoundly disappointed in the State Police so far is in maintaining any level of contact with the public on the case and I'm not sure what exactly is driving this absence of communication? I'd have to check the exact dates but my recollection is that no member of LE or the States Attys office has addressed the Dulos case publicly since Spokesperson Foley spoke outside of the MIRA plant (We did see Chief K interviewed briefly on TV).

IMO communication from the State Police (or its absence) has done zero to inspire any level of confidence in the public about the work that is being done on behalf of JF in this case. I am saying this even as I know that there are many dedicated LE people working hard on the case. But, communication is important, showing emotion and caring for the victim and their family in a public way is important and LE doesn't exist in a bubble/vacuum that is disconnected from the public.

Sometimes when you see a member of LE do an incredible job communicating with the public, it makes it so much easier to understand the importance of public communication in ongoing criminal investigations and how the bunker like mentality of the CT State Police/States Atty's Office is tough to understand in a missing/murder case such as the Dulos case IMO.

I'm not sure what drives the bunker like mentality in CT and so I won't even hazard a guess here. I do know that no matter how much work has happened behind the scenes by caring and dedicated CT State Police officers and staff, the sad fact was that we had a missing (now presumed deceased) JF who was thrashed brutally in the press for months by defense counsel in a way that I personally found to be unprofessional and at times unlawful, and we heard not one word in defense of JF from the State of CT ever. I don't think I would be human if I said that this lack of public caring and empathy from the State of CT for a victim didn't bother me greatly. It did bother me greatly to the extent that I believe the public communication from the State of CT in the Dulos case has been amongst the worst I've seen when compared to other similar cases over the years.

Missing people aren't here to defend themselves and JF was lucky enough to have her friend Carrie Luft make statements through this process. But IMO those brilliant statements were absolutely no substitute for hearing from the actual people responsible for prosecuting this case be it the State Police or the States Atty or some spokesperson who can maintain an ongoing relationship with the public. Because we haven't heard from anyone in this case it simply seems that LE is hiding from the public for reasons unknown.

I don't think anyone that understands the investigative process has any issues with LE keeping investigative details close to the vest and the public clearly has no right to anything that could compromise the case IMO. But, this 'need to know issue' seems IMO to have been used as a possible excuse for not speaking for JF who is sadly and tragically not here to speak for herself or letting the public know that the hard work going on behind the scenes in ongoing and that the State of CT is committed to seeking justice in this case.

What appeared to happen to JD involved a horrific and violent crime in a relatively safe part of the State and many members of the public care deeply about this case and justice. So, to have no ongoing dialog with anyone involved with the investigation from the State of CT is not just upsetting but its somewhat disturbing too as I really wonder if LE is so disconnected as to think that there is no value in public communication on violent crime?

Recently in the FL case of another missing/murdered Mom of 1 outside of Orlando, there was a local Sheriff who IMO was probably about as good as I've seen recently in terms of being a vocal advocate seeking justice for a missing/murdered person and his passion and outrage along with great commitment to the case was IMO brilliant and inspiring. He told the public about the victim and the general details of the dedicated officers who were working around the clock on the case and it was clear to anyone listening to him that he and everyone involved in the case cared deeply. He didn't compromise his investigation by speaking, he didn't look weak by showing emotion and expressing anger and disgust at the state of the remains when they were located IMO. My sense was that the local population in his community respected his integrity and commitment to the victim and the case greatly, even if they might have had other issues with local LE.

IDK why the State of CT doesn't feel compelled to address the public in a general way in the Dulos case? Maybe some day we will learn more as to what exactly drove this choice (I do hope its been a choice made by LE and that we don't have a situation where the State is simply tone deaf?).

There is always an ongoing dynamic relationship and dialog between government and the people in the US, which is why the absence of dialog is even harder to understand in this case. Perhaps its just the way things are done in CT? I suppose if we had a stronger press contingent in CT that perhaps someone in the Press could perhaps explain why we have heard nothing from the State about the Dulos case? IDK, but watching this all play out now for over 5 months has has been hugely disappointing to someone who believes that people matter and victims need a voice as they aren't here to defend themselves.

