Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #31

[afitzy]

Can't the local authorities request FBI assistance on cases, especially in areas where the local LE may benefit from the resources of the FBI?

Yes, local LE can request FBI assistance. CT State Police brought in the FBI almost immediately here (been trying to figure out the precise date but my guess is 4/26 or 4/27 as the specialised FBI Evidence Team was clearly visible during the week long search of Waveny Park. We don't know which other FBI teams were/are involved with the case unfortunately but my guess is that the specialised electronics sniffing dogs and technology might have been FBI.

Regarding the CT State Police, around the time of the MIRA searches there were a couple of good articles that talked about some of the individuals involved in the Dulos case as it looked to be an experienced team. The reality is that this crime happened in CT, so CT State Police are running the show and will ultimately be held accountable along with State Atty Colangelo for the prosecution of the case against MT and FD. The lead Detective whose name I believe is Kimball (his name is on AWs) is supposedly one of the most senior detectives in the State Police.

With the idea of attempting to be positive and supportive of LE in this case, I believe the focus and dedication shown during the MIRA search during very challenging weather conditions this summer was admirable. IMO there looked to be solid teamwork between NCPD and State Police which helped I think in the early and quick processing of Welles crime scene such that search warrants could be obtained and the investigation moved to Farmington. We saw little to no participation from Farmington PD and this has always baffled me.

The public saw Spokesperson Foley address the Press a couple of times during the MIRA search period and the public also heard from NCPD Chief K in the early days of the case but he has said nothing for months now. States Atty Colangelo has never addressed the public in this case thus far and so far as I know has not been formally interviewed by the Press. The early days of the case saw a handful of press releases but the past few months have been absolute radio silence from LE. Why?

Communication with the public when conducting a complicated and ongoing investigation is a tricky proposition IMO. In other missing and murder cases, however, we have seen an ongoing priority made by LE to communicate with the public if only to say the investigation is ongoing etc. Some PDs choose to go the press statement route and simply post it on social media or the PD website and this works too to maintain some level of contact with the public and to demonstrate commitment to justice on their behalf. These ongoing statements from LE or a Prosecutor IMO serve as a bridge between LE conducting the investigation and the public who cares about the victim. In the Dulos case we have had next to no communication and I'm not sure I have an explanation but I have to say the lack of communication has been disappointing and I also believe it to be disrespectful to the missing/presumed deceased victim in this tragic case and the public at large.

I think all here have an appreciation for the task at hand for LE in the Dulos case and I have no doubt that there are any number of dedicated and caring individuals present in the States Atty's Office, State Police and NCPD that are working very hard to achieve Justice for Jennifer. I guess where I have been profoundly disappointed in the State Police so far is in maintaining any level of contact with the public on the case and I'm not sure what exactly is driving this absence of communication? I'd have to check the exact dates but my recollection is that no member of LE or the States Attys office has addressed the Dulos case publicly since Spokesperson Foley spoke outside of the MIRA plant (We did see Chief K interviewed briefly on TV).

IMO communication from the State Police (or its absence) has done zero to inspire any level of confidence in the public about the work that is being done on behalf of JF in this case. I am saying this even as I know that there are many dedicated LE people working hard on the case. But, communication is important, showing emotion and caring for the victim and their family in a public way is important and LE doesn't exist in a bubble/vacuum that is disconnected from the public.

Sometimes when you see a member of LE do an incredible job communicating with the public, it makes it so much easier to understand the importance of public communication in ongoing criminal investigations and how the bunker like mentality of the CT State Police/States Atty's Office is tough to understand in a missing/murder case such as the Dulos case IMO.

I'm not sure what drives the bunker like mentality in CT and so I won't even hazard a guess here. I do know that no matter how much work has happened behind the scenes by caring and dedicated CT State Police officers and staff, the sad fact was that we had a missing (now presumed deceased) JF who was thrashed brutally in the press for months by defense counsel in a way that I personally found to be unprofessional and at times unlawful, and we heard not one word in defense of JF from the State of CT ever. I don't think I would be human if I said that this lack of public caring and empathy from the State of CT for a victim didn't bother me greatly. It did bother me greatly to the extent that I believe the public communication from the State of CT in the Dulos case has been amongst the worst I've seen when compared to other similar cases over the years.

Missing people aren't here to defend themselves and JF was lucky enough to have her friend Carrie Luft make statements through this process. But IMO those brilliant statements were absolutely no substitute for hearing from the actual people responsible for prosecuting this case be it the State Police or the States Atty or some spokesperson who can maintain an ongoing relationship with the public. Because we haven't heard from anyone in this case it simply seems that LE is hiding from the public for reasons unknown.

I don't think anyone that understands the investigative process has any issues with LE keeping investigative details close to the vest and the public clearly has no right to anything that could compromise the case IMO. But, this 'need to know issue' seems IMO to have been used as a possible excuse for not speaking for JF who is sadly and tragically not here to speak for herself or letting the public know that the hard work going on behind the scenes in ongoing and that the State of CT is committed to seeking justice in this case.

What appeared to happen to JD involved a horrific and violent crime in a relatively safe part of the State and many members of the public care deeply about this case and justice. So, to have no ongoing dialog with anyone involved with the investigation from the State of CT is not just upsetting but its somewhat disturbing too as I really wonder if LE is so disconnected as to think that there is no value in public communication on violent crime?

