Still Missing CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #60

[Niner]

There is also a third interview that is expected to be played, but it's not been announced when yet (to my knowledge). The discussed all three interviews and agreed when the first two interviews would be played and the chronology, but I never heard when the 3rd interview would be played.

Correct. As per the P they are playing the third interview later in the trial. Imo

Thank you both!

I do recall reading that the Judge said he wanted the interviews played consecutively - or something like that? LOL! You know - one after the other - so would think they would play the 3rd one on Monday. I guess we shall see!

And thanks to ALL who have posted on this trial. Think I have too many cases to follow to actually listen to what is going on - but @Megnut makes up for that!

 

[LosAngeles]

Thank you both!

I do recall reading that the Judge said he wanted the interviews played consecutively - or something like that? LOL! You know - one after the other - so would think they would play the 3rd one on Monday. I guess we shall see!

And thanks to ALL who have posted on this trial. Think I have too many cases to follow to actually listen to what is going on - but @Megnut makes up for that!

Yes, so I believe the prosecution suggested that subjecting the jurors to three lengthy interviews back to back would not be ideal (I'm paraphrasing), but they argued that the first two interviews were critical to play back to back, so that’s when the decision was made to play the 1st two and the 3rd would be later on in the trial, but no specific date given.

 

[Niner]

Yes, so I believe the prosecution suggested that subjecting the jurors to three lengthy interviews back to back would not be ideal (I'm paraphrasing), but they argued that the first two interviews were critical to play back to back, so that’s when the decision was made to play the 1st two and the 3rd would be later on in the trial, but no specific date given.

Ah! Okay - sounds about right! Thanks!

 

[Megnut]

IIRC they have surveillance video of FD leaving 4J around 4:30 that morning. Otherwise I might wonder if FD was even at 4J overnight. Regardless, not only did the defendant not see FD nor shower with him, I don't think he was ever in bed that night.

JMO

Quoting myself to correct myself. Upon review of FD's AA, I see that there is no mention of video evidence leaving 4J at 4:30 but they do include the Tacoma exiting 80 MS close to 5:30.

Fotis Dulos Arrest Warrant | PDF

Fotis Dulos, 52, of Farmington, has been charged with murder, felony murder and kidnapping in the disappearance of Jennifer Dulos, 50, of New Canaan, who was last seen May 24 as she dropped the couple’s children off at school.

www.scribd.com

 

[afitzy]

Ys! Am wondering why it’s important to have MT out of the bedroom. What was FD doing that MT should not have seen?

FD most likely wasn’t in the bedroom the night before the murder or if he was it was for a short period only. MT supposedly would know that the person she sleeps with every night was either in their bed or not. But given that it’s MT maybe not? Idk. Apparently this is an impossible question for MT to answer! I’m calling it the simple impossible question! Was your lover sleeping in bed next to you on the night before the murder? Yes or No?

MT has lied about this question and then “Lied about lying” about this issue three or 4 times iirc.

It’s impt to know where FD was as it was the night before the murder and he was the murderer. Knowing his location is impt but also knowing what MT knew about where he was is super impt too.

Was anyone convinced after listening to all the MT lies that she didn’t know where FD was the night before the murder? Imo she knew as it was all of their plan.

The idea that she is trying to use her daughter as her alibi here when her daughter isn’t testifying (she is away skiing) is disgusting and instead has her counsel bring up bogus rain data maps in the wrong time zone which to use the Atty McGuinnis phrase, “bush league” and I will add my two cents to say simply ineffective! TP waved a red flag in his cross time testimony which is his favourite way to Introduce testimony into the trial that should be coming from the client he cannot put on the stand. To be noted is that Counsel testimony is in no rule book I’ve ever read! Judge R is imo is inconsistent and imo also improperly dealing with the issue of TP on cross testimony as it’s only been called out once and it’s been a pathetic factor in this trial now for 11 days!

I’m still seething that Judge R did zero about striking all references to the discredited dr Herman report which we learned yesterday MT never read and only heard about from FD! Hearsay was never introduced and the nonsense was even spouted by TP which is more hearsay about a report none of them had seen and Judge R did zero! Maddening and frankly plain wrong imo!

Anyway, back to the murder.