MOO

The electronics sniffing dogs were actually CT SP! CT has the first electronics sniffing dogs program in the world and they are often called by other states for help. I am sure this is how they found JDs phone due to these excellent dogs. Usually they are used in things like child cases to find disposed memory drives etc but they came in great use here. These dogs are all labradors I am pretty sure.
On that note, did anyone see any pics of lab dogs at MIRA? I saw only shepherds and malinois. I am still trying to figure out whether I think they found her phone at MIRA or at Waveny. There were of course pics of labs searching at Waveny.

 

[afitzy]

The electronics sniffing dogs were actually CT SP! CT has the first electronics sniffing dogs program in the world and they are often called by other states for help. I am sure this is how they found JDs phone due to these excellent dogs. Usually they are used in things like child cases to find disposed memory drives etc but they came in great use here. These dogs are all labradors I am pretty sure.
On that note, did anyone see any pics of lab dogs at MIRA? I saw only shepherds and malinois. I am still trying to figure out whether I think they found her phone at MIRA or at Waveny. There were of course pics of labs searching at Waveny.

I will keep my eyes peeled for labrador pics as I make my way through the early press articles and post any that I find. My recollection of MIRA was the shepards. I recall at 9/11 at the WTC there was an incredible mix of different dog breeds. In the Berreth case the other day we learned so much about bloodhounds and cadaver dogs and how different breeds bring various aspects and skills to the search process. Its a fascinating aspect of LE IMO. But I'm glad CT State Police had the specialised dogs for the Waveny Search!

MOO

 

[Alathea]

<<I agree communication is important, but it could be that LE is wary of saying anything that NP and team could take and blow out of proportion / misuse somehow, plus the gag order may cover them as well (or at least they are abiding by it just to be on the safe side).">>

Not so sure about this.
Is LE really wary of NP? If so,why should they be? MOO?

No, not wary of NP, but wary of saying something that he can twist/lie about/misconstrue to the press -- as that's about all he's good for.

BC they don’t have all their ducks in a row.
It’s a 10,000 piece puzzle. And they don’t have the box top to work off of.
They don’t want the judges to screw something up.
It could be a hundred other things.

Agreed. I know they are working hard on it, and it's not helpful to force themselves into saying something that would help the defense now. IMO.

"It could be a hundred other things." - This is important for us to remember. We don't know what we don't know. (Fortunately, neither do FD/MT!) We had no idea about the school bus video - it could be something similar to that, something that takes quite a bit of time to piece together.

If FD and MT want to pretend they're getting off free and life is normal, let them think that for now. PF and KK seemed to think so in the KB case as well.... ha.

 

[Alathea]

CT. LEOs are learning to keep mum regarding open cases et al. I am very biased (DH is retired trooper & me, State employee), have a phenomenal relationships with State/local/academic LEOs & respect the tight lipped nature of the ONGOING investigation. YES, ongoing & active "case planning" to reach the outcome of justice. This is a complex case, the civil case can/is/will effect a criminal case & that must be avoided. Regarding assisting legal enforcement agencies, cooperation is the norm vs "competition" (the nightmare of Sandy Hook united the "all in this together" within public service/protection). Protecting the sources & the victim's family is a high priority, too.

I have faith that more is coming, after all, we are the State where a homicide was adjudicated from a bone chip & the wood chipper!

BBM. Exactly! And that was YEARS ago - they have so much more technology now - CT, being a wealthy state, in particular.

If I were MT and FD I'd be sweating bricks (or however you want to say that) that it's taking so long.

 

[Alathea]

P.S. ^ That said, I do think/agree with @afitzy that it would help the public to hear even a brief statement (but perhaps where we may differ - I think it should be without the press involved,) something to the effect of:

"Don't worry, we are still very much engaged in this investigation!"