Recently in the FL case of another missing/murdered Mom of 1 outside of Orlando, there was a local Sheriff who IMO was probably about as good as I've seen recently in terms of being a vocal advocate seeking justice for a missing/murdered person and his passion and outrage along with great commitment to the case was IMO brilliant and inspiring. He told the public about the victim and the general details of the dedicated officers who were working around the clock on the case and it was clear to anyone listening to him that he and everyone involved in the case cared deeply. He didn't compromise his investigation by speaking, he didn't look weak by showing emotion and expressing anger and disgust at the state of the remains when they were located IMO. My sense was that the local population in his community respected his integrity and commitment to the victim and the case greatly, even if they might have had other issues with local LE.

IDK why the State of CT doesn't feel compelled to address the public in a general way in the Dulos case? Maybe some day we will learn more as to what exactly drove this choice (I do hope its been a choice made by LE and that we don't have a situation where the State is simply tone deaf?).

There is always an ongoing dynamic relationship and dialog between government and the people in the US, which is why the absence of dialog is even harder to understand in this case. Perhaps its just the way things are done in CT? I suppose if we had a stronger press contingent in CT that perhaps someone in the Press could perhaps explain why we have heard nothing from the State about the Dulos case? IDK, but watching this all play out now for over 5 months has has been hugely disappointing to someone who believes that people matter and victims need a voice as they aren't here to defend themselves.

MOO

 

[pernickety]

I don't know anything about the reputation of the CT State Police, but it appears they invited the FBI in early for part of the investigation, at least from the pictures shown in the media. I did find this on the question and answer page for the FBI:

State and local law enforcement agencies are not subordinate to the FBI, and the FBI does not supervise or take over their investigations. Instead, the investigative resources of the FBI and state and local agencies are often pooled in a common effort to investigate and solve the cases.
Frequently Asked Questions — FBI
www.fbi.gov/about/faqs

Guess we'll both wait for someone in CT or someone "in the know" to answer the question about CT State Police.

From early reports:

Blood found in Jennifer Dulos’ home, search shifts to N.Y.

https://nypost.com/2019/05/31/searc...icut-mom-jennifer-dulos-moves-to-westchester/

The search did go over into NY state (Pound Ridge). Though no mention if NY LE was involved. Wouldn’t that be enough for FBI involvement?

 

[Alathea]

Yes, local LE can request FBI assistance. CT State Police brought in the FBI almost immediately here (been trying to figure out the precise date but my guess is 4/26 or 4/27 as the specialised FBI Evidence Team was clearly visible during the week long search of Waveny Park. We don't know which other FBI teams were/are involved with the case unfortunately but my guess is that the specialised electronics sniffing dogs and technology might have been FBI.

Regarding the CT State Police, around the time of the MIRA searches there were a couple of good articles that talked about some of the individuals involved in the Dulos case as it looked to be an experienced team. The reality is that this crime happened in CT, so CT State Police are running the show and will ultimately be held accountable along with State Atty Colangelo for the prosecution of the case against MT and FD. The lead Detective whose name I believe is Kimball (his name is on AWs) is supposedly one of the most senior detectives in the State Police.

With the idea of attempting to be positive and supportive of LE in this case, I believe the focus and dedication shown during the MIRA search during very challenging weather conditions this summer was admirable. IMO there looked to be solid teamwork between NCPD and State Police which helped I think in the early and quick processing of Welles crime scene such that search warrants could be obtained and the investigation moved to Farmington. We saw little to no participation from Farmington PD and this has always baffled me.

The public saw Spokesperson Foley address the Press a couple of times during the MIRA search period and the public also heard from NCPD Chief K in the early days of the case but he has said nothing for months now. States Atty Colangelo has never addressed the public in this case thus far and so far as I know has not been formally interviewed by the Press. The early days of the case saw a handful of press releases but the past few months have been absolute radio silence from LE. Why?

Communication with the public when conducting a complicated and ongoing investigation is a tricky proposition IMO. In other missing and murder cases, however, we have seen an ongoing priority made by LE to communicate with the public if only to say the investigation is ongoing etc. Some PDs choose to go the press statement route and simply post it on social media or the PD website and this works too to maintain some level of contact with the public and to demonstrate commitment to justice on their behalf. These ongoing statements from LE or a Prosecutor IMO serve as a bridge between LE conducting the investigation and the public who cares about the victim. In the Dulos case we have had next to no communication and I'm not sure I have an explanation but I have to say the lack of communication has been disappointing and I also believe it to be disrespectful to the missing/presumed deceased victim in this tragic case and the public at large.

I think all here have an appreciation for the task at hand for LE in the Dulos case and I have no doubt that there are any number of dedicated and caring individuals present in the States Atty's Office, State Police and NCPD that are working very hard to achieve Justice for Jennifer. I guess where I have been profoundly disappointed in the State Police so far is in maintaining any level of contact with the public on the case and I'm not sure what exactly is driving this absence of communication? I'd have to check the exact dates but my recollection is that no member of LE or the States Attys office has addressed the Dulos case publicly since Spokesperson Foley spoke outside of the MIRA plant (We did see Chief K interviewed briefly on TV).

