Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #32

[Alathea]

Farber v. Fore group
No 118.00 11/27/2019 D REQUEST TO AMEND AND AMENDMENT

Defendants' Request for Leave to File Amended Answer (adding 2 Count Counterclaim)

What?! Is Atty. Habib on drugs or something?!

(Sorry. Just HAD to say that. Friendly reminder attached.)

 

[Jmoose]

I’ve been wondering what GF did about the children’s phones and other devices that could be used to contact FD, or be contacted by him-I would think that the kids’ phones would have been traded for other ones, with a different phone number, and with contact info for FD, MT and MT’s daughter removed; do children memorize phone numbers anymore? I also wonder if each night, would the kids’ phones and tablets be in the hands of someone other than the kids, so that a) nobody could contact them in the evening and b) so the phones and tablets could be scoped to make sure nobody from that side is contacting them? Just thinking about the resentment this could cause, especially the two older ones. FD didn’t just kill Jennifer-he ruined those children for good. He is like a monster, or something that crawled out of H***, took the form of a human, and just wrecked everything in his path. Everything he touched is a disaster, from his wife, to his children, to his sidepiece and her daughter, even to the houses he “built”, which couldn’t be sold before all of this happened because of the outrageous price tags, and now can’t be at any price...what a walking s***storm!

 

[afitzy]

In my presently diminished state of health I was looking for 'light humour' from a vintage movie and ran into this gem from Billy Crystal which really has my brain spinning as I am quite concerned about what might have happened to Mama Duolos. Very concerned. To me, the tip off was not just the 'investigation' issues but the immediate cremation and not burying Mama Duolos next to her husband. With allegedly no will there would have been no direction for cremation. IDK the Greek Orthodox Church views on cremation but I will look into it and report back. Next to nothing about the death of Mama Duolos makes sense IMO and IMO also it raises enormous issues about the Avon PD and FD as well for their respective roles in the situation.

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[Alathea]

I keep circling back to the unfortunate demise of Mama K. Duolos in the driveway of 585 Deercliff after period of unexplained 'accidents' and what appears to be an unresolved head injury and her almost immediate cremation by FD.

Here is the MSN/DM article that has additional information beyond the police report. What I find interesting about the DM reporting is that they seemed to have gone way beyond what the 'reposters' at the Hartford Courant (Dave Alitimari and David Owens) did in looking into what exactly happened to Mama Duolos IMO. The DM actually contacted the Medical Examiners Officer for further information. Sadly in true CT fashion no information was 'available' but I doubt that is true so IMO the DM should make a formal request for any all information on the case as little reported about what happened made sense IMO.

DM Article:
Mother of Connecticut husband arrested in connection with his wife's disappearance died in a freak accident after being run over by Land Rover driven by couple's 24-year-old 'nanny' in their driveway

For some reason I am fixed on this particular quote:

"The report states the driver had no license and the pattern of events 'did not suggest this was a criminal event'. MMMMMMmmmmmm... REALLY???????

1. How is driving a vehicle that had passengers (believed to be the child/ren that screamed) without a licence LEGAL?

2. How can the statement be made that the 'pattern of events did not suggest this was a criminal event'?

Taking the issue of Nanny intent off the table for a moment, the Nanny DROVE OVER MAMA DUOLOS TWICE in the driveway and this act (regardless of whether it was wilful or not) resulted in the DEATH of Mama Duolos. I will have to go back and look through the Codes in CT but just off the top of my head I can think of at least 3 viable charges for the sequence of events that IMO were very poorly documented by Avon PD.

3. "Kleopatra Dulos was taken by ambulance to hospital and passed away shortly afterwards" – "but the information was not shared with the local police" [BBM]. WHY was the information NOT shared with Avon PD or State Police. I would like to know why the Hospital who knew that Mama Duolos was the victim of a car incident DID NOT report the situation and her subsequent death to the State Police? Did FD or another family member perhaps REQUEST that the information on the death of Mama Duolos NOT be reported to LE?

And then the story gets even more twisted IMO:

4. Three months later, on December 10 [BBM], officers followed up on their investigation as 'the police department had only recently learned that Kleopatra Dulos had died shortly after the accident'.

Kudos to the DM for at least trying to get some info from the CME but think its time for some additional reporting on this issue as there must be some information available from the CME IMO.

5. "The Office of the Chief Medical Examiner in Connecticut could provide no further information on Kleopatra Dulos' cause of death to DailyMail.com".

The police took the Land Rover for examination and interviewed the 24-year-old who was 'still employed by the family'.

Both Niora and Fotis Dulos were interviewed by police.

IMO the DM need to do at least a few more FOIA requests to get additional information both from Avon PD and CME.