 

[sleuth66]

@youpath, thanks for your encouraging words on this topic! I do have deep respect for LEO (and great fear of the CT State Police) and do realise the complexity of this case and understand the great need to maintain the integrity of the investigation. I hope you do not take my prior post as any way disparaging of LEO or their efforts in this case as this was not my intent. My issue is the higher level conversation that takes place between LE senior management and the public during a complex investigation and we have seen next to none of that here in the Dulos case. IDK why precisely this is the case.

Do CT LE Senior Management simply not care for whatever reason about keeping the public involved in the case and see no need for discourse with the public? If this is the case it would seem a short statement from LE could lay the entire issue to bed IMO. Right now IMO LE appears uncaring, disinterested and disconnected from the many folks in CT that care deeply about this case. I do hope there is a reason for the 'radio silence' and not simply 'leave us alone to do our jobs', 'don't bother us', 'the press will simply get the story wrong and a million other disparaging remarks about the press' or the good old arrogance that we simply aren't obligated to speak to the public and you all just need to 'trust us'--all these statements play into the longstanding view many hold about CT State Police unfortunately. Alternatively perhaps CT State Police have a vested interest in maintaining an image of their organisation to the public that is characterised as being the 'hammer of the law' within the State and an organisation that residents should fear? IDK. I think there is a balance that can be made to appear strong and professional but also caring and connected the public. IMO CT State Police have never seemed to want to be connected to the residents and always for whatever reason stood apart and perhaps this image was intentionally crafted over many years and that culture prevailed and that is why we see zero communication with the public? Again, IDK.

To me, the communication strategy of CT LE Senior Mgmt is akin to something that might have been seen in Stalist Russia or during WWII where the phrase 'loose lips sink ships' ruled the day. These old style communication strategies don't play well today where we see even periodic briefings from the FBI or the Justice Department on complex cases.

For whatever reason I thought the State of CT might do a better job of including the public but for whatever reason they can't figure out how or simply don't want to? We've seen other cases where this process is done brilliantly and sometimes by even very small PD's. I guess perhaps I set the bar too high in my mind for CT State Police to expect that they might be more inclusionary in their approach given their longtime reputation within the State.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not questioning competency here at all but rather communication style and choices along with maintaining some connection to the public. Truly the extent of what we have seen was Spokesperson Foley speaking outside of MIRA, tossing out a statement and a few bombshells and then retiring to never be seen or heard from again. IMO, I think they could do better but I'm concerned that they don't feel any obligation to connect with the public ever. LE are servants of the public but sadly I think in CT this reality might have been forgotten as the public disconnection from government is sadly real IMO.

Yes CT is a small state but surely the resources exist to provide briefings to the public. Why haven't the Press asked or demanded more of LE? Or, is the reason we see ongoing 'reposting' activity from the HC and other press outlets because that is the way things work in CT? LE simply tells the press 'what is what' and the press simply prints it like DA and the HC always seem to do IMO? IDK. Is there nobody in CT LE Senior Management that is capable of dealing with the Press so perhaps there is a skill set deficit or staffing shortfall such that nobody exists that could handle the task? These days IMO its not enough for LE to simply do their jobs and I very much believe communication with the press/public is important.

Its a shame because the Dulos investigation could be the best investigation to ever be conducted within the State of CT ever but I will simply remember the first six months of the case as being CT Senior LE Management not communicating with the public and yet another example of the disconnect between Hartford and the rest of the State IMO which I find quite unnecessary and hugely disappointing. I would like to believe CT Senior LE Management could do better in this regard.

I will continue to hope and pray for justice in this sad and tragic case even with no words from the State of CT!

We on WS have all been doing well sleuthing along without LE and we will just have to keep it going!

MOO

I have been thinking lately of the similarity/differences between this and other recent similar cases. The rather large and significant difference between for example cowboy Frazee, Anadarko Watts, and even fugitive millionaire Chadwick (not to mention so many others who have killed their wives recently thinking they’d get away with it) is the presence of the civil case, with the family of the missing wife, which was already underway at the time of disappearance.

