Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #31

[Midwestmom2019]

@youpath, thanks for your encouraging words on this topic! I do have deep respect for LEO (and great fear of the CT State Police) and do realise the complexity of this case and understand the great need to maintain the integrity of the investigation. I hope you do not take my prior post as any way disparaging of LEO or their efforts in this case as this was not my intent. My issue is the higher level conversation that takes place between LE senior management and the public during a complex investigation and we have seen next to none of that here in the Dulos case. IDK why precisely this is the case.

Do CT LE Senior Management simply not care for whatever reason about keeping the public involved in the case and see no need for discourse with the public? If this is the case it would seem a short statement from LE could lay the entire issue to bed IMO. Right now IMO LE appears uncaring, disinterested and disconnected from the many folks in CT that care deeply about this case. I do hope there is a reason for the 'radio silence' and not simply 'leave us alone to do our jobs', 'don't bother us', 'the press will simply get the story wrong and a million other disparaging remarks about the press' or the good old arrogance that we simply aren't obligated to speak to the public and you all just need to 'trust us'--all these statements play into the longstanding view many hold about CT State Police unfortunately. Alternatively perhaps CT State Police have a vested interest in maintaining an image of their organisation to the public that is characterised as being the 'hammer of the law' within the State and an organisation that residents should fear? IDK. I think there is a balance that can be made to appear strong and professional but also caring and connected the public. IMO CT State Police have never seemed to want to be connected to the residents and always for whatever reason stood apart and perhaps this image was intentionally crafted over many years and that culture prevailed and that is why we see zero communication with the public? Again, IDK.

To me, the communication strategy of CT LE Senior Mgmt is akin to something that might have been seen in Stalist Russia or during WWII where the phrase 'loose lips sink ships' ruled the day. These old style communication strategies don't play well today where we see even periodic briefings from the FBI or the Justice Department on complex cases.

For whatever reason I thought the State of CT might do a better job of including the public but for whatever reason they can't figure out how or simply don't want to? We've seen other cases where this process is done brilliantly and sometimes by even very small PD's. I guess perhaps I set the bar too high in my mind for CT State Police to expect that they might be more inclusionary in their approach given their longtime reputation within the State.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not questioning competency here at all but rather communication style and choices along with maintaining some connection to the public. Truly the extent of what we have seen was Spokesperson Foley speaking outside of MIRA, tossing out a statement and a few bombshells and then retiring to never be seen or heard from again. IMO, I think they could do better but I'm concerned that they don't feel any obligation to connect with the public ever. LE are servants of the public but sadly I think in CT this reality might have been forgotten as the public disconnection from government is sadly real IMO.

Yes CT is a small state but surely the resources exist to provide briefings to the public. Why haven't the Press asked or demanded more of LE? Or, is the reason we see ongoing 'reposting' activity from the HC and other press outlets because that is the way things work in CT? LE simply tells the press 'what is what' and the press simply prints it like DA and the HC always seem to do IMO? IDK. Is there nobody in CT LE Senior Management that is capable of dealing with the Press so perhaps there is a skill set deficit or staffing shortfall such that nobody exists that could handle the task? These days IMO its not enough for LE to simply do their jobs and I very much believe communication with the press/public is important.

Its a shame because the Dulos investigation could be the best investigation to ever be conducted within the State of CT ever but I will simply remember the first six months of the case as being CT Senior LE Management not communicating with the public and yet another example of the disconnect between Hartford and the rest of the State IMO which I find quite unnecessary and hugely disappointing. I would like to believe CT Senior LE Management could do better in this regard.

I will continue to hope and pray for justice in this sad and tragic case even with no words from the State of CT!

We on WS have all been doing well sleuthing along without LE and we will just have to keep it going!

MOO

As I read your post, I agreed with all of your comments.
After mulling it over, I came to a different conclusion.
SILENCE IS GOLDEN.
This is an unprecedented case spanning:
Civil law
Criminal law
State laws
Federal laws
International laws
Domestic violence
Family law
Evidence tampering
Obstruction of justice
Tax evasion
Accounting
Finance
Money laundering
Assault
Murder
Accomplices
Lawyer Disciplinary Rules
Constitutional Laws, Freedom of Speech, Self Incrimination
Banking Fraud
Forensic science, physical and financial
And more.

