Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #32

[kimch33kim]

Sorry I just saw you posted a reply.

Thank you I agree with you 3.14159265%

 

[Tink56]

bbm. I'm not a lawyer, but I'm not sure Defense Attorney Kevin Smith (thanks, CT taxpayers?) would make sense to me even if I were one.

Correct me if I'm wrong, lawyers (@Midwestmom2019 ?), but it appears Kevin Smith is claiming his client was not accused of a felony.

“There is no construction liberal or otherwise that can sustain this information, because what this information charges is a hindering charge, that requires some other felony. And that is what is not present here," Smith [said] in the hearing, according to the report.'​

However, Fotis Dulos has been charged with not one, but THREE related felonies. See attached: Two felonies with the offense date 5/24/19, and one felony with the offense date of 5/29/19.

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If I remember correctly, State's Attorney Colangelo kept saying in response to KS, that since the arrest warrants were signed by a judge (Blawie) the contingent felony charge didn't matter. I never really understood that entire conversation.

 

[Aydrianna523]

interesting thoughts. it got me thinking about what KBs daughters' last name is. i don't remember reading but i missed a lot of threads. was last name B.... or F....? thanks.

A poster on the Frazee thread said it was Frazee. I just accepted that. Not totally sure... Update.
Just googled it. Denver post said it was Frazee.

 

[CTGrammy]

Welcome @glassheater! So glad you are here as we have been working hard to understand more about Greek cultural and religious issues and their possible impact on this tragic case. Given the age of FD many seem to believe that he might not have been as closely tied to his homelands traditions and cultural roles but as we have learned more about him, it does appear that he was quite traditional in his views on things and in particular about his family and how it functioned too. FD 'sister' Rena (not sure of her last name as she seems to have at least 3 including her married name and we have no way of knowing if Rena is truly FD 'sister' or 'step sister' etc.) wrote an impassioned letter which was shared with the Press about her brother and how the 'people in Greece' who know FD support him etc. and how he supported his family during the crisis in Greece.

So far as we know from what was in the Family Court documents, following the traditions of Greece and the Greek Orthodox faith was quite important to FD. It is believed that the family also followed the 'naming day' tradition and FD might have been at Welles in NC on the Wed. before JD went missing for such a "name day" celebration.

Not sure exactly whose 'name day' it might have been but here is list of possible options for around the time of May 23rd:

THEOGNOSTOS (Theognostos, Theognosios, Theognosia) 19 May THEOKTISTOS (Theoktistos) 19 May LEEDA (2) (Lida) 20 May LIDIA (2) (Lydia, Lidia, Lidie, Lyda, Lydie) 20 May LITO (Lito, Leeto, Leto) 20 May CONSTANTIN (Konstantinos, Kostantinos, Kostas, Costas, Constantine, Costantine, Gus) 21 May CONSTANTINA (Thina, Kostantina, Dina, Costantina) 21 May HELEN (Elena, Elene, Ellen, Eleni, Lena, Eleanor, Eleonora, Eleonor, Nora, Marilena) 21 May NANTIA (Nantia, Nandia, Nadia, Nadya) 21 May EMILIOS (Emile, Emilia, Emily, Emma) 22 May KODROS (Kodros) 22 May (no widely known nameday) 23 May CHRISTIAN (Christian) 24 May MARKIANI (Markiani) 24 May PALLADIA (Palladia) 24 May PHOTINI (2) (Fotine, Fotini, Foto, Fotoula, Fay, Fofo) 24 May (source ©: www.namedays.gr)

Εορτολόγιο Ελληνικών Ονομάτων - Orthodox Greek Namedays

21 May for Constantine it is. Yes, the celebration would be a day late, but we must remember that FD Only had visitation on certain days. The Name Day celebration would need to be on one of these predetermined visitation days, IF FD were to attend. We saw what happened when FD tried to rearrange the predetermined visitation days so as to have Greek Easter with the children and ALL of MT family. So glad the Judge stood up to FD in that instance.

IMO.

 

[Midwestmom2019]

bbm. I'm not a lawyer, but I'm not sure Defense Attorney Kevin Smith (thanks, CT taxpayers?) would make sense to me even if I were one.