There is huge potential for motive for murder to both get caught up with, and to emerge from, the civil case. We can see and speculate about that on the surface, but I cannot imagine that given what we already know and can already guess, LE, as well as GFs talented PI team, has not unearthed a gargantuan cesspit of financial undergirding to JDs tragic disappearance.
Likely MT and one could further speculate Mama A and extended family, could also be knee-deep in this as well. We know the MT family was close with FD, staying in style at 4JC and exchanging flatteries on social media, and that Mama A fancies herself a master at evading the law and getting away with it.

Given the bait and switch representation that FD is pulling in the civil case (is he intentionally choosing lawyers he knows can help him distract and draw the case out as long as possible?) there is the potential for it to drag on and on. While that is frustrating to watch, it is also dangerous if murder charges get filed and the clock starts ticking, while FD tantalizes the already tractable courts with legal antics and delays in the civil trial that then collide with and divert the murder case.

While I know many others have said basically the same thing along these lines here already, when I asked myself, what is different between this case and the many tragic others that it veers toward and resembles, it is this complicating factor of legal entanglements of JFs family, which not only is not separate from, but is also likely connected to motive for, the murder.

MOO.

 

[pernickety]

@youpath, thanks for your encouraging words on this topic! I do have deep respect for LEO (and great fear of the CT State Police) and do realise the complexity of this case and understand the great need to maintain the integrity of the investigation. I hope you do not take my prior post as any way disparaging of LEO or their efforts in this case as this was not my intent. My issue is the higher level conversation that takes place between LE senior management and the public during a complex investigation and we have seen next to none of that here in the Dulos case. IDK why precisely this is the case.

Do CT LE Senior Management simply not care for whatever reason about keeping the public involved in the case and see no need for discourse with the public? If this is the case it would seem a short statement from LE could lay the entire issue to bed IMO. Right now IMO LE appears uncaring, disinterested and disconnected from the many folks in CT that care deeply about this case. I do hope there is a reason for the 'radio silence' and not simply 'leave us alone to do our jobs', 'don't bother us', 'the press will simply get the story wrong and a million other disparaging remarks about the press' or the good old arrogance that we simply aren't obligated to speak to the public and you all just need to 'trust us'--all these statements play into the longstanding view many hold about CT State Police unfortunately. Alternatively perhaps CT State Police have a vested interest in maintaining an image of their organisation to the public that is characterised as being the 'hammer of the law' within the State and an organisation that residents should fear? IDK. I think there is a balance that can be made to appear strong and professional but also caring and connected the public. IMO CT State Police have never seemed to want to be connected to the residents and always for whatever reason stood apart and perhaps this image was intentionally crafted over many years and that culture prevailed and that is why we see zero communication with the public? Again, IDK.

To me, the communication strategy of CT LE Senior Mgmt is akin to something that might have been seen in Stalist Russia or during WWII where the phrase 'loose lips sink ships' ruled the day. These old style communication strategies don't play well today where we see even periodic briefings from the FBI or the Justice Department on complex cases.

Were there any audios released of NCPD police calls re investigation of the scene at Welles?

For whatever reason I thought the State of CT might do a better job of including the public but for whatever reason they can't figure out how or simply don't want to? We've seen other cases where this process is done brilliantly and sometimes by even very small PD's. I guess perhaps I set the bar too high in my mind for CT State Police to expect that they might be more inclusionary in their approach given their longtime reputation within the State.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not questioning competency here at all but rather communication style and choices along with maintaining some connection to the public. Truly the extent of what we have seen was Spokesperson Foley speaking outside of MIRA, tossing out a statement and a few bombshells and then retiring to never be seen or heard from again. IMO, I think they could do better but I'm concerned that they don't feel any obligation to connect with the public ever. LE are servants of the public but sadly I think in CT this reality might have been forgotten as the public disconnection from government is sadly real IMO.