To get to NC very early (in advance of probably 6am) he would have had to leave Farmington much earlier idk say 4am to give a comfortable cushion of some sort for traffic and driving a broken down old truck. Trip is 60-65 miles. He also needed time to pack up and prepare so the speculation has long been that he either spent the night at 80ms or went there very early in the am to pack up.

Defence in a profoundly baffling and bumbling move in cross examination testimony by TP is trying to take MT out of the bedroom and to her daughter on a different floor so it cant be argued that she knew FD wasn’t there and this would tie to her involvement in the murder.

The hilarious thing is that Defence made their argument in cross for MT (not permitted but judge allowed it) leaving to go to her daughter based on a phone call (not sure how this is verified as MT cell phone was tossed by Judge R) using a rain map based on CST and not EST which @Gardenista here on WS
brilliantly discovered and posted about last night after trial and so would make the timeline presented by TP one hour off vs the time allegedly on MT phone. So, it appears we have more lies on top of lies from the Defence! TP also testified in cross that he had a video from the ski pond (no time stamp verification that I saw btw?) showing rain at the time. No verification of thunder or lightening. I hope the State fixes both these errors in redirect pronto!

MOO

 

[Megnut]

Just thought of this -- the 20 minute bike ride from Waveny to Welles -- do we believe this? FD really biked for 20 minutes? How'd he know he would get to Welles in time? That's some pretty precise timing if he was planning to abduct her from the garage post school drop off. Did he have some test runs? To time himself?

Do we have a timestamp for when he was captured on a neighborhood camera biking in his hoodie? Just how long was FD slithering in JFd's yard? Lie in wait. Did he watch her leave with the children? Another layer of sickening.

Another accidental truth told by the defendant? That FD had been getting up at -- didn't she say -- 4:30 recently? Either to cover up for the oddity of doing so that day (which he didn't) but because he had been -- because he was practicing his bike ride....

Audacious to insert himself into the careful sanctuary of JFd's backyard just days before he ambushed her. Doing his own ugly recon.

Evil.

Black jeans. Shaved head. Honky Tacoma. Trash Odyssey. And the defendant had no idea? Her fingerprints say otherwise.

JMO

Again quoting myself in order to answer my own question.
Hoodie biking guy in his dark clothes riding on a dark bicycle is captured on video at 7:31 am, by my math about halfway to Welles. JFd arrives back home at 8:05 am.
Based on my own guesstimates using Google Maps, FD could have arrived at Welles as early as 7:40 plus a few minutes but was certainly on track to get there before she did.

FD must have predicted JFd morning routine, drop the kids off, return home. Did he assume there'd be no nanny?

Just breaks my heart to think about JFd's plans for the day, largely bracketed around her children, while FD was taking deliberate steps to destroy that, converging in ambush.

Every day should feel this good. (From the logo on JFd's shirt)

Gut punch.

JMO

Fotis Dulos Arrest Warrant | PDF

Fotis Dulos, 52, of Farmington, has been charged with murder, felony murder and kidnapping in the disappearance of Jennifer Dulos, 50, of New Canaan, who was last seen May 24 as she dropped the couple’s children off at school.

www.scribd.com

 

[afitzy]

Quoting myself to correct myself. Upon review of FD's AA, I see that there is no mention of video evidence leaving 4J at 4:30 but they do include the Tacoma exiting 80 MS close to 5:30.

Fotis Dulos Arrest Warrant | PDF

Fotis Dulos, 52, of Farmington, has been charged with murder, felony murder and kidnapping in the disappearance of Jennifer Dulos, 50, of New Canaan, who was last seen May 24 as she dropped the couple’s children off at school.

www.scribd.com

Looks like per usual FD was running late! 4-430 would have given a good cushion but he really didn’t have much extra time in NC on the front end. Risky move imo in an old truck that leaked oil. MOO

 

[Megnut]

If LE has the Tacoma leaving 80 MS around 5:30 am in the 24th (they do), then they also have a good idea about how and when FD got there. I can't help but wonder if KM was utilized as a decoy at any time. So many movements of vehicles and phones, it's the shell magic trick.

If FD spent the night at or adjacent to 80 MS, he had all night to prepare whatever it is he might have been preparing.

