Deceased/Not Found CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #47

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  • #281
eww, I like your scope of deeper thinking and
creative head scratchin'.
Have you exhausted the reasons for someone
going to Birch St., Bristol on the same day as
the murder??
This is such an out of the way place for someone living in Farmington's upper crust areas. They just don't go over to the Middle St./ESPN area. It's such a mixed bag of little
old houses, small manufacturing places,
all the dumps and chemical dumping sites.
Suburban residents may go through there to get some other place, but few go there with a purpose. Sat. afternoon 2:30pm. Purpose?
Friday afternoon at 2:30pm-3:00pm actually, which is even more odd IMO.

Based on the timing of cell tower info LE pulled, I don't think it is likely that the same person who went to 190 Old Farms in Avon went to Bristol. Possible, but not likely, especially if it's the white Jeep (which didn't leave 80MS until 2:24 I believe).

190 Old Farms Tower - 2:15pm-2:45pm
White Jeep leaves 80 MS heading NB toward Avon - 2:24pm - approximately 12 minutes to 190 Old Farms (so about 2:39 ETA if that's where Jeep headed)
193 Birch Tower - 2:30pm-3:00pm - located about 24 minutes from 190 Old Farms

We have no other records in the AWs of a vehicle leaving 80MS around this time, and KM wasn't interviewed for the first time until a few days after the cell tower data was pulled. Could this ping have been about KM? Or was he not part of LE's equation yet?

ITA that this area of Bristol isn't somewhere any of these three would've gone without a purpose. Even looking at Route 72 near 193 Birch, there just isn't much here for them.
 
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  • #282
This is an intriguing theory; I’m still not sure the AWs support the accomplice theory but this is food for thought. For instance there is no information about KMs movements all day. MT seems to have her own alibi all set up but we have not heard much substance about where KM was during that day.

This really bothers me too, @annekris. LE had video from neighbor's security cameras around 4JX and MS. Do they have video of KM arriving and leaving 4JX on the 24th? MS? Did KM meet Fd at MS on the evening of the 23rd?

I want to know what KM was doing on the 24th. Hoping to hear something at his hearing...UGH!
 
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This really bothers me too, @annekris. LE had video from neighbor's security cameras around 4JX and MS. Do they have video of KM arriving and leaving 4JX on the 24th? MS? Did KM meet Fd at MS on the evening of the 23rd?

I want to know what KM was doing on the 24th. Hoping to hear something at his hearing...UGH!
I've thought it was strategic and telling that none of this info was included in the AWs, but after Colangelo said on Friday that a LOT of the evidence is already in the AWs, I'm a little concerned as to what KM was doing that day. Is it possible their evidence against him really is as flimsy as his AW?
 
  • #285
Thank you. So it's not necessarily out of character either.

yes, but the media makes it in a way that it seems very out of character. there are more photos from before with shaved head.
 
  • #286
I've thought it was strategic and telling that none of this info was included in the AWs, but after Colangelo said on Friday that a LOT of the evidence is already in the AWs, I'm a little concerned as to what KM was doing that day. Is it possible their evidence against him really is as flimsy as his AW?

remember the first time LE talked with KM was June 9th, before that he apparently was not even on their radar or was considered so
inconsequential that there was no rush to interview him.
This brings me back to thinking LE doesn't have much on him other than lying about
so much of what he does know about the planning and maybe FD's and Mt's cover-up.

Also a chronic alcoholic would not be who I'd choose to be involved in a murder for fear
their alcoholic behavior would interfere.
 
  • #287
Question: Was it stated anywhere that the car was running? You can shut most cars off while still in gear, you just can't start them.
The Suburban has push button on/off. To turn the engine off, it must be in park.

keyless entry with push button start
New 2017 Chevrolet Suburban Model Detail Information | El Paso Car Sales

Stopping the Engine/Off

Shift to Park and press the ENGINE START/STOP button to turn off the engine.
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  • #288
"FD would have planned better and taken JFd's purse along, leaving it or at least some of its contents not far from her car to indicate she'd been abducted and robbed. "

I believe FD did not plan on the time needed to cleanup the garage. Therefore, some of the details, like the purse, was not considered. MOO
 
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  • #289
"Ms. Almeida noticed the rear mudroom door which led outside was unlocked." If Accomplice #1 drove JFd's Suburban out the garage and then parked at Waveny for 40 minutes and then left via Tacoma northbound on the Merritt, did Accomplice #2 leave out the mudroom door and through the woods and forgot to lock the mudroom door behind him/her? If there was only one co-conspirator present at 69 Welles on 5/24/19, did he or she go out the mudroom door to pick up the bike first and then re-enter forgetting to lock the mudroom door behind him/her before getting into the Suburban?

