Deceased/Not Found CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #46

[spaz1959]

@spaz1959, Its always interesting to try and figure out as an outsider which of the participants might have known the others. We have seen with Fd that he might have kept certain friends separated. I thought it was interesting that KM and Fd didn't socialise with their partners as we saw KM STBX had never met Fd prior to his calling her up to meet at the bar to 'patch things up with KM'.

We never knew whether KM did any of the legal work for the 'Friend Loans' or was this perhaps done by the infamous Atty. Markowitz? Why would KM want more info on the Masiello family? Ditto for MT? But, if Fd kept his school friends separate from people in his present life then it might make sense that these folks would 'check out' someone that Fd knew that supposedly had deep enough pockets to 'lend him' $600,000.

Its a tangled web and so hopefully following along as the case on Sturbridge gets untangled in Court might answer some of these questions about how all these people (KM, MT, and Masiello) might have known each other or not.

MOO

A couple things went through my head. One was maybe MT and KM also saw the motion filed with Masiello as well. We don't know what these 2 are looking at or following online.

 

[annekris]

Ooooooof $600,000. Get in line Henry.

 

[citygirl]

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I guess we will have to see how this will play out with the interpretor going forward.

Atty Bowman asked MT about translation assistance as did the Judge in her first AW1 Court Appearance. All assistance was declined.

Now we have the New Atty and I'm wondering just how all this will shake out with MT prior statements made in English?

Seems like a tricky and slippery road here IMO.

My guess is based on moves so far will be to seek to have prior statements in English by MT not favourable to MT defense tossed out and those that are favourable to remain.

Its all quite ridiculous IMO and I do wonder if he thought it through and the consequences of over 8 months of activity in Court on the case too?

Atty Bowman might be many things but IMO he is meticulous and he must have been shocked at the ongoing MT lying and perhaps then might have attributed it to language and so asked about translation assistance. But, MT declined.

I kind of envision it happening maybe like this or not, IDK:

MT First Interview with LE and Atty Bowman:

LE: What time did you get up on the morning of May 24, 2019 MT?

MT: I don't know but maybe I sorta had to get out of bed in time to maybe make my daughter breakfast but only on school days. But wait, I am not sure if my daughter was there at all as maybe she left on her own with a friend before I go down. But my daughter does sometimes like granola and berries for breakfast. But I'm not sure if we had any milk to go with that in the refrigerator. But, maybe Fotis he had stopped to get milk and so yea I got up and maybe made a small bowl of granola and berries with milk for my daughter. I don't know, I'm just not sure if I remember much about that morning and I had a rough night at the party the night before as we had tons of shots and such fun party drugs too. Have you ever heard of E? WOWee! We partied like we were in the best Miami Clubs. Do you know I used to work in Miami clubs? Yes, I know lots about Miami and Miami Clubs and drugs, I know lots about those too and I told Fotis about all these drugs and we always had such fun times.

But I do know if I drive my daughter to school that I have to do my hair and look nice as the moms at EW are so competitive and I don't want my daughter to be embarrassed of me and my frizzy hair and beat up sweats. Wait, I had straight hair on May 24, 2019 so I wonder if that meant that I did take my daughter to school? I don't know, this is all so confusing to me, maybe the hair was straight due to the party the night before. Maybe I take a fun shower with Fotis too as we love fun showers? IDK, but I'm not sure Fotis would approve of me eating granola and berries as there are way too many calories in that. So, no I'm not sure I ate breakfast at all as I only eat 500 calories a day and only what Fotis says is OK too. I'm always kinda hungry for some reason and I usually don't know where my daughter is either but I do know she doesn't take the bus as she says that would be embarrassing. I'm not even sure if it was a school day either? DO you know?

My mom was there too on the May 24th and so maybe she woke up early to take my daughter to school. Mom do you remember if you took my daughter to school?

Mama A to LE: On the advice of Counsel I take the 5th Amendment and I would remind my daughter to not involve me in this sordid affair!

LE to Mama A: Ma'am, did you perhaps take the daughter to school on May 24, 2019?

Mama A to LE: Why are you addressing me? I told you I will take the 5th on any/all questions you ask me. I am just here to support my daughter is even though she is 44 years old she has never been the brightest bulb of my children so I need to make sure she is ok as a hard day for her is firing up her straightening iron and doing her hair!

After 3 hrs. of similar responses to a variety of questions

LE to Atty Colangelo: Sir, let's just call this a wrap as I'm ready to vote for ritual suicide of all of us as I simply cannot take another moment of this from this witness.

Atty Colangelo to Atty Bowman: You can wake up know, its over and we are leaving. Good luck with your clients BTW. Don't call us, we will call you (NOT!).

MOO

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M O O.