Correct me if I'm wrong, lawyers (@Midwestmom2019 ?), but it appears Kevin Smith is claiming his client was not accused of a felony.

“There is no construction liberal or otherwise that can sustain this information, because what this information charges is a hindering charge, that requires some other felony. And that is what is not present here," Smith [said] in the hearing, according to the report.'​

However, Fotis Dulos has been charged with not one, but THREE related felonies. See attached: Two felonies with the offense date 5/24/19, and one felony with the offense date of 5/29/19.

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I’m not licensed in CT. And don’t do criminal work usually.
But it would seem to me that they’re charged with felonies but I don’t know whether THEY need to be charged or anyone for that matter to be charged with the felony
(Edited to add: the serious bodily assault,)
that gave rise to FD and MT fiasco.
LE knows a serious assault occurred. That’s a felony. That’s the underlying felony another poster discussed. That’s why FD and MT were charged twice bc they were suspected of destroying evidence of that serious assault.

Edited to add: judge signing arrest warrant may have been another reason underlying serious bodily assault did not need to have a perpetrator named.

 

[pernickety]

bbm. I'm not a lawyer, but I'm not sure Defense Attorney Kevin Smith (thanks, CT taxpayers?) would make sense to me even if I were one.

Correct me if I'm wrong, lawyers (@Midwestmom2019 ?), but it appears Kevin Smith is claiming his client was not accused of a felony.

“There is no construction liberal or otherwise that can sustain this information, because what this information charges is a hindering charge, that requires some other felony. And that is what is not present here," Smith [said] in the hearing, according to the report.'​

However, Fotis Dulos has been charged with not one, but THREE related felonies. See attached: Two felonies with the offense date 5/24/19, and one felony with the offense date of 5/29/19.

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On attachments I noted 2 felonies--Sec. 53a-155 and Sec. 53a-165aa (2nd one picks up the first one and adds the other). Here are the statutes:

"Sec. 53a-155. Tampering with or fabricating physical evidence: Class D felony. (a) A person is guilty of tampering with or fabricating physical evidence if, believing that a criminal investigation conducted by a law enforcement agency or an official proceeding is pending, or about to be instituted, such person: (1) Alters, destroys, conceals or removes any record, document or thing with purpose to impair its verity or availability in such criminal investigation or official proceeding; or (2) makes, presents or uses any record, document or thing knowing it to be false and with purpose to mislead a public servant who is or may be engaged in such criminal investigation or official proceeding.

(b) Tampering with or fabricating physical evidence is a class D felony.

Sec. 53a-165aa. Hindering prosecution in the first degree: Class C felony. (a) A person is guilty of hindering prosecution in the first degree when such person renders criminal assistance to another person who has committed a class A or B felony or an unclassified felony for which the maximum penalty is imprisonment for more than ten years and such other person committed such felony with intent to intimidate or coerce the civilian population or a unit of government.

(b) Hindering prosecution in the first degree is a class C felony and any person found guilty under this section shall be sentenced to a term of imprisonment of which five years of the sentence imposed may not be suspended or reduced by the court."

I don't see how Pattis & Smith's allegation applies to Sec. 53a-155. It's not predicated on any other crime--only on "the belief that a criminal investigation conducted by a law enforcement agency...is pending, or about to be instituted..."

As to Sec. 53a-165aa IDK--seems iffy, seeing that 155 is a Class D felony (I think the maximum is 5 yrs) and they haven't yet been charged with murder, which I assume would be a Class A.

"Being predicated on something else" IMO could apply to the crime of conspiracy [to commit the two crimes already charged], but as far as I know they haven't been charged with conspiracy...yet.

MOO

 

[Alathea]

On attachments I noted 2 felonies--Sec. 53a-155 and Sec. 53a-165aa (2nd one picks up the first one and adds the other). Here are the statutes:

"Sec. 53a-155. Tampering with or fabricating physical evidence: Class D felony. (a) A person is guilty of tampering with or fabricating physical evidence if, believing that a criminal investigation conducted by a law enforcement agency or an official proceeding is pending, or about to be instituted, such person: (1) Alters, destroys, conceals or removes any record, document or thing with purpose to impair its verity or availability in such criminal investigation or official proceeding; or (2) makes, presents or uses any record, document or thing knowing it to be false and with purpose to mislead a public servant who is or may be engaged in such criminal investigation or official proceeding.