IMO communication from the State Police (or its absence) has done zero to inspire any level of confidence in the public about the work that is being done on behalf of JF in this case. I am saying this even as I know that there are many dedicated LE people working hard on the case. But, communication is important, showing emotion and caring for the victim and their family in a public way is important and LE doesn't exist in a bubble/vacuum that is disconnected from the public.

Sometimes when you see a member of LE do an incredible job communicating with the public, it makes it so much easier to understand the importance of public communication in ongoing criminal investigations and how the bunker like mentality of the CT State Police/States Atty's Office is tough to understand in a missing/murder case such as the Dulos case IMO.

I'm not sure what drives the bunker like mentality in CT and so I won't even hazard a guess here. I do know that no matter how much work has happened behind the scenes by caring and dedicated CT State Police officers and staff, the sad fact was that we had a missing (now presumed deceased) JF who was thrashed brutally in the press for months by defense counsel in a way that I personally found to be unprofessional and at times unlawful, and we heard not one word in defense of JF from the State of CT ever. I don't think I would be human if I said that this lack of public caring and empathy from the State of CT for a victim didn't bother me greatly. It did bother me greatly to the extent that I believe the public communication from the State of CT in the Dulos case has been amongst the worst I've seen when compared to other similar cases over the years.

Missing people aren't here to defend themselves and JF was lucky enough to have her friend Carrie Luft make statements through this process. But IMO those brilliant statements were absolutely no substitute for hearing from the actual people responsible for prosecuting this case be it the State Police or the States Atty or some spokesperson who can maintain an ongoing relationship with the public. Because we haven't heard from anyone in this case it simply seems that LE is hiding from the public for reasons unknown.

I don't think anyone that understands the investigative process has any issues with LE keeping investigative details close to the vest and the public clearly has no right to anything that could compromise the case IMO. But, this 'need to know issue' seems IMO to have been used as a possible excuse for not speaking for JF who is sadly and tragically not here to speak for herself or letting the public know that the hard work going on behind the scenes in ongoing and that the State of CT is committed to seeking justice in this case.

What appeared to happen to JD involved a horrific and violent crime in a relatively safe part of the State and many members of the public care deeply about this case and justice. So, to have no ongoing dialog with anyone involved with the investigation from the State of CT is not just upsetting but its somewhat disturbing too as I really wonder if LE is so disconnected as to think that there is no value in public communication on violent crime?

Recently in the FL case of another missing/murdered Mom of 1 outside of Orlando, there was a local Sheriff who IMO was probably about as good as I've seen recently in terms of being a vocal advocate seeking justice for a missing/murdered person and his passion and outrage along with great commitment to the case was IMO brilliant and inspiring. He told the public about the victim and the general details of the dedicated officers who were working around the clock on the case and it was clear to anyone listening to him that he and everyone involved in the case cared deeply. He didn't compromise his investigation by speaking, he didn't look weak by showing emotion and expressing anger and disgust at the state of the remains when they were located IMO. My sense was that the local population in his community respected his integrity and commitment to the victim and the case greatly, even if they might have had other issues with local LE.

IDK why the State of CT doesn't feel compelled to address the public in a general way in the Dulos case? Maybe some day we will learn more as to what exactly drove this choice (I do hope its been a choice made by LE and that we don't have a situation where the State is simply tone deaf?).

There is always an ongoing dynamic relationship and dialog between government and the people in the US, which is why the absence of dialog is even harder to understand in this case. Perhaps its just the way things are done in CT? I suppose if we had a stronger press contingent in CT that perhaps someone in the Press could perhaps explain why we have heard nothing from the State about the Dulos case? IDK, but watching this all play out now for over 5 months has has been hugely disappointing to someone who believes that people matter and victims need a voice as they aren't here to defend themselves.

MOO

I agree communication is important, but it could be that LE is wary of saying anything that NP and team could take and blow out of proportion / misuse somehow, plus the gag order may cover them as well (or at least they are abiding by it just to be on the safe side).

 

[afitzy]

From early reports:

Blood found in Jennifer Dulos’ home, search shifts to N.Y.

https://nypost.com/2019/05/31/searc...icut-mom-jennifer-dulos-moves-to-westchester/

The search did go over into NY state (Pound Ridge). Though no mention if NY LE was involved. Wouldn’t that be enough for FBI involvement?

FBI was involved early at Waveny (you can see pictures of them in their FBI jackets in the media thread).

One of the CT stations had good photos of the Pound Ridge search (up to the long driveway of the former Farber house) and it had NY State Police SUVs along with other LE clearly present. I ran into these Pound Ridge photos when I was working on trying to figure out the first weeks timeline (still not done BTW - life intervened!).

There is a good working relationship with NY State Police and most of the local lower Fairfield County PDs IMO.

MOO

 

[citygirl]

I agree communication is important, but it could be that LE is wary of saying anything that NP and team could take and blow out of proportion / misuse somehow, plus the gag order may cover them as well (or at least they are abiding by it just to be on the safe side).

Not so sure about this.
Is LE really wary of NP?
If so,why should they be?
MOO?

 

[afitzy]

I agree communication is important, but it could be that LE is wary of saying anything that NP and team could take and blow out of proportion / misuse somehow, plus the gag order may cover them as well (or at least they are abiding by it just to be on the safe side).