 

[afitzy]

Ooooooof $600,000. Get in line Henry.

Yep, I hadn't seen this filing by Atty Weinstein on behalf of GF. As expected he/GF are contesting the prior liens of Yannis Tout and Masiello. Its interesting that the CT Marshalls sent the case info to Yannis Tout c/o Pan Pan in Greece and have proof that he received the information sent. But, it doesn't appear that Yannis has engaged Counsel to protect his claim. As we saw today, it appears that Masiello has engaged Counsel to protect their interest in the Sturbridge Property.

http://civilinquiry.jud.ct.gov/DocumentInquiry/DocumentInquiry.aspx?DocumentNo=18527012

 

[afitzy]

For any who haven't taken a look at the deposition questions posed by Atty Weinstein to MT in the Civil Case here is a link:

http://civilinquiry.jud.ct.gov/CaseDetail/PublicCaseDetail.aspx?DocketNo=HHDCV186088970S

Reading through the deposition questions posed by Atty Weinstein again to MT and to me at least there is little question that MT and Fd operated in tandem at FORE and in their personal life and the idea that MT wouldn't know about all the details of the plan to murder JFd simply seems implausible IMO. The extent to which MT as a mistress to Fd and her daughter 'gained' financially via their relationship with Fd/FORE also was clear and obvious as MT didn't pay rent, got a salary from Fore, got a car to use from FORE and didn't pay for travel, food etc. So, when Atty Bowman made his off the cuff remark about MT having no 'motive' in case to murder JFd I believe that to simply be a statement that is implausible as well. Fd seemed to live his life organised around maximises tax gimmicks which is ironic as he hadn't filed taxes in 2 years and it seems like his tax gimmicks included MT as well. I do hope we find out whether MT had in fact filed taxes in CT and US Federal to report her income from FORE or whether she kept some kind of sham going with FL residency and taxes.

What is interesting is that the reason I went back to the deposition request was to see if the language question was ever discussed and I couldn't find any reference. What I do find so fascinating about the language question is that if you look at the video I posted earlier today with the first MT meeting with LE and Atty Colangelo at Atty Bowmans office its is clear that Mama A was in attendance (this was back in June, 2019 I believe) and then flash forward to the Civil Case back and forth and this happened in the November-December, 2019 timeframe and YET AGAIN on the days of the deposition THERE IS MAMA A present in lockstep with MT.

Given what we know about Mama A, namely that she is can we safely say a 'demanding and creative client of legal services' perhaps, I find it oh so suspicious that if language were an issue that Mama A would have been throwing a fit and shutting down Court proceedings long long ago going back to the time of AW1 hearing when the Judge asked if MT wanted a translator and the translator was declined. We NEVER saw Mama A asking for translation services at any of the MT hearings.

My only reason for bringing this up yet again is that at the most recent hearing we heard Atty Colangelo going on the record that this need for a translator was the 'first he had heard of it' and that there have been so many other Court experiences so far for MT where she could have asked for a translator and didn't.

I don't think anyone objects to Defendant translation services if its warranted but to have lack of prior translation services be grounds to dismiss prior testimony when clear evidence exists that MT declined such services AND she was represented by Counsel AND MAMA A was clear and present and able to speak up for MT, very much has me wondering where the NEW Atty is going with this issue. IDK?

MOO

 

[Canchance]

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@Canchance, There are any number of MSM cites about the party aspect of the Wednesday visit but this is quick version from NYT article. I never have any luck searching WS but we spent at least 1 thread many months ago discussing this aspect of the Fd visit.

MOO

Thank you. I’m still not convinced. Call me skeptical. I saw no mention of name day celebration in that snippit and as far as MSM goes.... an even bigger skeptic. In a nut shell - I have not seen yet any positive evidence of it being a name day celebration. Why would she buy a cake for FD to celebrate with the kids while she stayed locked behind closed doors. I don’t even think she would buy a name day cake. He was the Greek, not her.

 

[Canchance]

Let's go back to the bloody 1/2 print footprint at JD garage. No one knows what kind of shoe, or size shoe made this footprint?

Yes!! This seems crucial

 

[Alkali13]

Thank you. I’m still not convinced. Call me skeptical. I saw no mention of name day celebration in that snippit and as far as MSM goes.... an even bigger skeptic. In a nut shell - I have not seen yet any positive evidence of it being a name day celebration. Why would she buy a cake for FD to celebrate with the kids while she stayed locked behind closed doors. I don’t even think she would buy a name day cake. He was the Greek, not her.

Just because the celebration may not have been important to her doesn't mean it wasn't important to the kids. I have no firm answer either way if it was a name day celebration, but if it was and it was important to the kids, I'd put my money on JFD providing a cake if she had to.