(b) Tampering with or fabricating physical evidence is a class D felony.

Sec. 53a-165aa. Hindering prosecution in the first degree: Class C felony. (a) A person is guilty of hindering prosecution in the first degree when such person renders criminal assistance to another person who has committed a class A or B felony or an unclassified felony for which the maximum penalty is imprisonment for more than ten years and such other person committed such felony with intent to intimidate or coerce the civilian population or a unit of government.

(b) Hindering prosecution in the first degree is a class C felony and any person found guilty under this section shall be sentenced to a term of imprisonment of which five years of the sentence imposed may not be suspended or reduced by the court."

I don't see how Pattis & Smith's allegation applies to Sec. 53a-155. It's not predicated on any other crime--only on "the belief that a criminal investigation conducted by a law enforcement agency...is pending, or about to be instituted..."

As to Sec. 53a-165aa IDK--seems iffy, seeing that 155 is a Class D felony (I think the maximum is 5 yrs) and they haven't yet been charged with murder, which I assume would be a Class A.

"Being predicated on something else" IMO could apply to the crime of conspiracy [to commit the two crimes already charged], but as far as I know they haven't been charged with conspiracy...yet.

MOO

Here's the thing that's not being discussed. The [rabid] elephant in the room, or whatever idiom one would like to use:

There shouldn't need to be a gag order at all.

Why not? Because any normal LOVING father would not be discussing this case with the media; he would not be espousing conspiracy theories about his wife abandoning the kids (for ANY reason - health or otherwise). He would know how harmful and painful that would be for his children to read about.

A father who cared about his children would not be making up lies about his wife's mental health or drug use, would never allow his lawyers to do so, and would certainly not be speaking about it to the press so that his children could hear of it.

Even if he no longer loved his wife, alive or dead, he'd never rip her image apart in public, nor would he allow his lawyers to do so.

However, this man does not care about his children's wellbeing, so there needs to be a gag order, to protect the children.

Fotis Dulos couldn't bother to pay child support or health insurance though he was flying around living the high life with his girlfriend. He continues to live off the money that should go to his children, meanwhile rapidly depleting the source of funds that provides for them, rather than tell the truth - all the while spouting horrid lies about his wife having abandoned the children. Imagine the psychological damage that could do to a child.

His lawyers clearly don't care about the wellbeing of the children, either. It's appalling, and while it speaks volumes about his hatred for her, it says much more about his lack of caring about the children - fitting, for a man who would take the life of the person they needed and loved most.

 

[HopeForTheBest]

Here's the thing that's not being discussed. The [rabid] elephant in the room, or whatever idiom one would like to use:

There shouldn't need to be a gag order at all.

Why not? Because any normal LOVING father would not be discussing this case with the media; he would not be espousing conspiracy theories about his wife abandoning the kids (for ANY reason - health or otherwise). He would know how harmful and painful that would be for his children to read about.

A father who cared about his children would not be making up lies about his wife's mental health or drug use, would never allow his lawyers to do so, and would certainly not be speaking about it to the press so that his children could hear of it.

Even if he no longer loved his wife, alive or dead, he'd never rip her image apart in public, nor would he allow his lawyers to do so.

However, this man does not care about his children's wellbeing, so there needs to be a gag order, to protect the children.

Fotis Dulos couldn't bother to pay child support or health insurance, yet continues to live off the money that should go to his children, meanwhile depleting the source of funds that provides for them, rather than tell the truth - all the while spouting horrid lies about his wife having abandoned the children. Imagine the psychological damage that could do to a child. His lawyers clearly don't care about the wellbeing of the children, either. It's appalling, and while it speaks volumes about his hatred for her, it says much more about his lack of caring about the children - fitting, for a man who would take the life of the person they needed and loved most.

Yes, yes, and sadly yes.

 

[HopeForTheBest]

Thank you I agree with you 3.14159265%

Pi? I’m so lost!!! Sorry!!!

 

[dkryder]

i do not understand the need for being charged with predicate offense. supposedly they were both charged under CGS 53a-155 and so Justica has this,
2012 Connecticut General Statutes
Title 53a - Penal Code
Chapter 952 - Penal Code: Offenses
Section 53a-155 - Tampering with or fabricating physical evidence: Class D felony.