Possible, but we have had gag orders in other cases that were quite strict and I never got the sense that LE was hiding, for lack of a better word. I've seen cases where LE subjects themselves to weeks of pressers without answering any questions simply because they are committed to the process of questioning from the Press and the Public. It was painful to watch and it was painful for the Prosecutor but they still did it.

IMO a skilled spokesperson would have zero issue communicating with gag order in place and not engaging in a tit for tat with Pattisville. Perhaps the lack of communication was at the request of the Farber family? IDK.

But I would have thought that the family and children would have been devastated over the Pattisville antics that went on way too long IMO. The sad thing is that the 5 Dulos children will read the press accounts of this sad case many years from now and will see that nobody was standing up for their mother from the State of CT in the early days of this case. Its all quite sad as I believe that there are many people hard at work in this case, but the optics of the communication IMO is simply baffling.
MOO

 

[Alathea]

I’m referring to this:
HABIB MICHAEL J 1986 New Haven GA 23 Pre-Trial 12/02/2019 10:00 AM

N23N-CR19-0223214-S

Not these:
Description Class Type Occ Offense Date Plea Verdict Finding
21a-279(b) NONSTDNT-DRGS NEAR SCH/DAY CR A Misdemeanor 1 10/31/2019
21a-277(b(2A* *** INTNT SEL/DSPNS NO NRC/HAL U Felony

Thanks for the clarification. I wasn't aware at first that he had a prior likely DUI that he's dealing with. I just knew about the Halloween felony arrest. I've attached both here for clarification, if anyone is interested.

As a reminder, Habib is Fotis Dulos's new attorney, having shown up in place of NP in the latest hearing.

The top image shows both arrests. The top line on that screenshot is the older one from New Haven, and could be a DUI, and is indeed sealed, as @sds71 mentioned.


The new arrest from this Halloween in Waterbury (with 2 new charges - one a misdemeanor and one a felony) is the second image.


Habib's felony charge (one of the 2 new charges):
Connecticut General Statutes 21a-277 – Penalty for illegal manufacture, distribution, sale, prescription, dispensing
(a)(1) No person may manufacture, distribute, sell, prescribe, dispense, compound, transport with the intent to sell or dispense, possess with the intent to sell or dispense, offer, give or administer to another person, except as authorized in this chapter, any controlled substance that is a (A) narcotic substance, or (B) hallucinogenic substance.

His next court date shows as being 11/12/19 at 10am.

 

[Alathea]

Possible, but we have had gag orders in other cases that were quite strict and I never got the sense that LE was hiding, for lack of a better word. I've seen cases where LE subjects themselves to weeks of pressers without answering any questions simply because they are committed to the process of questioning from the Press and the Public. It was painful to watch and it was painful for the Prosecutor but they still did it.

IMO a skilled spokesperson would have zero issue communicating with gag order in place and not engaging in a tit for tat with Pattisville. Perhaps the lack of communication was at the request of the Farber family? IDK.

But I would have thought that the family and children would have been devastated over the Pattisville antics that went on way too long IMO. The sad thing is that the 5 Dulos children will read the press accounts of this sad case many years from now and will see that nobody was standing up for their mother from the State of CT in the early days of this case. Its all quite sad as I believe that there are many people hard at work in this case, but the optics of the communication IMO is simply baffling.
MOO

OK. I see what you mean. I have no answers; hopefully we will hear some soon.

 

[Tink56]

Thanks for the clarification. I wasn't aware at first that he had a prior likely DUI that he's dealing with. I just knew about the Halloween felony arrest. I've attached both here for clarification, if anyone is interested.

As a reminder, Habib is Fotis Dulos's new attorney, having shown up in place of NP in the latest hearing.

The top image shows both arrests. The top line on that screenshot is the older one from New Haven, and could be a DUI, and is indeed sealed, as @sds71 mentioned.
View attachment 214316

The new arrest from this Halloween in Waterbury (with 2 new charges - one a misdemeanor and one a felony) is the second image.
View attachment 214317

Habib's felony charge (one of the 2 new charges):
Connecticut General Statutes 21a-277 – Penalty for illegal manufacture, distribution, sale, prescription, dispensing
(a)(1) No person may manufacture, distribute, sell, prescribe, dispense, compound, transport with the intent to sell or dispense, possess with the intent to sell or dispense, offer, give or administer to another person, except as authorized in this chapter, any controlled substance that is a (A) narcotic substance, or (B) hallucinogenic substance.

His next court date shows as being 11/12/19 at 10am.

UGH! Just realized there will probably be another delay in the "eviction" case as FD will need to find another stellar attorney...DOUBLE UGH!

 

[sleuth66]

Thanks for the clarification. I wasn't aware at first that he had a prior likely DUI that he's dealing with. I just knew about the Halloween felony arrest. I've attached both here for clarification, if anyone is interested.

As a reminder, Habib is Fotis Dulos's new attorney, having shown up in place of NP in the latest hearing.