Yes CT is a small state but surely the resources exist to provide briefings to the public. Why haven't the Press asked or demanded more of LE? Or, is the reason we see ongoing 'reposting' activity from the HC and other press outlets because that is the way things work in CT? LE simply tells the press 'what is what' and the press simply prints it like DA and the HC always seem to do IMO? IDK. Is there nobody in CT LE Senior Management that is capable of dealing with the Press so perhaps there is a skill set deficit or staffing shortfall such that nobody exists that could handle the task? These days IMO its not enough for LE to simply do their jobs and I very much believe communication with the press/public is important.

Its a shame because the Dulos investigation could be the best investigation to ever be conducted within the State of CT ever but I will simply remember the first six months of the case as being CT Senior LE Management not communicating with the public and yet another example of the disconnect between Hartford and the rest of the State IMO which I find quite unnecessary and hugely disappointing. I would like to believe CT Senior LE Management could do better in this regard.

I will continue to hope and pray for justice in this sad and tragic case even with no words from the State of CT!

We on WS have all been doing well sleuthing along without LE and we will just have to keep it going!

MOO

 

[afitzy]

P.S. ^ That said, I do think/agree with @afitzy that it would help the public to hear even a brief statement (but perhaps where we may differ - I think it should be without the press involved,) something to the effect of:

"Don't worry, we are still very much engaged in this investigation!"

The thing is that the folks here on WS would know that the State just requested that the arrest warrant seals be extended. To me this means that the investigation is ongoing and that maintaining the seals is important to maintaining the integrity of the investigation.

I don't think I've ever doubted that the State was working hard to put the 10,000 piece puzzle together here with no box top picture (loved this visual by whoever first described the case this way as I think its perfect for his sad case BTW).

Chief K from NCPD said in one of his interviews that the investigation was ongoing and the NCPD social media was quite clear that anyone involved with the disappearance of JF would be brought to justice.

I chose to believe these statements from Chief K and only time will tell if he was telling the truth (I hope he was!). Spokesperson Foley didn't really add much information to the public dialog about the substance of the case but I thought did an ok job explaining the commitment of the LE workers at MIRA which I thought was commendable as that task sounded horrific.

MOO

 

[HopeForTheBest]

MT not helping until she knows if she’ll be charged with murder. Before, during and after. She’d be showing her cards first. Not if she’s playing poker. The longer LE fumbles around with arresting either of them for murder, the less likely they are to be convicted.
NP wanted immediate trial bc all evidence not pulled together. Good chance to win. Now, it’s been so long, maybe LE can’t pull it together. Not just a missing body, but other pieces to build a strong circumstantial case. So MT is waiting. No need to pull your ace out of your sleeve if it’s not needed. Nerves of steel. Whoever speaks first, loses. Like any sales pitch.

I hope that they are putting the case together in such a precise and overwhelming way. I just hope that, and I hope that MT’s gamble does not pay off. What are the downsides and upsides of her poker plays here, do you guys think? I’m slammed and then some at work but like all of you, I am not forgetting JD. MOO.

 

[afitzy]

Just putting this article on invoking the 5th in Civil Court here as a placeholder for review. The Judge has yet to rule on the MT deposition situation in the Civil Case and there hasn't been a response to the Atty Weinstein motion of complaint about the Atty Bowman [REDACTED] motion in that case either.

https://www.maglaw.com/publications...d=Attachments/index=0/Mogul Spiro 6-20-17.pdf

 

[pernickety]

@youpath, thanks for your encouraging words on this topic! I do have deep respect for LEO (and great fear of the CT State Police) and do realise the complexity of this case and understand the great need to maintain the integrity of the investigation. I hope you do not take my prior post as any way disparaging of LEO or their efforts in this case as this was not my intent. My issue is the higher level conversation that takes place between LE senior management and the public during a complex investigation and we have seen next to none of that here in the Dulos case. IDK why precisely this is the case.