Why two ponchos?

IMO, JFd saw the shaved head and knew what was coming. I re-read AW#3 understanding why JFd might have wanted to leave for NYC right away and let LA drop the children off to school on Friday morning - JFd knew this was the Memorial Day weekend in which Fd had "lost" his request to "reintroduce" his children to MT and her daughter, by court order. See May 17th court date plus fender bender in Tolland involving MT for the reaction of MT. MT was losing Fd because a younger, prettier, smarter, more presentable AC was being prepped but MT couldn't put her finger on who or how...just that time was running out. All or nothing on Memorial Day weekend. MOO.


Fd's AW#3 page 29 of 35:

  • On 05/23/19 Jennifer discussed the possibility of Ms. Almeida staying overnight at 69 Welles Lane as Jennifer had an early doctor appointment in the city the next morning. Jennifer ultimately decided she would stay in New Canaan, bring the children to school per usual, then leave for the appointment. She told Ms. Almeida it would not be necessary for her to stay at Welles Lane that night. Jennifer also told Ms. Almeida she was planning on taking the Range Rover to the city because it was smaller and easier to park than the Suburban.
  • On 05/24/19 Ms. Almeida arrived at 69 Welles Lane at 11:30 AM. As usual, she opened the center bay garage door via the keypad and immediately noticed the Range Rover was still parked in the garage while the Suburban was gone. Upon entering the kitchen, she noticed Jennifer's handbag was on the floor in the doorway between the mudroom and kitchen, and she found Jennifer's unopened granola bar and mug of tea on the kitchen counter. As she washed Jennifer's mug, Ms. Almeida noticed the paper towel roll near the sink needed replacement. She went to the pantry for a new roll and found only two fresh rolls were left. Ms. Almeida found this "incredibly strange" because just the night before she had placed a brand-new pack of twelve rolls in the pantry. Ms. Almeida wrote, "I sat there and wondered what had happened last night that they used ten rolls of towel rolls."
  • After picking up four of the children, as the fifth went directly to a friend's home, Ms. Almeida returned to Welles Lane and fed the children lunch in the kitchen. At 12:43 PM, Ms. Almeida sent a text message to Jennifer which went unanswered. As she and children prepared to leave the home, Ms. Almeida noticed the rear mudroom door which led outside was unlocked. This door was routinely locked unless the children were playing in the backyard. After locking this door, Ms. Almeida sent another text message to Jennifer at 1:10 PM that she would be arriving in New York City with the children at 2:30 PM. This message also went unanswered.
Source: Read the Fotis Dulos Arrest Warrant
Just chilling. Since there is no mention of blood, footprints or fingerprints on the floor or pantry in the kitchen, did FD and/or MT take the paper towels out into the garage in preparation to clean up the bloody mess
before JD returned home? If so, they were lucky LA had just restocked them. Otherwise, with all of the blood shed, you’d think something would have been left in the kitchen/pantry while they searched for paper towels. JMO
 
  • #290
Talked to a relative in Bristol yesterday who reminded me we have another relative by marriage who owns a storage facility near Middle St. and ESPM. She said this storage
facility owner was always complaining about
people leaving barrels w/chemicals and hazardous materials in them, after their lease
was up and they vacated the premises.
that's why I thought a sealed barrel loaded up w/ lie
or hydrochloric acid (and a body) would not be out of place in this area. Especially if delivered to one of the drop off spots that accepts these
materials.
thanks for correcting me on the day, Alkali13, so it was
a regular work day for these facilities.
eta- or maybe FD rented a storage spot in this area and the barrel is still there.
now it would be simply a liquid sludge if chemicals were used.
Now I'm wondering if LE knows the purpose of someone being in this area?
And how much scouting around they did here?
 
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  • #291
The Suburban has push button on/off. To turn the engine off, it must be in park.

keyless entry with push button start
New 2017 Chevrolet Suburban Model Detail Information | El Paso Car Sales

Stopping the Engine/Off

Shift to Park and press the ENGINE START/STOP button to turn off the engine.
https://my.chevrolet.com/content/da...hevrolet-tahoe-suburban-get-to-know-guide.pdf
I would ask that someone experiment with this, but I have NO IDEA if it will damage your car. I also don't know if this differs car to car.

