Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #32

[afitzy]

Footnote 2 on page 3 has a great summary of NPs lies:

“2 For instance, a New York Post article dated June 22, 2019 quoted defense counsel, Attorney Norm Pattis, as follows: (1) the defendant's wife "had a 'troubled past' and 'struggled with heroin her whole life'"; (2) the defendant's wife '"had a relationship with a person who would import heroin from Cambodia' prior to dating" the defendant; (3) the defendant's wife "once disappeared from New York and 'lived for years under a false name' after an 'intrafamilial dispute about money'"; (4) the defendant's wife "had 'severe psychiatric
problems,' was on anti-depressants, and 'a custody study was prepared to give [the defendant] unsupervised access to the children"; and (5) the defendant "received a $14,000 bill in April for unknown blood work [his wife] had done." Def.'s Appendix, p. A128. Additionally, in a WFSB article dated June 14, 2019, defense counsel was quoted as follows: "'My understanding is that [codefendant Michelle Troconis] has taken a polygraph exam and the question of whether she had any knowledge of any foul play or disposal of evidence, and she satisfied police in that polygraph exam, and she provided an alibi. .. .'" Id., A142. During the hearing, the state disputed the accuracy of defense counsel's statements regarding a polygraph. T. 8/9/19, p. 19.”

Absolutely agree with you here!

What I find so stunning after reading Atty. P. motion is that anyone giving his motion a careful read (separating TRUE FROM FALSE STATEMENTS) gets a good laugh because IMO the only thing he does well is to explain precisely the Judge Blawie 'gag order' is so desperately needed in the case!

I took your list and added T/F boxes:

(1) the defendant's wife "had a 'troubled past' and 'struggled with heroin her whole life'"; FALSE - NO PROOF EXISTS TO SUPPORT THIS ASSERTION - WILD SPECULATION

(2) the defendant's wife '"had a relationship with a person who would import heroin from Cambodia' prior to dating" the defendant; FALSE - NO PROOF EXISTS TO SUPPORT THIS ASSERTION - WILD SPECULATION

(3) the defendant's wife "once disappeared from New York and 'lived for years under a false name' after an 'intrafamilial dispute about money'"; JD IS BELIEVED TO HAVE USED A PSEUDONYM FOR PROFESSIONAL WRITING PURPOSES BUT IMO NO EVIDENCE IN PUBLIC DOMAIN EXISTS TO SUPPORT STATEMENT MADE BY Atty. P. - WILD SPECULATION

(4) the defendant's wife "had 'severe psychiatric problems,' was on anti-depressants, and 'a custody study was prepared to give [the defendant] unsupervised access to the children"; FALSE - Atty. P. IS DRAWING CONCLUSION AS TO MENTAL STATE AND WELL BEING OF JF WITH ZERO EVIDENCE. FURTHER WE AGAIN SEE THE REFERENCE TO THE SEALED PSYCH REPORT WHICH Atty. P. HAS BEEN BARRED FROM REFERENCING OR DISCUSSING BY JUDGE HELLER IN FAMILY COURT AND WHAT DOES Atty. P. DO? HE TURNS AROUND AND REFERS TO IT IN HIS APPELLATE MOTION. IMO UNBELIEVABLE. I AM SURPRISED THAT JUDGE HELLER HASN'T ENTER THE FRAY TO HAVE THIS PARTICULAR SECTION OF THE MOTION STRICKEN AS IT VIOLATES HER PRIOR ORDER ON THIS TOPIC. WILD SPECULATION

(5) the defendant "received a $14,000 bill in April for unknown blood work [his wife] had done." UNKNOWN IMO - Atty. P. HAS NEVER SHOWN ANY DOCUMENT TO SUPPORT THIS CLAIM IMO, JUST EXTENSIVE WORD SALAD IN COURT AS PART OF A WIDER FISHING EXPEDITION WHERE JUDGE BLAWIE DENIED THE MOTION FROM Atty. P. WILD SPECULATION

(6) "'My understanding is that [codefendant Michelle Troconis] has taken a polygraph exam and the question of whether she had any knowledge of any foul play or disposal of evidence, and she satisfied police in that polygraph exam, and she provided an alibi. .. .'" Id., A142. During the hearing, the state disputed the accuracy of defense counsel's statements regarding a polygraph. T. 8/9/19, p. 19.” FALSE PER ATTY COLANGELO

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I guess I have any number of issues with Atty. P. but the most fundamental is that he has at a most basic level demonstrated an inability to simply tell the truth and follow basic court procedures. Surely a defense atty can represent their client while telling the truth?