The top image shows both arrests. The top line on that screenshot is the older one from New Haven, and could be a DUI, and is indeed sealed, as @sds71 mentioned.
View attachment 214316

The new arrest from this Halloween in Waterbury (with 2 new charges - one a misdemeanor and one a felony) is the second image.
View attachment 214317

Habib's felony charge (one of the 2 new charges):
Connecticut General Statutes 21a-277 – Penalty for illegal manufacture, distribution, sale, prescription, dispensing
(a)(1) No person may manufacture, distribute, sell, prescribe, dispense, compound, transport with the intent to sell or dispense, possess with the intent to sell or dispense, offer, give or administer to another person, except as authorized in this chapter, any controlled substance that is a (A) narcotic substance, or (B) hallucinogenic substance.

His next court date shows as being 11/12/19 at 10am.

The new lawyer that showed up with FD at his last court appearance wasn’t Habib, it was Chris LaTronica (in place of NP).
Habib is FDs new lawyer in the civil case involving GF. The last court appearance was for the tampering and hindering charges.

Hard to keep track of the revolving door/buffet table of FDs upstanding legal representation. In this case, we don’t only need to track court dates and cases of the suspect, but of his attorneys as well.

 

[joypath]

CT. LEOs are learning to keep mum regarding open cases et al. I am very biased (DH is retired trooper & me, State employee), have a phenomenal relationships with State/local/academic LEOs & respect the tight lipped nature of the ONGOING investigation. YES, ongoing & active "case planning" to reach the outcome of justice.
This is a complex case, the civil case can/is/will effect a criminal case & that must be avoided.
Regarding assisting legal enforcement agencies, cooperation is the norm vs "competition" (the nightmare of Sandy Hook united the "all in this together" within public service/protection).
Protecting the sources & the victim's family is a high priority, too.

I have faith that more is coming, after all, we are the State where a homicide was adjudicated from a bone chip & the wood chipper!

 

[Alathea]

The new lawyer that showed up with FD at his last court appearance wasn’t Habib, it was Chris LaTronica (in place of NP).
Habib is FDs new lawyer in the civil case involving GF. The last court appearance was for the tampering and hindering charges.

Hard to keep track of the revolving door/buffet table of FDs upstanding legal representation. In this case, we don’t only need to track court dates and cases of the suspect, but of his attorneys as well.

Thank you - I was indeed getting them mixed up. It has indeed been a revolving door of shady attorneys. I need an Excel spreadsheet just for the attorneys.

 

[Morgan10028]

Thanks for the clarification. I wasn't aware at first that he had a prior likely DUI that he's dealing with. I just knew about the Halloween felony arrest. I've attached both here for clarification, if anyone is interested.

As a reminder, Habib is Fotis Dulos's new attorney, having shown up in place of NP in the latest hearing.

The top image shows both arrests. The top line on that screenshot is the older one from New Haven, and could be a DUI, and is indeed sealed, as @sds71 mentioned.
View attachment 214316

The new arrest from this Halloween in Waterbury (with 2 new charges - one a misdemeanor and one a felony) is the second image.
View attachment 214317

Habib's felony charge (one of the 2 new charges):
Connecticut General Statutes 21a-277 – Penalty for illegal manufacture, distribution, sale, prescription, dispensing
(a)(1) No person may manufacture, distribute, sell, prescribe, dispense, compound, transport with the intent to sell or dispense, possess with the intent to sell or dispense, offer, give or administer to another person, except as authorized in this chapter, any controlled substance that is a (A) narcotic substance, or (B) hallucinogenic substance.

His next court date shows as being 11/12/19 at 10am.

Correction: Habib is FD's Foreclosure atty. NP is not associated with that case.

LaTronica showed up in place of NP at the last Criminal Hearing.

What's interesting about Habib's next hearing being on 11/12 is the Foreclosure Case is also on the short calendar on 11/12.

MOO

 

[Tink56]

Correction: Habib is FD's Foreclosure atty. NP is not associated with that case.

LaTronica showed up in place of NP at the last Criminal Hearing.

What's interesting about Habib's next hearing being on 11/12 is the Foreclosure Case is also on the short calendar on 11/12.

MOO

I also noticed the date conflict for "Attorney" Habib...Can he be charged with a felony and still represent a client in court. I know he hasn't been convicted, but....?????

Second thought...no attorneys need to present for the short calendar, right...MOO

 

[Jen3135]

...other differences in MT and KK charges-
Can't help but wonder how much KK's family
and her upbringing influenced her behavior
in turning on PF. She was a small town farm
girl, supposedly from a well known old farming family. Most old farmers I've known were salt
of the earth,, church on Sundays, do the right
thing kind of people. Even though KK seemed
a little errant in her ways (modern times ?) and
a bit risque in her lifestyle, she still came from decent stock, as we used to say.
Did KK's family put the wrath of God and Family into her brain to coerce her into telling the truth and also to save her hide?
We didn't see or hear anything of her mother,
was she a runaway mother? Was KK from a
'broken' home?
MT on the other hand has a mother that we know has had problems in the past in 'doing the right thing' and performing honestly in her
business. How much had MommaA influenced
her daughter to fight the charges and hold all
information close to the vest. In other words
what they don't know won't hurt them as in
LE. And since MommaA is by MT's side through this debacle, I suspect her values are
the guiding force here, along w/ Papa's money.
Plus MT and MommaA having lived in the land
of corruption, Miami/South Fl., it's the norm
there to skirt the law. You know, everybody's doin it.
Also another difference in the 2 cases and I hate to bring this up but I must- is that FBI
was heavily involved in the investigative parts
of the PF case. FBI found the TOOTH!!
FBI went after KK when she was partying in Vegas. So apparently local LE and CBI "invited" FBI to come assist. And assist they did. Just seems to me they were there throughout.
I've read that in some legal jurisdictions there
is a lot of jealousy and petty feelings about
allowing/inviting FBI to come in as local LE
often feels it makes them look deficient and that they can't handle their own investigations.
We saw lots of this locally during the Pulse
investigation. There were awkward moments
behind the scenes between local LE and FBI.