Yesterday (in the interview video) the detectives were asking the defendant about going to be the night before. What time? She said 11:30 iirc. They asked if he was on his phone, if that was sort of customary for them. She gestured, suggesting he set it somewhere, then spun off on how he'd watched movies on his phone iirc.

What do FD's phone records show about his evening usage? Typical? Atypical? Was the defendant in charge of putting FD's phone to bed that night?

I imagine that the defendant had such a hard time answering questions because she had to edit the things she did do but weren't, for obvious reasons, contained in the alibi scripts.

JMO

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

I'll have to listen again, but she called the property that they went to where they met with a man was creepy. It had a "table saw as big as this table" and other equipment.

That sounds such an odd response from MT in all of the other questions and answers? Was anything more ever made of that table saw? I am catching up. And that type of a stationary table saw leads my mind to some dark places as to other possible uses for it. MOO

ETA - was there anywhere mention by MT (or others questioned) about another table saw of this nature or location for one? It is often said , there is a little truth in every little lie. IMO

 

[afitzy]

On Sunday the weekend after JFD disappeared, MT was afraid JFD would come to 4JC and kill her and her daughter so she went out to brunch with HH and spent the whole day at the Pond with her daughter and friend because she was afraid to be there alone in case JFD, who was missing and who police had left MT 2 voicemails about, came by to kill MT and her daughter.

In fact, MT describes that some months prior, MT had gone to the Farmington police concerned about her safety from JFD and wanted to get what she implies to be a restraining order against JFD. Says she still has the paperwork but Farmington PD told her not to worry.

This is rather shocking is it not.

I think we are witnessing a possible preview of an upcoming Ebook from MT and TP titled, “How to be the Best Co Conspirator You can Be”!

Step 1: listen to a long conversation from your mother who explains in step by step detail that you need to “document your fear” from your nemesis via a trip to the psychologist with your psychopath lover to discuss the alleged mental health Issues of his ex and file a report with the local police. Mom says to not waste time paying the doctor to discuss your mental health deficiencies or discuss your couple issues as there isn’t enough time or money to this now! Mom says stay focused on the Victim!

Mom says you need to do this one year before you plan to murder said nemesis. This will totally discredit her and keep you safe and nobody will ever believe you were anything but afraid and had nothing to do with the murder of said nemesis!

Mom says to find a crooked lawyer just like she did in Florida and you say, “mom I have the perfect person, KM”. Mom says, “that’s my girl! You are a natural born criminal, trabajo bien hecho, mi hija. I’m so proud of you.”!

No discussion though with mom about why this could possibly make sense to do for someone you have never met and who doesn’t give you any of her headspace to even acknowledge you? You say, “thank you mom you are so helpful and FD and I are so lucky to have your wonderful advice. FD told me yesterday to get ready to be the Mom of 6! Can you imagine? And I’m so excited as the plan is coming together starting with your excellent suggestion here”.

Further, no chat about why a mother of 5 young children who is in fear of her ex who barely has time to take a shower would take 3 hrs from her day to return to the house where you and her ex are squatting and which she owns TO KILL YOU?

JF had no interest in MT and was simply trying to take care of her children in peace in NC. But MT doesnt see this and so agrees to a stupid plan.

But, to me this disclosure from MT shows knowledge and premeditation as well as the very close knowledge of the 3rd co-conspirator, Mama Troconis!

Ps more chapter summaries from this upcoming Amazon best seller coming as there is just too much low hanging fruit to scoop up after the MT law enforcement interviews.

Very much MOO!

 

[afitzy]

If LE has the Tacoma leaving 80 MS around 5:30 am in the 24th (they do), then they also have a good idea about how and when FD got there. I can't help but wonder if KM was utilized as a decoy at any time. So many movements of vehicles and phones, it's the shell magic trick.

If FD spent the night at or adjacent to 80 MS, he had all night to prepare whatever it is he might have been preparing.

Yesterday (in the interview video) the detectives were asking the defendant about going to be the night before. What time? She said 11:30 iirc. They asked if he was on his phone, if that was sort of customary for them. She gestured, suggesting he set it somewhere, then spun off on how he'd watched movies on his phone iirc.

What do FD's phone records show about his evening usage? Typical? Atypical? Was the defendant in charge of putting FD's phone to bed that night?