Nope, not Atty. P. it seems and its been painful to watch what he has been allowed by the CT Courts to do and say to missing mother of 5, Jennifer Dulos.

How does a justice system work if participants in a case require full time fact checkers? I've never seen so many untruths contained in motions submitted to the Judge and I am still baffled by Judge Blawie not standing up for minimum standards with regards to statements that can and cannot be made in court as some of the 'whoppers' made by Atty. P. truly have been stunning IMO.

Atty. P. seems to be a perfect 'match' for his client FD IMO as Judge Heller said on the record in her courtroom that FD had no issues lying on the record. Not sure how the system works if folks are not telling the truth in Court? I guess having a convenient grasp of the truth isn't penalised by the CT Courts which IMO is sad.

We have seen Atty. P. 'excused' from Family Court for his role in the stolen psych exam (which he yet again talks about the 'gag order' appeal motion), talking over and belittling Atty Colangelo in open court, arguing and talking over Judge Blawie on multiple occasions, and submitting frivolous motions (motion to dismiss just one example) that are simply a waste of the Court's time. This all is in addition to his highly unprofessional treatment of the Press with his infamous "Shame on You" commentary that has happened twice, oddly enough both to female reporters who were simply doing their job IMO.

The only way I can accurately characterise him is as a 'rogue actor' in this tragic case. His behaviour and statements have been found IMO to be False, Misleading, Fabricated and more often than not read like something from the National Enquirer rather than statements from an Officer of the Court. In fact reading through his motion again today to me it all sadly reads like someone setting up a case for 'inadequate representation' of a client rather that even aggressive defense representation. This is sad if true as without solid defense representation the US system of justice simply doesn't work.

MOO

 

[afitzy]

Maybe we should hope she has been "giving" to the State's Attorney in return for the favor....???? It is Thanksgiving...do we dare believe that there may be something in this case for our thanks?

Yes, I am THANKFUL that it appears the State of CT is still hard at work on this case and even though things are moving slowly that things are still happening such that Justice for Jennifer may eventually be achieved.

MOO

 

[afitzy]

That's a relief to know she has been with Papa.

ITA!

Watching a 12/13 yo child deal with her mother being arrested was hard to watch as was keeping the child around and subjected to Press scrutiny outside the Avon motel. The picture of MT hugging her daughter at 4Jx before handing her off to Mama A was haunting but sadly I'm not sure it had much impact on MT and her conduct in this tragic case as she doesn't appear to be cooperating with the State so far as we can see.

Sitting and looking at extended prison time as a single parent has to be a rough place to be IMO as major milestones will be missed by MT over 10+ years. But it appears that bio dad is actively involved in custody so this makes a horrible situation better for the innocent victim in this case.

 

[kimch33kim]

Guess she’s coming to CT to celebrate her birthday. It’s in December. What parent would allow their kid (if friends with the daughter) to attend a bday party hosted by MT.

 

[Alice253]

DBM

 

[Alice253]

Absolutely agree with you here!

What I find so stunning after reading Atty. P. motion is that anyone giving his motion a careful read (separating TRUE FROM FALSE STATEMENTS) gets a good laugh because IMO the only thing he does well is to explain precisely the Judge Blawie 'gag order' is so desperately needed in the case!

I took your list and added T/F boxes:

(1) the defendant's wife "had a 'troubled past' and 'struggled with heroin her whole life'"; FALSE - NO PROOF EXISTS TO SUPPORT THIS ASSERTION - WILD SPECULATION

(2) the defendant's wife '"had a relationship with a person who would import heroin from Cambodia' prior to dating" the defendant; FALSE - NO PROOF EXISTS TO SUPPORT THIS ASSERTION - WILD SPECULATION

(3) the defendant's wife "once disappeared from New York and 'lived for years under a false name' after an 'intrafamilial dispute about money'"; JD IS BELIEVED TO HAVE USED A PSEUDONYM FOR PROFESSIONAL WRITING PURPOSES BUT IMO NO EVIDENCE IN PUBLIC DOMAIN EXISTS TO SUPPORT STATEMENT MADE BY Atty. P. - WILD SPECULATION