Do CT LE Senior Management simply not care for whatever reason about keeping the public involved in the case and see no need for discourse with the public? If this is the case it would seem a short statement from LE could lay the entire issue to bed IMO. Right now IMO LE appears uncaring, disinterested and disconnected from the many folks in CT that care deeply about this case. I do hope there is a reason for the 'radio silence' and not simply 'leave us alone to do our jobs', 'don't bother us', 'the press will simply get the story wrong and a million other disparaging remarks about the press' or the good old arrogance that we simply aren't obligated to speak to the public and you all just need to 'trust us'--all these statements play into the longstanding view many hold about CT State Police unfortunately. Alternatively perhaps CT State Police have a vested interest in maintaining an image of their organisation to the public that is characterised as being the 'hammer of the law' within the State and an organisation that residents should fear? IDK. I think there is a balance that can be made to appear strong and professional but also caring and connected the public. IMO CT State Police have never seemed to want to be connected to the residents and always for whatever reason stood apart and perhaps this image was intentionally crafted over many years and that culture prevailed and that is why we see zero communication with the public? Again, IDK.

To me, the communication strategy of CT LE Senior Mgmt is akin to something that might have been seen in Stalist Russia or during WWII where the phrase 'loose lips sink ships' ruled the day. These old style communication strategies don't play well today where we see even periodic briefings from the FBI or the Justice Department on complex cases.

For whatever reason I thought the State of CT might do a better job of including the public but for whatever reason they can't figure out how or simply don't want to? We've seen other cases where this process is done brilliantly and sometimes by even very small PD's. I guess perhaps I set the bar too high in my mind for CT State Police to expect that they might be more inclusionary in their approach given their longtime reputation within the State.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not questioning competency here at all but rather communication style and choices along with maintaining some connection to the public. Truly the extent of what we have seen was Spokesperson Foley speaking outside of MIRA, tossing out a statement and a few bombshells and then retiring to never be seen or heard from again. IMO, I think they could do better but I'm concerned that they don't feel any obligation to connect with the public ever. LE are servants of the public but sadly I think in CT this reality might have been forgotten as the public disconnection from government is sadly real IMO.

Yes CT is a small state but surely the resources exist to provide briefings to the public. Why haven't the Press asked or demanded more of LE? Or, is the reason we see ongoing 'reposting' activity from the HC and other press outlets because that is the way things work in CT? LE simply tells the press 'what is what' and the press simply prints it like DA and the HC always seem to do IMO? IDK. Is there nobody in CT LE Senior Management that is capable of dealing with the Press so perhaps there is a skill set deficit or staffing shortfall such that nobody exists that could handle the task? These days IMO its not enough for LE to simply do their jobs and I very much believe communication with the press/public is important.

Its a shame because the Dulos investigation could be the best investigation to ever be conducted within the State of CT ever but I will simply remember the first six months of the case as being CT Senior LE Management not communicating with the public and yet another example of the disconnect between Hartford and the rest of the State IMO which I find quite unnecessary and hugely disappointing. I would like to believe CT Senior LE Management could do better in this regard.

I will continue to hope and pray for justice in this sad and tragic case even with no words from the State of CT!

We on WS have all been doing well sleuthing along without LE and we will just have to keep it going!

MOO

(I replied to this yesterday, but can't find it)
Did NCPD release audios of any police calls at the time they first investigated the scene at Welles?

 

[BellaVita]

I have been looking weekly for a default judgment and my hope is to wake up one day and see it as IMO it is LONG overdue.

This wish for a default judgment, however, is balanced by wanting to see how the Court resolves the situation with MT deposition and Atty Bowman's overuse IMO of the word [REDACTED] in his last motions and any information on the 'Greek Benefactor' and how FD maintains multiple five figure credit card balances and keeps them current. IMO the 'financial sorcery' is impressive and perhaps this should be FD next enterprise, teaching how to game the credit card companies with no documented income for over a year and a half and no filed taxes.