Where is the CT State Police in all of this as well? I'm still working on the rest of the article as there is quite a lot of information there to unpack as to what exactly WASN'T done by Avon PD to investigate the situation of why an unlicensed driver was out after dark with young children in car alleged to go shopping with an elderly woman who based on what was said in the Avon PD report shouldn't have been out or driving either IMO.

Further the FD 'alibi' I hope was checked and rechecked completely by Avon PD. Did FD return to CT immediately upon hearing that his mother was in hospital or did he simply 'carry on with his ski activities'?

Next to nothing about this entire incident make any sense and IMO the Police work associated with the 'investigation' appears highly suspect as well.

Does anyone see anything about any of this situation that make sense?

MOO

No, there is no sense to it. All good points.

The biggest red flags (for me) were:

• The completely different stories from the nanny/FD about what happened between the first interview with the nanny (on the night of the run-over) and the second interview. Police should have been all over the widely differing stories.
• The fact that the nanny said she didn't know she ran her over (yet she did twice, AND the young child in the back screamed - yet the nanny wasn't concerned, even though she couldn't see the grandmother?)
• Neither one of them could reasonably be driving anywhere that night. The nanny didn't have a license and didn't know the car - and the grandmother was too injured to drive, on heavy medications, AND suffered from fainting spells.
• The lights on the car probably come on automatically - and, the lights excuse wasn't mentioned the second time at all.

 

[afitzy]

RS&BBM - I meant to address this last paragraph before. This is an important point.

Is MT allowed to drive by their (Farbers') house? In the neighborhood? She should not be. They should have a restraining order...

There is a 'no contact' order I believe. I don't believe there is 'restraining order' in place.

IMO I don't think that EITHER FD or MT should be allowed into the State of NY so long as their trials are pending. Why should the family of the victim have to worry about this issue on top of everything else they are dealing with? Totally disagree with Atty Colangelo here. Sorry, not sorry!

MOO

 

[SkylarSid]

I’ve been wondering what GF did about the children’s phones and other devices that could be used to contact FD, or be contacted by him-I would think that the kids’ phones would have been traded for other ones, with a different phone number, and with contact info for FD, MT and MT’s daughter removed; do children memorize phone numbers anymore? I also wonder if each night, would the kids’ phones and tablets be in the hands of someone other than the kids, so that a) nobody could contact them in the evening and b) so the phones and tablets could be scoped to make sure nobody from that side is contacting them? Just thinking about the resentment this could cause, especially the two older ones. FD didn’t just kill Jennifer-he ruined those children for good. He is like a monster, or something that crawled out of H***, took the form of a human, and just wrecked everything in his path. Everything he touched is a disaster, from his wife, to his children, to his sidepiece and her daughter, even to the houses he “built”, which couldn’t be sold before all of this happened because of the outrageous price tags, and now can’t be at any price...what a walking s***storm!

I understand exactly what you are saying. And I work with kids these ages every day. They are used to their everyday onine access. To deny them access is also bad. Remember when the family spokeswoman once said she had the kids in a bookstore and they saw a magazine in the rack about the disappearance of their mother? She made it a experience to talk about. These kids have access to whatever they may want to look up. There is plenty of internet access and availability of computers in schools. Restricting access to internet/ social media/ cell phones to children is really a thing of the past.

 

[afitzy]

Interesting article about cremation in Greek Orthodox community:

New Greek law permits cremation

But article raises the issue of whether Mama Duolos left a WRITTEN order covering her desire to be cremated? IDK how this might have happened as the article stated there was no will. Mmmmmm.

Quotes from article:

"The decision, brought on by years of pressure from human rights groups and state ombudsmen, comes at a time when the powerful Greek Orthodox Church that opposed the plan is embroiled in a series of bribery and embezzlement scandals".

"The cremation of foreigners or Greeks, whose religious convictions allow the cremation after death, is allowed," the new law said.

According to the law, Orthodox Greeks can choose cremation as long as they have stated this in writing before their death or their immediate relatives wish it.

"A pre-condition for the cremation is the clear, unequivocal statement of the deceased, or their relatives," that they wish to be cremated, the law said. [BBM]

In a country where more than 95 percent of the population is Orthodox, the families of people who did not wish to be buried spend thousands of euros transporting them to neighboring Bulgaria for cremation.

For decades the Greek Orthodox Church had strongly opposed cremation, saying the body is God's creation and cannot be burned. But the church says it does not plan to protest the decision.

"The church does not oppose and has no right to oppose the cremation of the dead for those of other religions or other Christian denominations," said a spokesman for the Church of Greece, Charis Konidaris.