(4) the defendant's wife "had 'severe psychiatric problems,' was on anti-depressants, and 'a custody study was prepared to give [the defendant] unsupervised access to the children"; FALSE - Atty. P. IS DRAWING CONCLUSION AS TO MENTAL STATE AND WELL BEING OF JF WITH ZERO EVIDENCE. FURTHER WE AGAIN SEE THE REFERENCE TO THE SEALED PSYCH REPORT WHICH Atty. P. HAS BEEN BARRED FROM REFERENCING OR DISCUSSING BY JUDGE HELLER IN FAMILY COURT AND WHAT DOES Atty. P. DO? HE TURNS AROUND AND REFERS TO IT IN HIS APPELLATE MOTION. IMO UNBELIEVABLE. I AM SURPRISED THAT JUDGE HELLER HASN'T ENTER THE FRAY TO HAVE THIS PARTICULAR SECTION OF THE MOTION STRICKEN AS IT VIOLATES HER PRIOR ORDER ON THIS TOPIC. WILD SPECULATION

(5) the defendant "received a $14,000 bill in April for unknown blood work [his wife] had done." UNKNOWN IMO - Atty. P. HAS NEVER SHOWN ANY DOCUMENT TO SUPPORT THIS CLAIM IMO, JUST EXTENSIVE WORD SALAD IN COURT AS PART OF A WIDER FISHING EXPEDITION WHERE JUDGE BLAWIE DENIED THE MOTION FROM Atty. P. WILD SPECULATION

(6) "'My understanding is that [codefendant Michelle Troconis] has taken a polygraph exam and the question of whether she had any knowledge of any foul play or disposal of evidence, and she satisfied police in that polygraph exam, and she provided an alibi. .. .'" Id., A142. During the hearing, the state disputed the accuracy of defense counsel's statements regarding a polygraph. T. 8/9/19, p. 19.” FALSE PER ATTY COLANGELO

I guess I have any number of issues with Atty. P. but the most fundamental is that he has at a most basic level demonstrated an inability to simply tell the truth and follow basic court procedures. Surely a defense atty can represent their client while telling the truth?

Nope, not Atty. P. it seems and its been painful to watch what he has been allowed by the CT Courts to do and say to missing mother of 5, Jennifer Dulos.

How does a justice system work if participants in a case require full time fact checkers? I've never seen so many untruths contained in motions submitted to the Judge and I am still baffled by Judge Blawie not standing up for minimum standards with regards to statements that can and cannot be made in court as some of the 'whoppers' made by Atty. P. truly have been stunning IMO.

Atty. P. seems to be a perfect 'match' for his client FD IMO as Judge Heller said on the record in her courtroom that FD had no issues lying on the record. Not sure how the system works if folks are not telling the truth in Court? I guess having a convenient grasp of the truth isn't penalised by the CT Courts which IMO is sad.

We have seen Atty. P. 'excused' from Family Court for his role in the stolen psych exam (which he yet again talks about the 'gag order' appeal motion), talking over and belittling Atty Colangelo in open court, arguing and talking over Judge Blawie on multiple occasions, and submitting frivolous motions (motion to dismiss just one example) that are simply a waste of the Court's time. This all is in addition to his highly unprofessional treatment of the Press with his infamous "Shame on You" commentary that has happened twice, oddly enough both to female reporters who were simply doing their job IMO.

The only way I can accurately characterise him is as a 'rogue actor' in this tragic case. His behaviour and statements have been found IMO to be False, Misleading, Fabricated and more often than not read like something from the National Enquirer rather than statements from an Officer of the Court. In fact reading through his motion again today to me it all sadly reads like someone setting up a case for 'inadequate representation' of a client rather that even aggressive defense representation. This is sad if true as without solid defense representation the US system of justice simply doesn't work.

MOO[/QUOTE]

OK, going to try this again. I wish you could email these 6 points to Judge Blawie. You know this is not his only case, and having these points listed just may present a different perspective. MOO

 

[SkylarSid]

Guess she’s coming to CT to celebrate her birthday. It’s in December. What parent would allow their kid (if friends with the daughter) to attend a bday party hosted by MT.

Yes, she has already been ostracized by the community. Guess she wants to see her daughter as a free woman because it might be awhile until she is released from prison IMO.