There’s so much more here when you look at it from a drone’s view.
We would love to hear something, anything. We have heard what all the agencies have agreed the public can hear to this point. We are all waiting. Family. Friends. WS. Connecticut citizens. New Yorkers. The World.
I’m nosy. Impatient. Want to add my two cents worth bc I’m a control freak.
It’s in other hands. Trust the other hands. They could inadvertently reveal one thing that keeps FD and MT from life behind bars. And it could ultimately be our fault they walk free bc WE wanted information. WE wanted the judges to hammer on FD and MT to reveal financial records. WE wanted Orders and then enforce compliance by contempt, fines or civil jail time.
Maybe WE should wait. Be at all court appearances. Shout out where’s Jennifer???? Will FD or MT get frazzled? Probably not. Let him do more interviews. Foreign or domestic. Let him talk all he wants to talk. More good than tainting the jury pool could come out of his interviews. It’s NP that needs to be gagged.
IMOO, if WE caused them to walk, like another famous California case, how would WE feel?
I’m not so sure LE and court unsealed documents would be a good thing. We’ve already heard through local sources, some LE leaks. IMHO, those leakers should be disciplined. Certainly by their departments. Maybe even obstruction of justice.

 

[afitzy]

The house of cards these people build is incredible. The deceit in their daily walk of life is incredible. Yes, money reappears in emergency. The credit card companies can also provide where payments are coming from. Have to believe Weinstein has pursued this?

Yes, I have absolute confidence and his PI are all over this house of cards and will take it apart piece by piece until there is no more left. Its painful to watch due to the time it takes and the abuse of process that we are seeing in the courtroom IMO. But, it will happen and I will be happy that it might provide GF and the children some measure of peace. MOO

 

[afitzy]

QUOTE="Midwestmom2019, post: 15566317, member: 247495"]As I read your post, I agreed with all of your comments.
After mulling it over, I came to a different conclusion.
SILENCE IS GOLDEN.
This is an unprecedented case spanning:
Civil law
Criminal law
State laws
Federal laws
International laws
Domestic violence
Family law
Evidence tampering
Obstruction of justice
Tax evasion
Accounting
Finance
Money laundering
Assault
Murder
Accomplices
Lawyer Disciplinary Rules
Constitutional Laws, Freedom of Speech, Self Incrimination
Banking Fraud
Forensic science, physical and financial
And more.

There’s so much more here when you look at it from a drone’s view.
We would love to hear something, anything. We have heard what all the agencies have agreed the public can hear to this point. We are all waiting. Family. Friends. WS. Connecticut citizens. New Yorkers. The World.
I’m nosy. Impatient. Want to add my two cents worth bc I’m a control freak.
It’s in other hands. Trust the other hands. They could inadvertently reveal one thing that keeps FD and MT from life behind bars. And it could ultimately be our fault they walk free bc WE wanted information. WE wanted the judges to hammer on FD and MT to reveal financial records. WE wanted Orders and then enforce compliance by contempt, fines or civil jail time.
Maybe WE should wait. Be at all court appearances. Shout out where’s Jennifer???? Will FD or MT get frazzled? Probably not. Let him do more interviews. Foreign or domestic. Let him talk all he wants to talk. More good than tainting the jury pool could come out of his interviews. It’s NP that needs to be gagged.
IMOO, if WE caused them to walk, like another famous California case, how would WE feel?
I’m not so sure LE and court unsealed documents would be a good thing. We’ve already heard through local sources, some LE leaks. IMHO, those leakers should be disciplined. Certainly by their departments. Maybe even obstruction of justice.[/QUOTE]
Yes, I'm with you on waiting.

Yes, the case complexity is amazing to see and as your list clearly demonstrates. We are still waiting on Judges orders in both Family Court and Civil Court. Criminal Court seems dormant to the public at least until January unless we see additional charges brought against FD and MT or some other person not known now.

There was the now classic wine ad for Paul Masson I believe and their tag line was, "No Wine Before its Time" and I do believe there is a time for everything and the time for more information on this heartbreaking case in Criminal Court isn't now.

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So, I will just continue sleuthing the FORE/FD real estate which has been a quite boring project but might help to better understand precisely how much $$$ FD/FORE made over the years.

To help with the waiting someone had the brilliant (I thought!) idea of putting together a forum to put some music out there on some of the topics we are seeing in this tragic Dulos case. I just head over the forum and take a break sometimes when thinking about things here and it oddly helps IMO. Feel free to add songs at will and there is the beginnings of a pretty great line up from all genres too!

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/dedication-line-strength-vulnerability-
justice.484523/


MOO

 

[Midwestmom2019]

The thing is that the folks here on WS would know that the State just requested that the arrest warrant seals be extended. To me this means that the investigation is ongoing and that maintaining the seals is important to maintaining the integrity of the investigation.

I don't think I've ever doubted that the State was working hard to put the 10,000 piece puzzle together here with no box top picture (loved this visual by whoever first described the case this way as I think its perfect for his sad case BTW).