Universal Citation: CT Gen Stat § 53a-155 (2012)
(a) A person is guilty of tampering with or fabricating physical evidence if, believing that an official proceeding is pending, or about to be instituted, he: (1) Alters, destroys, conceals or removes any record, document or thing with purpose to impair its verity or availability in such proceeding; or (2) makes, presents or uses any record, document or thing knowing it to be false and with purpose to mislead a public servant who is or may be engaged in such official proceeding.

(b) Tampering with or fabricating physical evidence is a class D felony.

(1969, P.A. 828, S. 157.)

Subsec. (a):

Cited. 214 C. 540. Subdiv. (1) cited. 236 C. 514. Cited. 237 C. 339.

Evidence that defendant discarded incriminating evidence while fleeing crime scene in order to prevent the use of such evidence in a subsequent official proceeding is sufficient to sustain a conviction under section. 135 CA 635.

2012 Connecticut General Statutes :: Title 53a - Penal Code :: Chapter 952 - Penal Code: Offenses :: Section 53a-155 - Tampering with or fabricating physical evidence: Class D felony.

it seems to me another shiny object that pattis and smith have created to gum up the works with unnecessary litigation. MOO. i'm not a lawyer and would certainly like to be corrected if i'm misunderstanding the statutes.

 

[Curious in CT]

The difference is, @Mimi in London , your royalty wouldn't be caught dead (or alive) in discarded Muppet skins. (Credit to witty WS poster whose handle is in all caps, but can't recall.)

I believe it was @MDATCA

 

[Curious in CT]

Bimbo! Truer word never spoken, @Jmoose !

You just know the judge will allow this bimbo to pick up her kid...the only thing I can think of is the prosecution is trying not to make her mad, so they can extract some useful information from her, as if she really will, at this point, tell them anything. I wonder if FD is having Thanksgiving and Christmas dinners with MT and family? Would anyone really even stop them? I am 100% sure that they are communicating.

 

[Midwestmom2019]

Can mods change caption
Remains Found Identified As...
Everytime I see that I jump, thinking it’s Jennifer Farber Dulos.

 

[glassheater]

Welcome @glassheater! So glad you are here as we have been working hard to understand more about Greek cultural and religious issues and their possible impact on this tragic case. Given the age of FD many seem to believe that he might not have been as closely tied to his homelands traditions and cultural roles but as we have learned more about him, it does appear that he was quite traditional in his views on things and in particular about his family and how it functioned too. FD 'sister' Rena (not sure of her last name as she seems to have at least 3 including her married name and we have no way of knowing if Rena is truly FD 'sister' or 'step sister' etc.) wrote an impassioned letter which was shared with the Press about her brother and how the 'people in Greece' who know FD support him etc. and how he supported his family during the crisis in Greece.

So far as we know from what was in the Family Court documents, following the traditions of Greece and the Greek Orthodox faith was quite important to FD. It is believed that the family also followed the 'naming day' tradition and FD might have been at Welles in NC on the Wed. before JD went missing for such a "name day" celebration.

Not sure exactly whose 'name day' it might have been but here is list of possible options for around the time of May 23rd:

THEOGNOSTOS (Theognostos, Theognosios, Theognosia) 19 May THEOKTISTOS (Theoktistos) 19 May LEEDA (2) (Lida) 20 May LIDIA (2) (Lydia, Lidia, Lidie, Lyda, Lydie) 20 May LITO (Lito, Leeto, Leto) 20 May CONSTANTIN (Konstantinos, Kostantinos, Kostas, Costas, Constantine, Costantine, Gus) 21 May CONSTANTINA (Thina, Kostantina, Dina, Costantina) 21 May HELEN (Elena, Elene, Ellen, Eleni, Lena, Eleanor, Eleonora, Eleonor, Nora, Marilena) 21 May NANTIA (Nantia, Nandia, Nadia, Nadya) 21 May EMILIOS (Emile, Emilia, Emily, Emma) 22 May KODROS (Kodros) 22 May (no widely known nameday) 23 May CHRISTIAN (Christian) 24 May MARKIANI (Markiani) 24 May PALLADIA (Palladia) 24 May PHOTINI (2) (Fotine, Fotini, Foto, Fotoula, Fay, Fofo) 24 May (source ©: www.namedays.gr)

Εορτολόγιο Ελληνικών Ονομάτων - Orthodox Greek Namedays

name day celebrations in Greece are bigger than birthdays in a lot of instances. It wouldn’t surprise me if he was big on celebrating them. What’s weird is if he indeed did celebrate his name Day on the 24th of May, then he chose his name day to commit the crime.......