 

[Outforjustice]

Guess she’s coming to CT to celebrate her birthday. It’s in December. What parent would allow their kid (if friends with the daughter) to attend a bday party hosted by MT.

1. Why is she flying alone Internationally?
Someone should have accompanied her or been sent to fly back with her given the circumstances and the amount of money they “ apparently” have ..

2. If they deem her old enough to fly Internationally then doesn’t it follow that she would be old enough to have a car service pick her up (given the fact) that her Mother cannot leave the State?

3. Alternatively, why not have her connect in Florida and fly into Hartford ?

 

[sds71]

1. Why is she flying alone Internationally?
Someone should have accompanied her or been sent to fly back with her given the circumstances and the amount of money they “ apparently” have ..

2. If they deem her old enough to fly Internationally then doesn’t it follow that she would be old enough to have a car service pick her up (given the fact) that her Mother cannot leave the State?
3. Alternatively, why not have her connect in Florida and fly into Hartford ?

she probably started flying alone at a younger age
we just didn't know

 

[CTGrammy]

1. Why is she flying alone Internationally?
Someone should have accompanied her or been sent to fly back with her given the circumstances and the amount of money they “ apparently” have ..

2. If they deem her old enough to fly Internationally then doesn’t it follow that she would be old enough to have a car service pick her up (given the fact) that her Mother cannot leave the State?

3. Alternatively, why not have her connect in Florida and fly into Hartford ?

The issue is, that airlines are cracking down on the safety of a child flying alone. This child is 13 and may be required to fly a NonStop flight. Too many children are missing their connections and are stranded in airports all of the world.

There are No nonstop flights from Buenos Aires to Bradley. There is only one nonstop flight into JFK, departing at 10:25 pm and arriving at 7:23 am.

So, I guess we cannot actually blame the airport location on MT.

However, the child's grandmother is more than suitable to pickup the child at JFK.

Most, if not all airlines, Require that someone meet the child at the Gate, when flying alone.

Some airports/airlines offer an additional service of bringing the child out of the secured area for a fee, or the adult can get a waiver to get through security and meet the child at the gate.

IMO, MT May use this scenario to fly, fly, away.

IMO.

 

[dlharris2712]

I think he changed it thinking no one will question him about it. But obviously word got out and he cannot keep quiet about it so he spoke to the press. We actually found out about it the day he listed the house but did not say anything I guess word got to the reporters and they reached out to him .....MOO[/QUOTE

Honestly, I prefer to call her Jennifer, because, IMO, it’s bad enough that she was murdered, and I don’t want to reduce her to a pair of initials on top of it. He, on the other hand, doesn’t deserve the respect, and will continue to be known simply as “FD” (which can stand for any number of things...)

So...do you think I would get put on a "time out" if I listed all the names/things that start with "FD"...my brain is working over time right now thinking of ALL of them...lol!!! moo

 

[dlharris2712]

However, the child's grandmother is more than suitable to pickup the child at JFK.
Or her sister, or one of her other entourage. Heck - her Attorney could pick the Daughter up; rather than file a "motion". And I agree, MT feels entitled - that is the number one reason she hooked up with FD...he is the most entitled, selfish, waste of oxygen I have ever seen. Two peas in a gross little pod (apologies to peas). And, IMO, given one chance to flee - and MT will be running down the tarmac - jumping on the plane as it is taking off; while her pashmina scarf blows in the wind - around her neck. This case has me fired up today - I want JUSTICE for Jennifer Farber (no Dulos for me). The KB case has given me hope that this will happen. Until then, I will keeping putting together my list of names that start with "FD". moo

 

[Alathea]

But didn’t you see, Karp said it wasn’t about a crime at all, he never liked the original address and it was a Feng Shui thing. I mean I know the number 69 has some lewd associations and all, but “Feng Shui”, really? Blood stains on the floor doesn’t sound like such good Feng Shui to me, actually.

Karp probably realized he needed to offload it soon because once a trial or even another AW drops, then there are likely to eventually be photos of the house, the garage, the woods behind and FDs supposed approach to the house, where he was “laying in wait” all diagrammed out, plus any fingerprint evidence on doors, kitchen faucets, etc.
Then really who is going to buy it, or even want to go over there for dinner? Like, “and here is where he had dinner outside with his kids and played basketball 2 days before” and “ here is where they say he was hiding, right in this corner over here behind our Lamborghini” and “we changed the faucet out in the kitchen and actually moved the island because we wanted to change around the Feng Shui”.