Did the new incoming Ct. State Police head have a problem inviting FBI to actively participate? Why haven't we see more assistance from FBI? I'd like to hear more about this and hope we do in the future.
This has been a very expensive investigation
and I'm not sure who Ct. LE answers to as far
as justifying the expenses and/or not having
any murder charges yet to show for it.
I think these are fair questions for Ct. State Police to answer.

I'm local (a few towns away from New Canaan) and I heard FBI was involved on day 2 or 3.

 

[Midwestmom2019]

Watching the Berreth case play out in CO has me really scratching my head wondering what MT, Mama A and Atty Bowman might be thinking about regarding their legal strategy and working the State (or not).

Is the Atty Bowman/Mama A plan to simply stay quiet and let the State play out their case? Based on what we have seen thus far with AW1 and AW2 this sadly seems like MT is simply being led to slaughter/many years in prison IMO. But maybe this is her only 'play' given what she has done and can't talk about? IDK.

Does this Atty Bowman/Mama A 'plan' involve no speaking from MT and zero assistance provided to the State? Playing this plan out over in the Berreth case perhaps would have resulted in 'life in prison with no possibility of parole' for Patrick Frazee's Mistress KK vs. her as yet unknown sentence which isn't believed to exceed 3 years and might even get her probation only.

I do wonder what Atty Bowman/Mama A could be thinking about and I hope its not the old fashioned antiquated thinking about "no body, no crime" nonsense! Those days of this theory being valid are done and dusted even in a legal backwater like CT.

Its really a toss up in my mind as to who is the more morally bankrupt mistress, MT or KK but on the surface it seems that the self preservation instinct along with basic intelligence might have propelled KK into making the deal of a lifetime with the State of CO for her testimony. I'm not sure MT has either of these characteristics and perhaps she is simply resigned to spending 10+ years in prison on the current charges plus whatever charges are stacked again her in the future? IDK. Perhaps she figures no more charges are coming and that 10 years or so in prison is better than the life sentence which would result if she started talking? IDK.

The issue though that has me scratching my head is that Patrick Frazee's Mistress also lied multiple times to the FBI and LE but she eventually was smart enough to see a way to own up to what she had seen and done. Its surprising that we haven't seen this same thing happen with MT as it doesn't appear she is cooperating with the State (yes this is speculation).

BUT, the question I have also is whether MT simply cannot do what KK did to get the excellent life saving deal because their situations are perhaps totally different? KK truly appears to have been an accessory to her BF but I wonder if this option isn't open to MT because perhaps MT was instead front and centre and present at every step of the crime including the planning and now LE has the physical evidence and possible witnesses to prove it and so there is no reason to offer up a life saving deal?

Was MT with FD at 80 MS doing much much more other than simply sweeping up and cleaning the EE truck? FD worked hard to make sure that MT was implicated almost equally and so what if he sent her off to dispose of remains? What if this is the reason that MT is unable to speak? What else could explain the MT silence other than that her speech will simply serve to sink her faster than she is already sinking in terms of additional charges and possibly even murder/manslaughter/kidnapping? Perhaps the calculus of Atty Bowman is that MT is looking at life in prison based on what she actually did do and so there is zero benefit to her speaking ever and that her best shot is simply a jury trial on current and future charges?

IDK. I'm not sure there is a jury anywhere in the US that after hearing about the MT history with FD and JF that wouldn't just unanimously vote to put her in prison for life and toss the key if she was part of every step and stage of the crime of murdering JF. Its baffling to me that Atty Bowman isn't giving much weight to the fundamental feelings of potential jurors when hearing the entirety of the MT story and how this might impact their decision. I guess if I were MT the last person I'd want to decide my fate would be a bunch of CT jurors but perhaps that is better than having a bench trial, again IDK but Atty Bowman wants a jury trial.

We have seen Atty Bowman resort to bush league tactics in Civil Court to keep MT from simply being deposed. The irony of these tactics in my mind is that they simply serve to make MT look [REDACTED] guilty in a way that far surpasses being an accessory or someone holding a garbage bag for FD while cleaning at 80MS or lying to LE and not admitting to taking FD to the car wash until photos are shown from CCTV IMO.

The longer this plays out with no MT deposition in Civil Court and ongoing discovery moving forward with the existing charges, it seems almost inevitable that charges will be stacked and stacked until there is nothing to happen other than a jury trial. Even if the current cases headed to jury trial, MT is looking at 10+ years in prison if convicted and then add on more time with any future charges if she is convicted. For some reason I wonder if Atty Bowman is rolling the dice that the State cannot make its case and is willing to send MT to prison for a very long time based on his bet and thought/feeling that a jury trial is the best option for MT?