MOO

THIS. The official credit card records will show all. Get/Demand/Motion to Compel/Subpoena a credit report and records of where the payments are coming from. This will tell all, IMO. FD will happily default rather than provide these voluntarily. Also, credit card companies will happily continue to provide credit as long as timely payments are forthcoming. Happily involved in my own default judgment process with a psychopath. Until you have met one of these people in the flesh, you have no idea what it is like. It is horrifying to somebody looking from the outside in. To be in the middle of it? Unspeakable. Godspeed, Gail Farber.

 

[Midwestmom2019]

I have been thinking lately of the similarity/differences between this and other recent similar cases. The rather large and significant difference between for example cowboy Frazee, Anadarko Watts, and even fugitive millionaire Chadwick (not to mention so many others who have killed their wives recently thinking they’d get away with it) is the presence of the civil case, with the family of the missing wife, which was already underway at the time of disappearance.

There is huge potential for motive for murder to both get caught up with, and to emerge from, the civil case. We can see and speculate about that on the surface, but I cannot imagine that given what we already know and can already guess, LE, as well as GFs talented PI team, has not unearthed a gargantuan cesspit of financial undergirding to JDs tragic disappearance.
Likely MT and one could further speculate Mama A and extended family, could also be knee-deep in this as well. We know the MT family was close with FD, staying in style at 4JC and exchanging flatteries on social media, and that Mama A fancies herself a master at evading the law and getting away with it.

Given the bait and switch representation that FD is pulling in the civil case (is he intentionally choosing lawyers he knows can help him distract and draw the case out as long as possible?) there is the potential for it to drag on and on. While that is frustrating to watch, it is also dangerous if murder charges get filed and the clock starts ticking, while FD tantalizes the already tractable courts with legal antics and delays in the civil trial that then collide with and divert the murder case.

While I know many others have said basically the same thing along these lines here already, when I asked myself, what is different between this case and the many tragic others that it veers toward and resembles, it is this complicating factor of legal entanglements of JFs family, which not only is not separate from, but is also likely connected to motive for, the murder.

MOO.

NO DOUBT in my mind that Mr. Weinstein is in constant contact with LE so as not to jeopardize the criminal case at all. If LE said drop the civil case so we can guarantee murder pinned on FD, Dr. Farber would do it in a heartbeat.
Both teams are working independently but together. Civil and criminal rules are different in some areas. So they both have something to bring to the table: valuable information the other team member needs but may not be able to access.

 

[afitzy]

The electronics sniffing dogs were actually CT SP! CT has the first electronics sniffing dogs program in the world and they are often called by other states for help. I am sure this is how they found JDs phone due to these excellent dogs. Usually they are used in things like child cases to find disposed memory drives etc but they came in great use here. These dogs are all labradors I am pretty sure.
On that note, did anyone see any pics of lab dogs at MIRA? I saw only shepherds and malinois. I am still trying to figure out whether I think they found her phone at MIRA or at Waveny. There were of course pics of labs searching at Waveny.

Here is a short article on the Cadaver dog "Radar" used in the Berreth case.

I vote we bring Radar to CT!

Dogs take center stage at trial for man accused of killing fiancee

 

[afitzy]

THIS. The official credit card records will show all. Get/Demand/Motion to Compel/Subpoena a credit report and records of where the payments are coming from. This will tell all, IMO. FD will happily default rather than provide these voluntarily. Also, credit card companies will happily continue to provide credit as long as timely payments are forthcoming. Happily involved in my own default judgment process with a psychopath. Until you have met one of these people in the flesh, you have no idea what it is like. It is horrifying to somebody looking from the outside in. To be in the middle of it? Unspeakable. Godspeed, Gail Farber.

BE STRONG @BellaVita!