Everything that strikes me about Fotis is the stereotypical larger than life Greek ( and I’ve known several) who on one hand, is very generous and funny but also has a dark and controlling side. Of course most men like this do not murder their wives. It seems to me ( and I’m sure this has been discussed in previous threads) the divorce would mean the loss of money since he was being funded by his inlaws and therefor; the loss of his “can do, successful entrepreneur, self made man” image. I don’t think his gigantic ego could handle it and I’m not surprised he filed for sole custody under the guise of a concerned and caring Dad to keep money flowing. JMO.

As a side note - generosity can be a double edged sword. I’ve know plenty of generous people who give to truly give. Others give for control, image, indebtedness.

 

[Tink56]

name day celebrations in Greece are bigger than birthdays in a lot of instances. It wouldn’t surprise me if he was big on celebrating them. What’s weird is if he indeed did celebrate his name Day on the 24th of May, then he chose his name day to commit the crime.......

Everything that strikes me about Fotis is the stereotypical larger than life Greek ( and I’ve known several) who on one hand, is very generous and funny but also has a dark and controlling side. Of course most men like this do not murder their wives. It seems to me ( and I’m sure this has been discussed in previous threads) the divorce would mean the loss of money since he was being funded by his inlaws and therefor; the loss of his “can do, successful entrepreneur, self made man” image. I don’t think his gigantic ego could handle it and I’m not surprised he filed for sole custody under the guise of a concerned and caring Dad to keep money flowing. JMO.

As a side note - generosity can be a double edged sword. I’ve know plenty of generous people who give to truly give. Others give for control, image, indebtedness.

Thank you for your thoughtful comments. Sharing your knowledge of Greek customs is truly an asset to our discussion.

And, WOW!....I hadn't realized that May 24th would have been FD's name day. That gives some insight into the "perhaps" dinner party the evening of the 23rd and a macabre shadow over the events of the 24th. Fotis would certainly celebrate himself, IMO, and JFD was an impediment to his happiness as he pictured his future. As he said in the television interview, paraphrased, "My life was wonderful....Jennifer needs to fix this 'mess.'" MOO...IMO....

 

[pernickety]

Thank you for your thoughtful comments. Sharing your knowledge of Greek customs is truly an asset to our discussion.

And, WOW!....I hadn't realized that May 24th would have been FD's name day. That gives some insight into the "perhaps" dinner party the evening of the 23rd and a macabre shadow over the events of the 24th. Fotis would certainly celebrate himself, IMO, and JFD was an impediment to his happiness as he pictured his future. As he said in the television interview, paraphrased, "My life was wonderful....Jennifer needs to fix this 'mess.'" MOO...IMO....

Fox news reports NP told reporter FD's family coming from Greece to celebrate Thanksgiving and "holidays"

New developments in the disappearance of Connecticut mother Jennifer Dulos

 

[Daisyeve]

Fox news reports NP told reporter FD's family coming from Greece to celebrate Thanksgiving and "holidays"

New developments in the disappearance of Connecticut mother Jennifer Dulos

I hope FD is ordered to move out of GF’s house before they get here. I am sure that celebrating the holidays isn’t the real reason they are coming. MOO

 

[Daisyeve]

I hope FD is ordered to move out of GF’s house before they get here. I am sure that celebrating the holidays isn’t the real reason they are coming. MOO

Now let’s see who is planning to pick them up from the airport.

 

[pernickety]

Now let’s see who is planning to pick them up from the airport.

Video: Fotis Dulos expected to take the stand in separate civil lawsuit

Will his family be in courtroom to lend support?

 

[Jmoose]

Thanksgiving has already happened, so at least some of his family has gotten here-celebrating at 4JX? Interesting that nobody knew about it until today. Nothing can stop him from entertaining his Greek family wherever he is living, though. As long as MT wasn’t there...