Think of how Kelsey Berreth’s townhouse photos are plastered all over the media. Karp probably saw that and ran, not walked, to the Public Works office.

Final thought: for those of you who want to see how huge a difference having the leaves fallen down off the trees makes (a subject of convo here a thread or two back) scroll through the pictures in the SA article. One of the first pictures shows the house a few weeks after JDs disappearance. You can see the thick leaf cover of the woods in back that would have made it much easier for FD to sneak around back there.
The photos near the end show the house presumably within the past couple weeks. The trees in the woods behind are totally bare, and there is a huge difference in the visibility. This is true not just for someone sneaking around but also for anything that might have been discarded, like a colored tarp, an item of clothing, etc. or dropped unintentionally.

Lol! “I’ve changed numbers before,” Karp said. “It’s kind of a feng shui kind of thing. It has always bothered me. It bothered me when I bought it.” - from SA article

In Feng Shui, the numbers 6 and 9 are very lucky. Not so much with #7. So he really doesn't know what he's talking about; he just wants to deceive potential buyers.

As @HopeForTheBest pointed out - WHAT ELSE is he hiding from them? You can't trust him, clearly.

 

[bubby girl]

Now that we know MT’s daughter has been gone, tells me MT has had ALOT of free time..moo that her and FD have been communicating for sure..why she is still in denial and not coming clean..

 

[Daisyeve]

Three words to suggest to the Judge for this request: UBER and motion denied.

Why give special consideration to MT? Why not simply send Mama A to the airport?

Only in a case associated with FD and MT would a motion reference 'compliance with the terms of release' as a 'positive' and 'reason' for granting the motion and not take compliance as a given because its the law. Nope, not MT and FD, compliance with the law never seems to be 'given' and so we are supposed to believe that MT is a 'model citizen' for simply complying with the generous terms of her release?

Absolute BS IMO.

Hartford Airport is International so simply FLY TO HARTFORD.

Well this request just takes the cake. There are five children that would give anything to spend the holidays with their mother. But guess what their mother is dead and her body hidden or destroyed making their grief and longing for their mother even harder to endure. Please consider Jennifer and her family Mr. or Mrs. Judge when you consider this motion. And please consider having child protective services monitor MT and her daughter if you allow MT to go to JFK.

 

[SkylarSid]

1. Why is she flying alone Internationally?
Someone should have accompanied her or been sent to fly back with her given the circumstances and the amount of money they “ apparently” have ..

2. If they deem her old enough to fly Internationally then doesn’t it follow that she would be old enough to have a car service pick her up (given the fact) that her Mother cannot leave the State?

3. Alternatively, why not have her connect in Florida and fly into Hartford ?

We don't even know if she is flying alone; however, unaccompanied minors are common though. I used to be a flight attendant and it is very common for children that age to be flying. The airlines know who they are and they see them through the airports and onto the planes.

 

[Spider92]

Ok, here's my concern. The longer the prosecution takes to bring charges, the easier it is for the defense to raise the prospect of reasonable doubt. If I'm the defense attorney (G forbid), I'd say "well the prosecution had so much doubt that they took 6 (+) months to bring charges". Unless the prosecution comes up with some new evidence, I don't see how they explain their decision to bring charges so late. Sorry to be so negative!

 

[Curious in CT]

Just think of the media scene that will figure out a way to descend. Daughter would be better off having Mama A picking her up in a car.

Jennifer Dulos case: Troconis wants to pick up daughter at JFK airport

Feel sorry for the child, but just sick of MT “asking” for things.

 

[sds71]

MTs mother/sisters must not live here but fly in when needed.
MA doesn't seem the type to leave her Miami businesses in the hands of her partner
and the sisters have jobs and young kids

 

[Curious in CT]

The difference is, @Mimi in London , your royalty wouldn't be caught dead (or alive) in discarded Muppet skins. (Credit to witty WS poster whose handle is in all caps, but can't recall.)

Entitled. Astounding. But, that aside.

The Royal Family and the Trumps often co-ordinate the colours they wear, within a certain palette, when they know they will be photographed as a family. Guess what! The Troconises do the same! See photos 1 and 12!

They’ll be in Hello! magazine next!