"For the Orthodox people, though, it recommends burial as the only way for the decomposition of the deceased human body, according to its long traditions," he said. [BBM]

IMO still seems like there are members of the religious community opposed to cremation. So, I very much wonder whether Mama Duolos was religious and held conservative beliefs such that she would have been opposed to cremation? Just another question to add the existing long list of questions about this tragic incident at 585 Deercliff, Avon, CT. I also wonder if the DM might be able to figure out who actually cremated Mama Duolos and under whose directions?

MOO

 

[HopeForTheBest]

I am 100% with you.

In addition, if MamaA and PapaT can make all these court dates, then they can pick up a child at the airport?

It really is, Not that hard.

IMO.

I definitely MT’s daughter is accustomed to flying and all of that but I wonder if this is what the DAUGHTER wants. All I can think is that it’s just bringing up very publicly yet again MT’s association with her daughter and I feel for that kid. But then I wonder: is this public request a signal to someone to take action somehow? Or is it possible that the prosecution is amenable to it because MT finally saw the light after the Patrick Frazee trial and is cooperating truthfully finally? I doubt it but I can wish it for the sake of all SIX kids—JD’s and MT’s. MOO.

 

[SkylarSid]

In my presently diminished state of health I was looking for 'light humour' from a vintage movie and ran into this gem from Billy Crystal which really has my brain spinning as I am quite concerned about what might have happened to Mama Duolos. Very concerned. To me, the tip off was not just the 'investigation' issues but the immediate cremation and not burying Mama Duolos next to her husband. With allegedly no will there would have been no direction for cremation. IDK the Greek Orthodox Church views on cremation but I will look into it and report back. Next to nothing about the death of Mama Duolos makes sense IMO and IMO also it raises enormous issues about the Avon PD and FD as well for their respective roles in the situation.

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The Greeks here in Norfolk Va tend to have their own cemetery sections and the families usually have large stone markers with the family name and plenty of room for the burials of family members. I find it odd that a family that has the means to send a family member into the United States to attend an Ivy League school did not buy plots for next-of-kin. I am saying this because I have known most of my life a couple of Greek families. I have often admired them for their bonds to family traditions. Yes, Greek men seem to often stray, but the Greek men I have known have also stayed stayed loyal and protective their own mothers and to the mothers of their children.

 

[tabitha111]

The Greeks here in Norfolk Va tend to have their own cemetery sections and the families usually have large stone markers with the family name and plenty of room for the burials of family members. I find it odd that a family that has the means to send a family member into the United States to attend an Ivy League school did not buy plots for next-of-kin. I am saying this because I have known most of my life a couple of Greek families. I have often admired them for their bonds to family traditions. Yes, Greek men seem to often stray, but the Greek men I have known have also stayed stayed loyal and protective their own mothers and to the mothers of their children.

off topic, but I have dated a prominent Greek from a big family in Norfolk. I wonder if we know the same folks? My impressions of him were - lets just say- he wasn't my cup of tea no matter that he he is very wealthy and handsome...lol

 

[HopeForTheBest]

“Definitely think”—; it won’t let me edit it.

 

[SkylarSid]

I definitely MT’s daughter is accustomed to flying and all of that but I wonder if this is what the DAUGHTER wants. All I can think is that it’s just bringing up very publicly yet again MT’s association with her daughter and I feel for that kid. But then I wonder: is this public request a signal to someone to take action somehow? Or is it possible that the prosecution is amenable to it because MT finally saw the light after the Patrick Frazee trial and is cooperating truthfully finally? I doubt it but I can wish it for the sake of all SIX kids—JD’s and MT’s. MOO.

I am sure her daughter is haunted by all of this, she is a victim also and will have to deal with this just like the other kids... JMO.

 

[SkylarSid]

off topic, but I have dated a prominent Greek from a big family in Norfolk. I wonder if we know the same folks? My impressions of him were - lets just say- he wasn't my cup of tea no matter that he he is very wealthy and handsome...lol

Send me an PM. I'll let you know if I know them or not! I have to add that a lot of the Greeks families I have know have been most wonderful people....

 

[Alathea]

I a, sure her daughter is haunted by all of this... JMO.

Knowing what I know about Jennifer, I'm sure she was warm to the daughter, despite the child being husband-stealing-family-destroying-cheating Michele Troconis's daughter. She was also supposedly friendly with the other 5 kids. So the daughter probably got to like Jennifer.

It must be very disturbing to know one's own mother helped murder/coverup the woman you got to know, your friends' mother... all aside from the fact that she'll go to jail for it some day, the murder might at some point be even worse to realize.
Poor kid.

 

[SkylarSid]

No, there is no sense to it. All good points.