On the outside looking in the FD/FORE credit situation simply looks like a house of cards being fuelled by money from an unknown source. I suppose if FD were able to squirrel away $100-200,000 of JD cash a year say over 10-12 years and redeploy it to parts unknown (in addition to any proceeds from FORE sales or "payments" for "services rendered to his sister the architect" or even his "Greek website developer" or even "local CT contractors" or perhaps "random family members", that it would be possible to make this money 'reappear' in an emergency. But this strategy is not without risk of investigation for any number of other criminal acts IMO. I still very much wonder what might have been smuggled into the US inside the 2 cars repatriated from Greece. Did LE inspect these vehicles? Have these vehicles been subjected to drug and other contraband sniffing dogs?

Atty Weinstein's very basic question of how FD/FORE is paying now 6 attys IMO gets to the very heart of the financial questions we all no doubt have.

But, from the outside looking in it does sometimes appear that Atty Weinstein is a single person working very hard to push a large boulder up a hill and there are so many roadblocks in his way IMO.

MOO

 

[afitzy]

(I replied to this yesterday, but can't find it)
Did NCPD release audios of any police calls at the time they first investigated the scene at Welles?

@pernickety, Not that I am aware of. So far as I know the only info we have about the reporting of JF being missing by friends/family is in AW1 on page 1.

Its an interesting question. I wonder if any of the Press have done a FOIA request for the 911 call if this is what was used to contact NCPD? I believe a FOIA request was made and denied for the Albany CCTV but I don't recall any such request for the initial missing call to NCPD.

MOO

 

[BellaVita]

BE STRONG @BellaVita!

On the outside looking in the FD/FORE credit situation simply looks like a house of cards being fuelled by money from an unknown source. I suppose if FD were able to squirrel away $100-200,000 of JD cash a year say over 10-12 years and redeploy it to parts unknown (in addition to any proceeds from FORE sales or "payments" for "services rendered to his sister the architect" or even his "Greek website developer" or even "local CT contractors" or perhaps "random family members", that it would be possible to make this money 'reappear' in an emergency. But this strategy is not without risk of investigation for any number of other criminal acts IMO. I still very much wonder what might have been smuggled into the US inside the 2 cars repatriated from Greece. Did LE inspect these vehicles? Have these vehicles been subjected to drug and other contraband sniffing dogs?

Atty Weinstein's very basic question of how FD/FORE is paying now 6 attys IMO gets to the very heart of the financial questions we all no doubt have.

But, from the outside looking in it does sometimes appear that Atty Weinstein is a single person working very hard to push a large boulder up a hill and there are so many roadblocks in his way IMO.

MOO

The house of cards these people build is incredible. The deceit in their daily walk of life is incredible. Yes, money reappears in emergency. The credit card companies can also provide where payments are coming from. Have to believe Weinstein has pursued this?

 

[pernickety]

@pernickety, Not that I am aware of. So far as I know the only info we have about the reporting of JF being missing by friends/family is in AW1 on page 1.

Its an interesting question. I wonder if any of the Press have done a FOIA request for the 911 call if this is what was used to contact NCPD? I believe a FOIA request was made and denied for the Albany CCTV but I don't recall any such request for the initial missing call to NCPD.

MOO

If the Press hasn't FOIA'd it, why not do so? 911s and dispatch calls are usually disclosed near the beginning of a police investigation, as I've observed from watching TV in other cases. Would be interesting to know if first responders to the scene called for reinforcements and what kind.

MOO

 

[sleuth66]

Here is a short article on the Cadaver dog "Radar" used in the Berreth case.

I vote we bring Radar to CT!

Dogs take center stage at trial for man accused of killing fiancee

I especially liked this coverage of Radar’s expert testimony:

“While Radar did not take the witness stand (Hurst said he was concerned the 140-pound dog would slobber all over the 115-year-old courtroom in Teller County), he was certified as an expert nevertheless.”
Witnesses corroborate parts of Krystal Lee's testimony about the murder of Kelsey Berreth

Here’s an article on CT’s electronics dogs.

It is sobering (and endearing) that in this era of high tech forensics, CCTV, cell phone pings, luminol and the like, some of the best tools in solving crimes like these remain our animal companions.

Dogs That Sniff Out Electronic Devices Graduate From State Police Academy