I imagine that the defendant had such a hard time answering questions because she had to edit the things she did do but weren't, for obvious reasons, contained in the alibi scripts.

JMO

Yes, creating lies on top of lies and then lying again is a very stressful and difficult task.
MOO

 

[afitzy]

Just thought of this -- the 20 minute bike ride from Waveny to Welles -- do we believe this? FD really biked for 20 minutes? How'd he know he would get to Welles in time? That's some pretty precise timing if he was planning to abduct her from the garage post school drop off. Did he have some test runs? To time himself?

Do we have a timestamp for when he was captured on a neighborhood camera biking in his hoodie? Just how long was FD slithering in JFd's yard? Lie in wait. Did he watch her leave with the children? Another layer of sickening.

Another accidental truth told by the defendant? That FD had been getting up at -- didn't she say -- 4:30 recently? Either to cover up for the oddity of doing so that day (which he didn't) but because he had been -- because he was practicing his bike ride....

Audacious to insert himself into the careful sanctuary of JFd's backyard just days before he ambushed her. Doing his own ugly recon.

Evil.

Black jeans. Shaved head. Honky Tacoma. Trash Odyssey. And the defendant had no idea? Her fingerprints say otherwise.

JMO

We haven’t seen the local video or NC bus cams yet. They will be helpful to understanding this aspect of the murder. MOO

 

[Diddian]

If LE has the Tacoma leaving 80 MS around 5:30 am in the 24th (they do), then they also have a good idea about how and when FD got there. I can't help but wonder if KM was utilized as a decoy at any time. So many movements of vehicles and phones, it's the shell magic trick.

If FD spent the night at or adjacent to 80 MS, he had all night to prepare whatever it is he might have been preparing.

Yesterday (in the interview video) the detectives were asking the defendant about going to be the night before. What time? She said 11:30 iirc. They asked if he was on his phone, if that was sort of customary for them. She gestured, suggesting he set it somewhere, then spun off on how he'd watched movies on his phone iirc.

What do FD's phone records show about his evening usage? Typical? Atypical? Was the defendant in charge of putting FD's phone to bed that night?

I imagine that the defendant had such a hard time answering questions because she had to edit the things she did do but weren't, for obvious reasons, contained in the alibi scripts.

JMO

Two things about FD’s phone:

The AA says FD’s alarm went off at 4:20 am and we know his phone was at 4JC. So, either FD is at 4JC to wake to that alarm, or MT turned it off to give the appearance FD was at 4JC (unless LE is referencing FD using an alarm on a different cellphone than the one he left at 4JC that day).

LE had search warrants for cellphone towers around Middle Rd and South Rd, Farmington (near entrance to I-84) for around 10 pm on 5/23. There is a Homewood Suites by Hilton nearby. If KM drove off with FD’s Suburban after the meat run rendezvous with FD (IMO, he did), then perhaps KM stayed the night at that Homewood Suites with a burner phone in hand. And FD called him there late that evening to coordinate plans for leaving for New Canaan in the morning from there (FD in Toyota after leaving 80 MS Rd around 5:30, KM in FD’s Suburban).

I am very curious how/why LE knew to check those particular cell towers at that time. I expect that we are going to learn about extensive cellphone and vehicle data analysis that defeated the conspirator’s best efforts at considering those matters and taking steps to avoid detection.

ETA: if it was NOT KM on a cellphone at/near the Homewood Suites that the cellphone tower SW’s were looking for, then it suggests another possible conspirator.

Also, it was from 10:10 to 10:40 pm on 5/23 the LE sought cell tower records for 585 Middle Rd, Farmington.

 

[Diddian]

FD most likely wasn’t in the bedroom the night before the murder or if he was it was for a short period only. MT supposedly would know that the person she sleeps with every night was either in their bed or not. But given that it’s MT maybe not? Idk. Apparently this is an impossible question for MT to answer! I’m calling it the simple impossible question! Was your lover sleeping in bed next to you on the night before the murder? Yes or No?

MT has lied about this question and then “Lied about lying” about this issue three or 4 times iirc.

It’s impt to know where FD was as it was the night before the murder and he was the murderer. Knowing his location is impt but also knowing what MT knew about where he was is super impt too.