This video clearly shows that his vehicle shuts off when hitting the button while driving (at low speed, NOT while driving highway speed), so it would also hypothetically work in reverse at low speed, correct?
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ETA: According to this article, it's happened enough to be a thing. Quote: "In other life-threatening incidents, keyless ignition cars turned off but not put in park have simply rolled away – in one case, running over a driver who had already exited."
“Cool” Keyless Ignition Systems Can Trigger Accidents - Searcy Law

Not that any of this proves whether the car was on or not, my initial point is just that we don't KNOW it was on.
 
  • #292
Just chilling. Since there is no mention of blood, footprints or fingerprints on the floor or pantry in the kitchen, did FD and/or MT take the paper towels out into the garage in preparation to clean up the bloody mess
before JD returned home? If so, they were lucky LA had just restocked them. Otherwise, with all of the blood shed, you’d think something would have been left in the kitchen/pantry while they searched for paper towels. JMO
That is why I keep thinking he did not intend on killing her or plan on the blood loss. He planned on zip ties since he brought them but did not bring any cleaning supplies or anything to soak up blood.
 
  • #293
Friday afternoon at 2:30pm-3:00pm actually, which is even more odd IMO.

Based on the timing of cell tower info LE pulled, I don't think it is likely that the same person who went to 190 Old Farms in Avon went to Bristol. Possible, but not likely, especially if it's the white Jeep (which didn't leave 80MS until 2:24 I believe).

190 Old Farms Tower - 2:15pm-2:45pm
White Jeep leaves 80 MS heading NB toward Avon - 2:24pm - approximately 12 minutes to 190 Old Farms (so about 2:39 ETA if that's where Jeep headed)
193 Birch Tower - 2:30pm-3:00pm - located about 24 minutes from 190 Old Farms

We have no other records in the AWs of a vehicle leaving 80MS around this time, and KM wasn't interviewed for the first time until a few days after the cell tower data was pulled. Could this ping have been about KM? Or was he not part of LE's equation yet?

ITA that this area of Bristol isn't somewhere any of these three would've gone without a purpose. Even looking at Route 72 near 193 Birch, there just isn't much here for them.
I agree with all the prior characterizations of this area. There is a small shopping center with a Stop and Shop grocer and I think a liquor store - definitely would find dumpsters here for disposal of body or items. Does anyone know what that pond/lagoon in Pine Lake Park looks like or how deep it is? If you look at the map of all the pings ( thank you @Alkali13) most are easily accessible off rt 10 with the exception of Crossroads in Bishops Corner WH. I think Bristol is a strong contender for dumping of the body. I cannot remember where the Tacoma exited rt 84 on the way back from NC - could it have exited onto rt 10 and quickly detoured to this area in Bristol before continuing on rt 10 heading north returning to Farmington? Did one of them return to the dumping spot that afternoon for some
reason ?
 
  • #294
Friday afternoon at 2:30pm-3:00pm actually, which is even more odd IMO.

Based on the timing of cell tower info LE pulled, I don't think it is likely that the same person who went to 190 Old Farms in Avon went to Bristol. Possible, but not likely, especially if it's the white Jeep (which didn't leave 80MS until 2:24 I believe).

190 Old Farms Tower - 2:15pm-2:45pm
White Jeep leaves 80 MS heading NB toward Avon - 2:24pm - approximately 12 minutes to 190 Old Farms (so about 2:39 ETA if that's where Jeep headed)
193 Birch Tower - 2:30pm-3:00pm - located about 24 minutes from 190 Old Farms

We have no other records in the AWs of a vehicle leaving 80MS around this time, and KM wasn't interviewed for the first time until a few days after the cell tower data was pulled. Could this ping have been about KM? Or was he not part of LE's equation yet?

ITA that this area of Bristol isn't somewhere any of these three would've gone without a purpose. Even looking at Route 72 near 193 Birch, there just isn't much here for them.

The return trip of the Toyota Tacoma from New Canaan the morning of 5/24 would have taken that vehicle past Bristol (Tacoma was spotted NB on Rt 15, then NB on Rt 8, then EB on I-84 before vehicle was spotted 22 minutes later on Mountain Spring Rd).

So, raises the possibility Toyota Tacoma stopped very briefly at Bristol on return trip from New Canaan (shortly after the Tacoma was spotted at 12:00 pm EB on I-84 Exit 25A at Waterbury, but before arriving 22 minutes later at 80 Mountain Spring Rd) and then someone of interest went to that same area later that afternoon (between 2:30 and 3:00). So, perhaps bagged-and-zip-tied-body left in private location on way back from New Canaan and then someone of interest was in that area 2-plus hours later to pick up or dispose of it?