The biggest red flags (for me) were:

• The completely different stories from the nanny/FD about what happened between the first interview with the nanny (on the night of the run-over) and the second interview. Police should have been all over the widely differing stories.
• The fact that the nanny said she didn't know she ran her over (yet she did twice, AND the young child in the back screamed - yet the nanny wasn't concerned, and couldn't see the grandmother?)
• Neither one of them could reasonably be driving anywhere that night. The nanny didn't have a license and didn't know the car - and the grandmother was too injured to drive, on heavy medications, AND suffered from fainting spells.
• The lights on the car probably come on automatically - and, the lights excuse wasn't mentioned the second time at all.

And let's add the other fact that nanny supposedly did not speak English! JMO.

 

[tabitha111]

Send me an PM. I'll let you know if I know them or not! I have to add that a lot of the Greeks families I have know have been most wonderful people....

you have definitely heard his name if you live in Hampton Roads!

 

[Alathea]

No, there is no sense to it. All good points.

The biggest red flags (for me) were:

• The completely different stories from the nanny/FD about what happened between the first interview with the nanny (on the night of the run-over) and the second interview. Police should have been all over the widely differing stories.
• The fact that the nanny said she didn't know she ran her over (yet she did twice, AND the young child in the back screamed - yet the nanny wasn't concerned, even though she couldn't see the grandmother?)
• Neither one of them could reasonably be driving anywhere that night. The nanny didn't have a license and didn't know the car - and the grandmother was too injured to drive, on heavy medications, AND suffered from fainting spells.
• The lights on the car probably come on automatically - and, the lights excuse wasn't mentioned the second time at all.

Interesting article about cremation in Greek Orthodox community:

New Greek law permits cremation

But article raises the issue of whether Mama Duolos left a WRITTEN order covering her desire to be cremated? IDK how this might have happened as the article stated there was no will. Mmmmmm.

Quotes from article:

"The decision, brought on by years of pressure from human rights groups and state ombudsmen, comes at a time when the powerful Greek Orthodox Church that opposed the plan is embroiled in a series of bribery and embezzlement scandals".

"The cremation of foreigners or Greeks, whose religious convictions allow the cremation after death, is allowed," the new law said.

According to the law, Orthodox Greeks can choose cremation as long as they have stated this in writing before their death or their immediate relatives wish it.

"A pre-condition for the cremation is the clear, unequivocal statement of the deceased, or their relatives," that they wish to be cremated, the law said. [BBM]

In a country where more than 95 percent of the population is Orthodox, the families of people who did not wish to be buried spend thousands of euros transporting them to neighboring Bulgaria for cremation.

For decades the Greek Orthodox Church had strongly opposed cremation, saying the body is God's creation and cannot be burned. But the church says it does not plan to protest the decision.

"The church does not oppose and has no right to oppose the cremation of the dead for those of other religions or other Christian denominations," said a spokesman for the Church of Greece, Charis Konidaris.

"For the Orthodox people, though, it recommends burial as the only way for the decomposition of the deceased human body, according to its long traditions," he said. [BBM]

IMO still seems like there are members of the religious community opposed to cremation. So, I very much wonder whether Mama Duolos was religious and held conservative beliefs such that she would have been opposed to cremation? Just another question to add the existing long list of questions about this tragic incident at 585 Deercliff, Avon, CT. I also wonder if the DM might be able to figure out who actually cremated Mama Duolos and under whose directions?

MOO

There is another small point about this to include - though by itself, it does not stand out:

The grandmother's clothes with the tire tracks on them were destroyed immediately.

By itself: not a huge deal, because she went to the emergency room. Along with everything else though, a bit odd.

 

[SkylarSid]

you have definitely heard his name if you live in Hampton Roads!

PM me the name and I will let you know if I have traversed that circle. Also interested to know your connection to the area!

 

[SkylarSid]

There is another small point about this to include - though by itself, it does not stand out:

The grandmother's clothes with the tire tracks on them were destroyed immediately.

By itself: not a huge deal, because she went to the emergency room. Along with everything else though, a bit odd.

Yes, that is really odd. Friends in high places?? Who destroyed the clothes? Someone really seems to have friends in high places! JMO. JMO.

 

[Daisyeve]

What?! Is Atty. Habib on drugs or something?!

(Sorry. Just HAD to say that. Friendly reminder attached.)

That is exactly what I have been wondering about and whether he might be supplying some of those hallucinogenic drugs to NP because NP’statements are just way too bizarre! What is going on in this city or area? I am so looking forward to the day some “attorneys”lose their licenses and go to jail and some judges that allow this corruption to continue find they no longer have a job.