Right now with the little info we have and more charges inevitable in the future it seems like MT is totally [REDACTED].

MOO

MT not helping until she knows if she’ll be charged with murder. Before, during and after. She’d be showing her cards first. Not if she’s playing poker. The longer LE fumbles around with arresting either of them for murder, the less likely they are to be convicted.
NP wanted immediate trial bc all evidence not pulled together. Good chance to win. Now, it’s been so long, maybe LE can’t pull it together. Not just a missing body, but other pieces to build a strong circumstantial case. So MT is waiting. No need to pull your ace out of your sleeve if it’s not needed. Nerves of steel. Whoever speaks first, loses. Like any sales pitch.

 

[Morgan10028]

I also noticed the date conflict for "Attorney" Habib...Can he be charged with a felony and still represent a client in court. I know he hasn't been convicted, but....?????

Second thought...no attorneys need to present for the short calendar, right...MOO

I honestly don't know the answer to your question, though, his career in law is not looking too promising, IMO, with a Felony charge, a misdemeanor, and an additional, unknown charge only 7 years into his legal career.

As for the Short Calendar, I think whether the atty's are present depends on the motion? I could be wrong, though I recall an earlier SC in the civil case where the atty's on both sides were present. Motion 111.00 MOTION FOR DEFAULT FOR FAILURE TO DISCLOSE DEFENSE (P) is on the SC for 11/12, just fyi. It's not listed as arguable, so maybe neither side will attend.

MOO

 

[Midwestmom2019]

Yes, local LE can request FBI assistance. CT State Police brought in the FBI almost immediately here (been trying to figure out the precise date but my guess is 4/26 or 4/27 as the specialised FBI Evidence Team was clearly visible during the week long search of Waveny Park. We don't know which other FBI teams were/are involved with the case unfortunately but my guess is that the specialised electronics sniffing dogs and technology might have been FBI.

Regarding the CT State Police, around the time of the MIRA searches there were a couple of good articles that talked about some of the individuals involved in the Dulos case as it looked to be an experienced team. The reality is that this crime happened in CT, so CT State Police are running the show and will ultimately be held accountable along with State Atty Colangelo for the prosecution of the case against MT and FD. The lead Detective whose name I believe is Kimball (his name is on AWs) is supposedly one of the most senior detectives in the State Police.

With the idea of attempting to be positive and supportive of LE in this case, I believe the focus and dedication shown during the MIRA search during very challenging weather conditions this summer was admirable. IMO there looked to be solid teamwork between NCPD and State Police which helped I think in the early and quick processing of Welles crime scene such that search warrants could be obtained and the investigation moved to Farmington. We saw little to no participation from Farmington PD and this has always baffled me.

The public saw Spokesperson Foley address the Press a couple of times during the MIRA search period and the public also heard from NCPD Chief K in the early days of the case but he has said nothing for months now. States Atty Colangelo has never addressed the public in this case thus far and so far as I know has not been formally interviewed by the Press. The early days of the case saw a handful of press releases but the past few months have been absolute radio silence from LE. Why?

Communication with the public when conducting a complicated and ongoing investigation is a tricky proposition IMO. In other missing and murder cases, however, we have seen an ongoing priority made by LE to communicate with the public if only to say the investigation is ongoing etc. Some PDs choose to go the press statement route and simply post it on social media or the PD website and this works too to maintain some level of contact with the public and to demonstrate commitment to justice on their behalf. These ongoing statements from LE or a Prosecutor IMO serve as a bridge between LE conducting the investigation and the public who cares about the victim. In the Dulos case we have had next to no communication and I'm not sure I have an explanation but I have to say the lack of communication has been disappointing and I also believe it to be disrespectful to the missing/presumed deceased victim in this tragic case and the public at large.

I think all here have an appreciation for the task at hand for LE in the Dulos case and I have no doubt that there are any number of dedicated and caring individuals present in the States Atty's Office, State Police and NCPD that are working very hard to achieve Justice for Jennifer. I guess where I have been profoundly disappointed in the State Police so far is in maintaining any level of contact with the public on the case and I'm not sure what exactly is driving this absence of communication? I'd have to check the exact dates but my recollection is that no member of LE or the States Attys office has addressed the Dulos case publicly since Spokesperson Foley spoke outside of the MIRA plant (We did see Chief K interviewed briefly on TV).

IMO communication from the State Police (or its absence) has done zero to inspire any level of confidence in the public about the work that is being done on behalf of JF in this case. I am saying this even as I know that there are many dedicated LE people working hard on the case. But, communication is important, showing emotion and caring for the victim and their family in a public way is important and LE doesn't exist in a bubble/vacuum that is disconnected from the public.

Sometimes when you see a member of LE do an incredible job communicating with the public, it makes it so much easier to understand the importance of public communication in ongoing criminal investigations and how the bunker like mentality of the CT State Police/States Atty's Office is tough to understand in a missing/murder case such as the Dulos case IMO.

I'm not sure what drives the bunker like mentality in CT and so I won't even hazard a guess here. I do know that no matter how much work has happened behind the scenes by caring and dedicated CT State Police officers and staff, the sad fact was that we had a missing (now presumed deceased) JF who was thrashed brutally in the press for months by defense counsel in a way that I personally found to be unprofessional and at times unlawful, and we heard not one word in defense of JF from the State of CT ever. I don't think I would be human if I said that this lack of public caring and empathy from the State of CT for a victim didn't bother me greatly. It did bother me greatly to the extent that I believe the public communication from the State of CT in the Dulos case has been amongst the worst I've seen when compared to other similar cases over the years.