ETA: Time seems too tight to have made the Bristol stop on the return trip from New Canaan. If Tacoma drives directly from exit 25A to 80 MS, that would likely have taken the full 22 minutes. The timing of the return trip from New Canaan is tight. Seems like, if a transfer was made along the route, it would have had to occur at a freeway exit or rest stop, with easy on/off freeway.
 
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  • #295
I agree with all the prior characterizations of this area. There is a small shopping center with a Stop and Shop grocer and I think a liquor store - definitely would find dumpsters here for disposal of body or items. Does anyone know what that pond/lagoon in Pine Lake Park looks like or how deep it is? If you look at the map of all the pings ( thank you @Alkali13) most are easily accessible off rt 10 with the exception of Crossroads in Bishops Corner WH. I think Bristol is a strong contender for dumping of the body. I cannot remember where the Tacoma exited rt 84 on the way back from NC - could it have exited onto rt 10 and quickly detoured to this area in Bristol before continuing on rt 10 heading north returning to Farmington? Did one of them return to the dumping spot that afternoon for some
reason ?
the Stop n Shop used to be down on Farmington Ave. which is several miles from this area. And Rt. 6 from Farmington area would be a more direct route, IMO.
Middle St. was a specific destination here with a purpose.
The route back from NC stopped following on 84 at a juncture which could have taken 3 different directions. Waterbury, Bristol or northerly to New Hartford and circle around to Farmington.
 
  • #296
I would ask that someone experiment with this, but I have NO IDEA if it will damage your car. I also don't know if this differs car to car.

This video clearly shows that his vehicle shuts off when hitting the button while driving (at low speed, NOT while driving highway speed), so it would also hypothetically work in reverse at low speed, correct?
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ETA: According to this article, it's happened enough to be a thing. Quote: "In other life-threatening incidents, keyless ignition cars turned off but not put in park have simply rolled away – in one case, running over a driver who had already exited."
“Cool” Keyless Ignition Systems Can Trigger Accidents - Searcy Law

Not that any of this proves whether the car was on or not, my initial point is just that we don't KNOW it was on.
Thanks. Sorry to be such a pain about ‘when’ this Suburban was left/turned off or turned off by it’s own with running lights still on, but just think it is really an important detail...which was stated in the AW.
 
  • #297
The return trip of the Toyota Tacoma from New Canaan the morning of 5/24 would have taken that vehicle past Bristol (Tacoma was spotted NB on Rt 15, then NB on Rt 8, then EB on I-84 before vehicle was spotted 22 minutes later on Mountain Spring Rd).

So, raises the possibility Toyota Tacoma stopped very briefly at Bristol on return trip from New Canaan (shortly after the Tacoma was spotted at 12:00 pm EB on I-84 Exit 25A at Waterbury, but before arriving 22 minutes later at 80 Mountain Spring Rd) and then someone of interest went to that same area later that afternoon (between 2:30 and 3:00). So, perhaps bagged-and-zip-tied-body left in private location on way back from New Canaan and then someone of interest was in that area 2-plus hours later to pick up or dispose of it?
AW2 gives the average speed between all time points along trip from N.C. rest stop to 80Ms as between 57-60mph so it is unlikely he stopped anywhere along this trip. Otherwise the mph would be drastically reduced.
 
  • #298
eww, I like your scope of deeper thinking and
creative head scratchin'.
Have you exhausted the reasons for someone
going to Birch St., Bristol on the same day as
the murder??
This is such an out of the way place for someone living in Farmington's upper crust areas. They just don't go over to the Middle St./ESPN area. It's such a mixed bag of little
old houses, small manufacturing places,
all the dumps and chemical dumping sites.
Suburban residents may go through there to get some other place, but few go there with a purpose. Sat. afternoon 2:30pm. Purpose?
A chemical dumping site seems like a possible reason, although I don’t know how the place operates.
If he dismembered her and placed the remains in containers, could they have been disposed there?
 
  • #299
IMO, given that it appears there was quite of bit of premeditation and planning involved by the conspirators (head shaving, repairing Mercier bicycle to return it to good functional condition, creation of and photocopying of alibi script, set up of alibi phone call and supposed KM morning meeting, purchase of clear plastic ponchos, insistence that PG work away from the Farmington area for the day, use of PG's vehicle instead of FD's own, among many other acts), it seems to me that if FD and the conspirator's intent was to emulate an abduction, FD would have planned better and taken JFd's purse along, leaving it or at least some of its contents not far from her car to indicate she'd been abducted and robbed. And if FD wanted it to appear that she'd been abducted for purposes of sexual assault, FD would have disabled JFd's phone immediately after removing her from the car, rather than nearly 40 minutes after arriving at Lapham Rd.