 

[CTGrammy]

Thank you. I’m still not convinced. Call me skeptical. I saw no mention of name day celebration in that snippit and as far as MSM goes.... an even bigger skeptic. In a nut shell - I have not seen yet any positive evidence of it being a name day celebration. Why would she buy a cake for FD to celebrate with the kids while she stayed locked behind closed doors. I don’t even think she would buy a name day cake. He was the Greek, not her.

Was JFd the Only person that could provide the food and cake?

Absolutely Not.

Fd Purchased and Brought Everything with Him and then JFd and the nanny just placed everything out on the patio for the children and Fd.

It has been reported in MSM that the visitation was Also a Name Day celebration. I will try and find the quote.

In addition, by reading JFd's posts on her blogs, Fd was ALL ABOUT the Name Day celebrations.

Fd would have Definitely taken the opportunity to celebrate the Name Day for one of the children that was just a day earlier.

In the Greek culture, the Name Day is More Important than the birth day.

IMO.

 

[Alkali13]

Yes!! This seems crucial

I want it to be crucial, but, for all we know, it could be JFD's footprint.

I know LE has way more evidence than they've put in the AWs, but I feel like a partial footprint that could link FD or MT to the garage AND JFD's blood would be mentioned, especially if they seized the shoe that caused it. The shoe would likely still test positive for blood, wouldn't it? Or at the very least be used as evidence towards a murder warrant? Or push a charge from just conspiracy to murder?

 

[Alathea]

I'm with you on wondering about the whole 'why not go out' for dinner routine and why stay at Welles.

I do wonder though if the reason they stayed was because it was the Name Day celebration and they wanted to do a cake (I think this is the tradition that someone shared many threads ago?). It might have been harder to do this in a restaurant is my guess.

I don't know about anyone else but I am still periodically haunted by the LA testimony about how she put the food outside and then she and JFd stayed inside behind a locked door. Haunting image to be sure and I can't help but think that JFd didn't even want Fd on the patio but she no doubt did it because it was a celebration for the children to celebrate a Name Day. I do wonder if the older children will remember this last meeting/event with their father and mother hiding inside possibly for years to come?

MOO

Geez, it gives me the chills just thinking about this insane stalker using a “visit with his kids” as an excuse to eventually get to their mother. I hardly believe he “just realized” the Farm didn’t serve dinner and closes at 6PM.
IMO, most parents who have a scheduled visitation date to see their kids would prepare and plan to make the best use of their time with their kids. Sadly, FD was more interested in finding a way to get to JD, then enjoy his time with his kids. THAT was his plan from the start. But yes, why would JD allow him to come back to the house to provide dinner there? Please know, I am not blaming her in the least, I just suspect FD made some lame excuse to get her to agree. And like you said, kids being kids, they would much rather go out for dinner than go back home to eat Mom’s regular food. Unless he tempted the kids by promising pizza to be delivered to the house. Perhaps he planted a listening device or a hidden camera to gain information about JD’s routine or plans or something that would allow him access into the garage for another time. I wonder if a window in the garage was unlocked...

Was JFd the Only person that could provide the food and cake?

Absolutely Not.

Fd Purchased and Brought Everything with Him and then JFd and the nanny just placed everything out on the patio for the children and Fd.

It has been reported in MSM that the visitation was Also a name day celebration. I will try and find the quote.

In addition, by reading JFd's posts on her blogs, Fd was ALL ABOUT the name day celebrations.

Fd would have Definitely taken the opportunity to celebrate the name day for one of the children that was just a day earlier.

In the Greek culture, the name day is more important than the birth day.

IMO.

Fd used religion like he used his kids - they were an excuse to get what he wanted, when he wanted it. He had his own mother cremated (against his supposed religion), for example.

That last visitation day was planned, and used, to scope out the house/back area/garage. That's why he created the confusion regarding the visitation timing/location/food. It was carefully planned by him to get more info he needed about the garage, and perhaps to throw Jennifer off course in some other way.

Was MT in the truck behind ON THAT DAY? Perhaps. We will find out soon enough.

It's simply chilling that Jennifer lived in such fear while he used the kids' visitation (and possibly "holiday") to further plot out the murder.

 

[Alathea]

I want it to be crucial, but, for all we know, it could be JFD's footprint.

I know LE has way more evidence than they've put in the AWs, but I feel like a partial footprint that could link FD or MT to the garage AND JFD's blood would be mentioned, especially if they seized the shoe that caused it. The shoe would likely still test positive for blood, wouldn't it? Or at the very least be used as evidence towards a murder warrant? Or push a charge from just conspiracy to murder?

Doubtful. If it were Jennifer's shoe print, they'd have mentioned that. No sense not to do so at the point that info was released.