Missing people aren't here to defend themselves and JF was lucky enough to have her friend Carrie Luft make statements through this process. But IMO those brilliant statements were absolutely no substitute for hearing from the actual people responsible for prosecuting this case be it the State Police or the States Atty or some spokesperson who can maintain an ongoing relationship with the public. Because we haven't heard from anyone in this case it simply seems that LE is hiding from the public for reasons unknown.

I don't think anyone that understands the investigative process has any issues with LE keeping investigative details close to the vest and the public clearly has no right to anything that could compromise the case IMO. But, this 'need to know issue' seems IMO to have been used as a possible excuse for not speaking for JF who is sadly and tragically not here to speak for herself or letting the public know that the hard work going on behind the scenes in ongoing and that the State of CT is committed to seeking justice in this case.

What appeared to happen to JD involved a horrific and violent crime in a relatively safe part of the State and many members of the public care deeply about this case and justice. So, to have no ongoing dialog with anyone involved with the investigation from the State of CT is not just upsetting but its somewhat disturbing too as I really wonder if LE is so disconnected as to think that there is no value in public communication on violent crime?

Recently in the FL case of another missing/murdered Mom of 1 outside of Orlando, there was a local Sheriff who IMO was probably about as good as I've seen recently in terms of being a vocal advocate seeking justice for a missing/murdered person and his passion and outrage along with great commitment to the case was IMO brilliant and inspiring. He told the public about the victim and the general details of the dedicated officers who were working around the clock on the case and it was clear to anyone listening to him that he and everyone involved in the case cared deeply. He didn't compromise his investigation by speaking, he didn't look weak by showing emotion and expressing anger and disgust at the state of the remains when they were located IMO. My sense was that the local population in his community respected his integrity and commitment to the victim and the case greatly, even if they might have had other issues with local LE.

IDK why the State of CT doesn't feel compelled to address the public in a general way in the Dulos case? Maybe some day we will learn more as to what exactly drove this choice (I do hope its been a choice made by LE and that we don't have a situation where the State is simply tone deaf?).

There is always an ongoing dynamic relationship and dialog between government and the people in the US, which is why the absence of dialog is even harder to understand in this case. Perhaps its just the way things are done in CT? I suppose if we had a stronger press contingent in CT that perhaps someone in the Press could perhaps explain why we have heard nothing from the State about the Dulos case? IDK, but watching this all play out now for over 5 months has has been hugely disappointing to someone who believes that people matter and victims need a voice as they aren't here to defend themselves.

MOO

I’ll try to MOO into this post. Hope to cover it all.
MIRA was outstanding work. Without a doubt.
NP blasting JFD was his attempt to taint the jury pool but more importantly, he was fly fishing. Hoping to snag a response from LE that would at least hint at what LE is up to. LE didn’t bite. So NP just keeps fishing.
As for Farmington sitting on the sidelines, weren’t they the LE that questioned to crow bar gas tank repair guy? It was reported he is well known among LE for previous incidents. Yet, they let him walk. As for Orlando, like Kenzie Leuck in Utah, LE has the perp in their cross hairs within hours. Maybe that’s why we don’t have info. What is LE going to say? We’re working on it? Ok, but since MIRA, what’s up? We know you’re working on it. I hope you’re working on it. Throw a few scraps of info this way. Make up info if you have to. Or let us know that one track is so muddied they need
Public assistance. Do your kids have iPhone or Android clips? Facebook rumors? Twitter tweets? Snap chat? Are they on the dark web, sleuthing on their own? What are the children’s friends thinking? What do they suspect? Have any of the 5 ever made an off hand comment that made no sense to your child? Have any of them been in contact with the 5 kids? Just make sure you as a parent protect your child’s confidences. Or they’ll never share anything with you again. Just one little clue. One off hand remark. Could open up the resolution.
Who’s on the streets around Albany Ave?
All the technology in the world won’t beat door to door canvassing for information.

 

[Midwestmom2019]

Not so sure about this.
Is LE really wary of NP?
If so,why should they be?
MOO?

BC they don’t have all their ducks in a row.
It’s a 10,000 piece puzzle. And they don’t have the box top to work off of.
They don’t want the judges to screw something up.
It could be a hundred other things.

 

[SkylarSid]

MT not helping until she knows if she’ll be charged with murder. Before, during and after. She’d be showing her cards first. Not if she’s playing poker. The longer LE fumbles around with arresting either of them for murder, the less likely they are to be convicted.
NP wanted immediate trial bc all evidence not pulled together. Good chance to win. Now, it’s been so long, maybe LE can’t pull it together. Not just a missing body, but other pieces to build a strong circumstantial case. So MT is waiting. No need to pull your ace out of your sleeve if it’s not needed. Nerves of steel. Whoever speaks first, loses. Like any sales pitch.

Hi. I have seen cases where they do wait a long time for charges and they are still convicted. LE is very serious about this case. Look how long the search MIRA. I just pray it doesn’t turn out like you suggest.