I suspect the reason the phone was not disabled immediately, but was instead left activated until FD was ready to depart for his own neck of the woods is because FD wanted to be aware if anyone tried to contact JFd while he was completing the transfer of evidence from the Suburban to the Toyota Tacoma, so he'd know if the search for her might already be beginning. FD seemed aware enough of JFd's planned schedule that day to lie in wait to surprise her immediately after she dropped the children off at school and then to clean up and leave the scene before 10:30, when someone else who knew her schedule might start checking around to see why she wasn't where she had planned to be. As FD completed the transfer from JFd's Suburban to the Toyota Tacoma, he likely knew he was now in a time (after 10:30 am) when alarms could be raising about JFd's whereabouts and that caused him some measure of anxiety.

IMO, the running lights being left on and the Suburban's transmission being left in "Reverse" were signs of panic due to fear of discovery. I think FD pulled the Suburban alongside or behind the Toyota Tacoma to transfer the bagged-up and zip-tied body, garbage bags full of bloody evidence of cleanup, the cargo liner from the Suburban, and the bicycle and then he wanted to get out of there as quickly after that multi-step transfer as possible, so he pulled the Suburban up into the place where it was ultimately found, forgot to put it in "Park," jumped out, and quickly ran to the Toyota Tacoma and took off. My guess is that he didn't even disable JFd's phone in that spot, but pulled somewhere else nearby to do it as he didn't want to be proximate to the Suburban while he did that extra step which would from that point on leave him unaware if anyone was trying to contact JFd by phone.

IMO, the conspirators chose Albany Ave as the area to dump the garbage bags because they knew there were plenty of individual trash receptacles in a close area, they knew that a lot of shady stuff goes on in the area without raising unusual suspicion, and they suspected that - even if one or two of the bags were opened, the person digging through the trash to find something of value wouldn't concern himself or herself with discovery of signs of criminality. IMO they did not put the bags there to throw suspicion upon others; I think they just thought the bags so far removed from the home JFd disappeared from would simply blend into the background in that area until they were picked up by the waste management truck.

IMO, I think it significant that the altered license plates weren't similarly treated, which leads me to suspect that they were boxed up and placed in the storm drain for someone else to retrieve them for some intended use.

Pure speculation alert here: let's suppose that Fd had an MO: let an accomplice, preference for an athletic female, do his dirty work so he doesn't get any DNA or fingerprints or fibers on to the body as he is obviously the primary suspect.

Female accomplice chooses a knife with which she is familiar. Unexpected amounts of blood. JFd fought hard because JFd is also athletic and knew something was coming by the May 22 visitation if not before. Fd was expecting JFd to run, as she had run before. But JFd knew about the GG theory Fd was enamored with - the premise being that GG was both mentally ill and cunning (IDK, I didn't watch the entire movie and skipped all descriptions of the plot as being stupid). On May 23rd, JFd decided to be brave for her children and stay and fight, to disprove the mentally ill theory to her children, even if it meant giving up her life. Truly a brave lady.

So much blood was lost in the garage. Pillows finally had to be used to smother. The clothes were cut off because a decision was made that the condition of the body could not support any type of suicide/lost in the forest due to misadventure type death as initially planned - the body had to disappear. To disappear a body, it is easier to dispose of it in smaller pieces. Rigor mortis will set in soon. An accomplice knows how to dress deer/gut fish/mountain type activities that a tomboy growing up in SA might know. Prep work was done in the garage on the mat of the Suburban. Ten rolls of paper towels were used and the ETA for MT with cap on driving the Suburban out (at 10:25 AM was very late considering the first appointment of 10:30 AM in NYC) was missed by an hour or more.

Meanwhile, Fd left through the mudroom door, forgetting to lock it, and biked back to the Suburban and it took 40 minutes for Fd to bike through the back woods. Jealous female accomplice, instead of leaving the cell in 69 Welles, or taking the entire purse, decides to read JFd's phone while waiting in the Suburban because she is that jealous. It time stamped the murderer's location. But heck, jealous female accomplice needed to know the answer to the most important question of the day: was it JFd who was still holding Fd's heart or someone else? All MOO.
 
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  • #300
That is why I keep thinking he did not intend on killing her or plan on the blood loss. He planned on zip ties since he brought them but did not bring any cleaning supplies or anything to soak up blood.
Agreed.(IMO) I believe he planned on asphyxiation but I suspect that JD had other plans. MOO
 
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