Chief K from NCPD said in one of his interviews that the investigation was ongoing and the NCPD social media was quite clear that anyone involved with the disappearance of JF would be brought to justice.

I chose to believe these statements from Chief K and only time will tell if he was telling the truth (I hope he was!). Spokesperson Foley didn't really add much information to the public dialog about the substance of the case but I thought did an ok job explaining the commitment of the LE workers at MIRA which I thought was commendable as that task sounded horrific.

MOO

Thanks. My visual bc as a kid I remember the painstaking work involved in piecing one of these puzzles together even with the picture available. Without the visual?
We need to keep our senses in tune to any little piece of this 10,000 piece puzzle. LE may not have inherited every single piece when they opened the box. Someone may stumble across a piece anywhere. At the park. On a hiking trail. Hunting in the defoliated woods. Keep a conversation going at all times. Just as one piece could set them free, one piece could lock the case up. Needle in a haystack as the old saying goes.

 

[afitzy]

Thanks. My visual bc as a kid I remember the painstaking work involved in piecing one of these puzzles together even with the picture available. Without the visual?
We need to keep our senses in tune to any little piece of this 10,000 piece puzzle. LE may not have inherited every single piece when they opened the box. Someone may stumble across a piece anywhere. At the park. On a hiking trail. Hunting in the defoliated woods. Keep a conversation going at all times. Just as one piece could set them free, one piece could lock the case up. Needle in a haystack as the old saying goes.

I'm finding the Berreth case hugely encouraging as LE in that case had many hurdles in terms of evidence and never found a body. But the testimony and witness accounts so far have given me renewed hope as to the forensic and investigative possibilities present in the Dulos case.

I also have the song "Patience" on replay and that is helping (a bit.....)!

MOO

 

[afitzy]

Thanks. My visual bc as a kid I remember the painstaking work involved in piecing one of these puzzles together even with the picture available. Without the visual?
We need to keep our senses in tune to any little piece of this 10,000 piece puzzle. LE may not have inherited every single piece when they opened the box. Someone may stumble across a piece anywhere. At the park. On a hiking trail. Hunting in the defoliated woods. Keep a conversation going at all times. Just as one piece could set them free, one piece could lock the case up. Needle in a haystack as the old saying goes.

The puzzle visual is so perfect and I'm sorry that I forgot it was you that brought it up. Just bringing this image into the brain when the frustration sets in makes it easier to then step back and realise there is such a big story to tell here and it won't necessarily be quickly or easily told.

MOO

 

[Midwestmom2019]

THIS. The official credit card records will show all. Get/Demand/Motion to Compel/Subpoena a credit report and records of where the payments are coming from. This will tell all, IMO. FD will happily default rather than provide these voluntarily. Also, credit card companies will happily continue to provide credit as long as timely payments are forthcoming. Happily involved in my own default judgment process with a psychopath. Until you have met one of these people in the flesh, you have no idea what it is like. It is horrifying to somebody looking from the outside in. To be in the middle of it? Unspeakable. Godspeed, Gail Farber.

I’m inclined to think the money is being funneled through an attorney. Either the guy in NY who gets the Greek Benefactor money, or any of his attorneys. Credit card company will show a lawyer making the monthly payments. And we’re back to square one.

 

[BellaVita]

I'm finding the Berreth case hugely encouraging as LE in that case had many hurdles in terms of evidence and never found a body. But the testimony and witness accounts so far have given me renewed hope as to the forensic and investigative possibilities present in the Dulos case.

I also have the song "Patience" on replay and that is helping (a bit.....)!

MOO

Aah, the very young Axl Rose.

 

[joypath]

IMO: real, truthful, VERIFIED information is power....for both sides, one to present within the court system & the other possibly to "spin" in ANY arena. Any exculpatory evidence must be presented to the defense ( mind the fact that said info would be that which impacts the current charges, emphasis on current!), nothing needs to be presented to the public aka "the jury pool".
Just a small factoid: none of us in public service want/need unsolved cases, rest assured that the investigators remain active!
MOO
Another reminder: time never runs out on homicide cases.

 

[citygirl]

Thanks. My visual bc as a kid I remember the painstaking work involved in piecing one of these puzzles together even with the picture available. Without the visual?
We need to keep our senses in tune to any little piece of this 10,000 piece puzzle. LE may not have inherited every single piece when they opened the box. Someone may stumble across a piece anywhere. At the park. On a hiking trail. Hunting in the defoliated woods. Keep a conversation going at all times. Just as one piece could set them free, one piece could lock the case up. Needle in a haystack as the old saying goes.