The fact that they don't state whose it was (and we KNOW they know, IMO! ) leads me to believe it was MT's (she wore that type of shoe, after all, no?) or Fd's.

 

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[spaz1959]

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Very Interesting. I'm glad the story is still being explored by reporters. I was concerned with the Story of Jennifer's murder, getting back burnered with FD death.

 

[Alkali13]

Doubtful. If it were Jennifer's shoe print, they'd have mentioned that. No sense not to do so at the point that info was released.

The fact that they don't state whose it was (and we KNOW they know, IMO! ) leads me to believe it was MT's (she wore that type of shoe, after all, no?) or Fd's.

It was only mentioned in the SW. Would they include "there was a bloody footprint that didn't belong to our suspect found at the scene" in the AW? I doubt it.

I want to be wrong, but if they had solid evidence that the print linked one of them to the scene and time of the murder, I just don't see why it wouldn't be included in the AW.

If they could link it to MT, I also think she would have more than just a conspiracy charge. If it's not JFD's, it's FD's. I think they either know it's JFD's, or they can't link it to anyone conclusively or even strongly, aka they haven't found the matching shoe anywhere (which unfortunately makes me think a set of shoes may have gone through MIRA).

MOO. Obviously.

ETA: Regarding the type of shoe: We know MT has Chucks, and we know that LE were looking for Chucks in one of their SWs. We don't know what type of shoe the footprint in the garage is. They might be connected, they might not be. The shoes were mentioned in conjunction with other things seen on surveillance on Albany during the trash odyssey, which makes me wonder if FD or MT were wearing Chucks that night. I've yet to find proof of whether FD owned a pair, but they are popular shoes.

I cannot wait for more information. The more info we get, the more opinions/ideas/perspectives that have come out. I'm thirsty for some answers.

 

[spaz1959]

A couple things went through my head. One was maybe MT and KM also saw the motion filed with Masiello as well. We don't know what these 2 are looking at or following online.

Also doing further research on what kind of tools Mr. Masiello's company has, I found he has what's called a Vacuum Truck. It can be used to suck out septic tank, or sewer lines.

 

[Canchance]

Just because the celebration may not have been important to her doesn't mean it wasn't important to the kids. I have no firm answer either way if it was a name day celebration, but if it was and it was important to the kids, I'd put my money on JFD providing a cake if she had to.

I plan to search out more details of the day because I can’t remember anymore what I’ve read. But my thought as of now is that JFD wasn’t around much longer after that day to have conveyed her version of the day to anyone. So other than the nanny and hopefully friends she may have confided in, all accounts of that day came from FD. My thoughts regarding her providing the cake is only that I would think that if she did celebrate the name days, she would have done so ON the actual days. The name day situation, in and of itself, is inconsequential anyway. But I do believe that the visit that day played a huge role in the planning of the murder

 

[Wicked Strong]

Yes, today my state has rendered a guilty verdict of second degree murder in a case where no body was ever found! Just thought I'd share the good news that you don't need a body to convict.

Joshua Keadle, man accused of killing missing college student, found guilty of murder

 

[tmar]

Yes, today my state has rendered a guilty verdict of second degree murder in a case where no body was ever found! Just thought I'd share the good news that you don't need a body to convict.

Joshua Keadle, man accused of killing missing college student, found guilty of murder

Great, we're hearing more of these cases "Guilty, without body being found".
These Creeps are being round up, with Justice working at its best.
MOO,

 

[afitzy]

Sleazy Fotis Dulos kills beautiful wife to raid his own kids’ trust funds: Docs



Quotes from article:

Troconis and Fotis Dulos were arrested in June on charges of tampering with evidence connected to the disappearance. Tuesday’s arrest affidavit says that investigators found:

• Bags of blood-stained clothing and sponges that Dulos allegedly dropped into trash cans at businesses in Connecticut
• Stains of blood on Jennifer’s garage floor
• Blood spatter in numerous areas of Jennifer’s home
• Dulos’ DNA mixed in with Jennifer’s blood on her kitchen faucet
• Obvious attempts to clean up the scene
• Altered Connecticut license plates that belonged to Dulos
• Security footage of Dulos driving his Ford pickup to various locations, dropping trash bags into different public trash receptacles
• Security footage of Troconis “leaning out of the passenger seat of the Ford pickup and either placing something on the ground or picking up an item”
• Blood DNA that matched to Jennifer inside Pawel Gummienny’s truck. Gummienny was an employee of Dulos’s company; Dulos borrowed his truck on the day Jennifer Dulos disappeared.

After the arraignment, Fotis Dulos’ attorney Norm Pattis told reporters that he intends to present evidence explaining the prosecutor’s evidence “from Fotis himself,” according to the Daily Mail.