BBM.
I recall an interview with a local who walked regularly at one of the West Hartford reservoirs. They had just finished searching for the second time. We feel she COULD be here and will never stop looking and paying attention ( paraphrasing ).
We are intent on finding her.
MOO.

 

[sds71]

Farber v. Fore group
244.00 11/12/2019 P MOTION FOR ORDER

Motion to Compel Responses from Michelle Troconis

Some of MTs Deposition is included in this motion

 

[kimch33kim]

Funny she said she was staying at the residence inn. I thought she moved out of there after she moved her belonging out of 4 JC the first time.

 

[afitzy]

In following the Berreth trial the following article was posted about conviction rates in 'no-body' murders and IMO it makes for [REDACTED] interesting reading, particularly in light of FD 'love of numbers' and for Atty. P. [who IMO doesn't have a case]:

Frazee Trial: "No body" murder trials carry high conviction rates

Quotes from article:
"Tad DiBiase worked as an assistant U.S. attorney for more than a decade in Washington D.C. He said having evidence of the victim's body is a pivotal piece to solving a murder and charging the suspect responsible".

"The body is really the best piece of evidence in a murder case. When you have the body, you typically will know how the murder happened," DiBiase said.

"However, statistics show it's not as much of a problem for prosecutors as one might think".

"DiBiase's research shows so-called "no body" murders carry a conviction rate of 88 percent. That's compared to just 70 percent for murders where the victim's body or remains are included in the evidence, according to the Department of Justice".

"When working as a federal prosecutor, DiBiase took on a "no body" case. He realized there wasn't a central hub with information available with information on "no body" murders, deciding to compile one himself".

"DiBiase said the high rate, though initially surprising, is partially explained by the prosecutors' case selection".

"When a 'no body' case goes to trial, a prosecutor is only going to take the strong cases to trial, because there's such an obvious defense if you don't have the body," DiBiase said.

"The obvious defense would be questioning whether Berreth is actually dead, so DiBiase said prosecutors will then rely heavily on circumstantial evidence. For example, he expects the testimony of Krystal Kenney, Frazee's girlfriend, to be important in court, as prosecutors said Kenney provided details on how the murder happened".

"The defense, though, is expected to attack her credibility, saying she has reason to lie about her role and/or what happened as a means of protecting herself".

MOO

 

[citygirl]

Farber v. Fore group
244.00 11/12/2019 P MOTION FOR ORDER

Motion to Compel Responses from Michelle Troconis

Some of MTs Deposition is included in this motion

Thank you, SDS!
Chock full of information , IMO.
The questions are very informative in that they seem to have a lot of evidence and have interviewed lots of players; Beth Johnson, Hutch Haines (he owns the water skiing venue in Avon) Steffen Reich(former employee and current friend of FD) Mr.Giuffria ( realtor for J4C) Others, such as, Urbanski, Giustina, Kotchick, and Engel (no clue who they are ) Yannis T.whom we have heard about before.
Also, learned that FD had an Avon storage facility.
This has been discussed in the past but I am struck by Mr.Bowman's comment that MT has serious charges pending.
MOO.

 

[Midwestmom2019]

Thank you, SDS!
Chock full of information , IMO.
The questions are very informative in that they seem to have a lot of evidence and have interviewed lots of players; Beth Johnson, Hutch Haines (he owns the water skiing venue in Avon) Steffen Reich(former employee and current friend of FD) Mr.Giuffria ( realtor for J4C) Others, such as, Urbanski, Giustina, Kotchick, and Engel (no clue who they are ) Yannis T.whom we have heard about before.
Also, learned that FD had an Avon storage facility.
This has been discussed in the past but I am struck by Mr.Bowman's comment that MT has serious charges pending.
MOO.

Scaring his client to justify high legal fees.

 

[citygirl]

Scaring his client to justify high legal fees.

You mean Bowman?

 

[afitzy]

Farber v. Fore group
244.00 11/12/2019 P MOTION FOR ORDER

Motion to Compel Responses from Michelle Troconis

Some of MTs Deposition is included in this motion

BINGO! The old phrases "ask and ye shall receive" and "karma is a [REDACTED]" so clearly come to mind when reading these questions directed to MT.

Some NEW names introduced by Atty Weinstein and referenced to as "attendees at 4Jx dinner parties":

1. Beth Johnson
2. Hutch Haines

Other Names Mentioned in the Document:
1. Steffen Reich
2. Mr. Guiffria
3. Mr Urbanski (Accountant for FORE Group)
4. Mr. Guistina (NEW Accountant who approved the conversion of FIL loans to equity)
5. Peter Kotchick
6. John Engle
7. Yannis Toutziardis

AND 123 Hunter, West Hartford property transaction IS BACK! Oddly though Sue Morin wasn't mentioned by Atty Weinstein? Perhaps we might see her back as a witness for the Plaintiff which IMO would be QUITE interesting.

FD has a Storage Locker at Avon Storage!

Atty [REDACTED] Bowman appears QUITE concerned about MT and possible 'CONSPIRACY' charges and this issue along with the pending Criminal Case (and possible further criminal charges) is cited as the reason behind MT invoking the 5th Amendment FOR EVERY QUESTION in the deposition.

Another interesting observation in the deposition was that FD just might have sent MT into NYC to find the Probate documents for the Farber Estate. Must remember to add this possible 'fact' to the MOTIVE LIST. If true then there seems to be zero way for MT to squeeze out of saying she didn't know anything about the Farber family wealth and JF Trusts.

Oh what a tangled web we have here. Tick Tock Tick Tock, MT and FD as the deposition makes them appear to be connected at the [REDACTED].

FD seemed to be pushing MT to get a real estate licence and he was also supposedly trying to extract 'fees' to be paid to her from his real estate listing agents. Not surprising MT NEVER got her real estate licence.

READY, SET, GO/SLEUTH!

MOO

 

[sds71]

Thank you, SDS!
Chock full of information , IMO.
The questions are very informative in that they seem to have a lot of evidence and have interviewed lots of players; Beth Johnson, Hutch Haines (he owns the water skiing venue in Avon) Steffen Reich(former employee and current friend of FD) Mr.Giuffria ( realtor for J4C) Others, such as, Urbanski, Giustina, Kotchick, and Engel (no clue who they are ) Yannis T.whom we have heard about before.
Also, learned that FD had an Avon storage facility.
This has been discussed in the past but I am struck by Mr.Bowman's comment that MT has serious charges pending.
MOO.

Haines owns the storage place also

 

[Midwestmom2019]

Haines owns the storage place also

Water ski locker AND a different storage facility.....Take your pick. AND he’s still a friend of FD, right?
I’ve watched too many tv reality crime dramas.
How close are these facilities to JD house? Maybe one or both of these served as the stopping off point before final disposal?
Surely, LE has at least checked the water skiing locker in FD’s name. But what if his friend loaned FD use of a different storage room/locker? At the other facility???????

 

[citygirl]

BINGO! The old phrases "ask and ye shall receive" and "karma is a [REDACTED]" so clearly come to mind when reading these questions directed to MT.

Some NEW names introduced by Atty Weinstein and referenced to as "attendees at 4Jx dinner parties":

1. Beth Johnson
2. Hutch Haines

Other Names Mentioned in the Document:
1. Steffen Reich
2. Mr. Guiffria
3. Mr Urbanski (Accountant for FORE Group)
4. Mr. Guistina (NEW Accountant who approved the conversion of FIL loans to equity)
5. Peter Kotchick
6. John Engle
7. Yannis Toutziardis

AND 123 Hunter, West Hartford property transaction IS BACK! Oddly though Sue Morin wasn't mentioned by Atty Weinstein? Perhaps we might see her back as a witness for the Plaintiff which IMO would be QUITE interesting.

FD has a Storage Locker at Avon Storage!

Atty [REDACTED] Bowman appears QUITE concerned about MT and possible 'CONSPIRACY' charges and this issue along with the pending Criminal Case (and possible further criminal charges) is cited as the reason behind MT invoking the 5th Amendment FOR EVERY QUESTION in the deposition.

Another interesting observation in the deposition was that FD just might have sent MT into NYC to find the Probate documents for the Farber Estate. Must remember to add this possible 'fact' to the MOTIVE LIST. If true then there seems to be zero way for MT to squeeze out of saying she didn't know anything about the Farber family wealth and JF Trusts.

Oh what a tangled web we have here. Tick Tock Tick Tock, MT and FD as the deposition makes them appear to be connected at the [REDACTED].

FD seemed to be pushing MT to get a real estate licence and he was also supposedly trying to extract 'fees' to be paid to her from his real estate listing agents. Not surprising MT NEVER got her real estate licence.

READY, SET, GO/SLEUTH!

MOO

Clearly to me, MT is all in.
She is complicit.
Really sad for her daughter, IMO.

Water ski locker AND a different storage facility.....Take your pick. AND he’s still a friend of FD, right?
I’ve watched too many tv reality crime dramas.
How close are these facilities to JD house? Maybe one or both of these served as the stopping off point before final disposal?
Surely, LE has at least checked the water skiing locker in FD’s name. But what if his friend loaned FD use of a different storage room/locker? At the other facility???????

BBM.
Not so sure about this.
MOO.