Was anyone convinced after listening to all the MT lies that she didn’t know where FD was the night before the murder? Imo she knew as it was all of their plan.

The idea that she is trying to use her daughter as her alibi here when her daughter isn’t testifying (she is away skiing) is disgusting and instead has her counsel bring up bogus rain data maps in the wrong time zone which to use the Atty McGuinnis phrase, “bush league” and I will add my two cents to say simply ineffective! TP waved a red flag in his cross time testimony which is his favourite way to Introduce testimony into the trial that should be coming from the client he cannot put on the stand. To be noted is that Counsel testimony is in no rule book I’ve ever read! Judge R is imo is inconsistent and imo also improperly dealing with the issue of TP on cross testimony as it’s only been called out once and it’s been a pathetic factor in this trial now for 11 days!

I’m still seething that Judge R did zero about striking all references to the discredited dr Herman report which we learned yesterday MT never read and only heard about from FD! Hearsay was never introduced and the nonsense was even spouted by TP which is more hearsay about a report none of them had seen and Judge R did zero! Maddening and frankly plain wrong imo!

Anyway, back to the murder.

To get to NC very early (in advance of probably 6am) he would have had to leave Farmington much earlier idk say 4am to give a comfortable cushion of some sort for traffic and driving a broken down old truck. Trip is 60-65 miles. He also needed time to pack up and prepare so the speculation has long been that he either spent the night at 80ms or went there very early in the am to pack up.

Defence in a profoundly baffling and bumbling move in cross examination testimony by TP is trying to take MT out of the bedroom and to her daughter on a different floor so it cant be argued that she knew FD wasn’t there and this would tie to her involvement in the murder.

The hilarious thing is that Defence made their argument in cross for MT (not permitted but judge allowed it) leaving to go to her daughter based on a phone call (not sure how this is verified as MT cell phone was tossed by Judge R) using a rain map based on CST and not EST which @Gardenista here on WS
brilliantly discovered and posted about last night after trial and so would make the timeline presented by TP one hour off vs the time allegedly on MT phone. So, it appears we have more lies on top of lies from the Defence! TP also testified in cross that he had a video from the ski pond (no time stamp verification that I saw btw?) showing rain at the time. No verification of thunder or lightening. I hope the State fixes both these errors in redirect pronto!

MOO

FD did not likely get to New Canaan as early as you think (unless he wasn’t driving the Toyota).

LE has surveillance of the Toyota Tacoma leaving 80 MS Rd at 5:35 am and driving SB on Rt15 past the New Canaan rest area at 7:03 am. Since the Lapham Rd turnout was empty at 7:05 am (per bus cam) and bike was spotted 20 minutes away at 7:31 am, can infer that the Toyota arrived roughly 7:08 am.

 

[Megnut]

Posting this article, sort of a summary of Day 9. Mostly helpful because it contains the correct spelling for some if the names we've been guessing at. For example, Assistant State's Attorney McGuinness. Maybe when this is all over and the defendant is lead away clinking, we can buy him a round.

JMO

https://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/article/troconis-trial-jennifer-dulos-alibi-scripts-18625078.php

 

[afitzy]

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[afitzy]

FD did not likely get to New Canaan as early as you think (unless he wasn’t driving the Toyota).

LE has surveillance of the Toyota Tacoma leaving 80 MS Rd at 5:35 am and driving SB on Rt15 past the New Canaan rest area at 7:03 am. Since the Lapham Rd turnout was empty at 7:05 am (per bus cam) and bike was spotted 20 minutes away at 7:31 am, can infer that the Toyota arrived roughly 7:08 am.

Yes, you are absolutely correct. I was thinking about how much time might have been needed to account for something unforeseen...truck breakdown, flat tire, bike tire issue or even change in weather etc. As the timeline points out, FD didn't really leave much time for anything unforeseen happening. Wonder if this is because he had practiced it a few times? IMO he was clearly a risk taker with his timeline! MOO

 

[afitzy]

Just thought of this -- the 20 minute bike ride from Waveny to Welles -- do we believe this? FD really biked for 20 minutes? How'd he know he would get to Welles in time? That's some pretty precise timing if he was planning to abduct her from the garage post school drop off. Did he have some test runs? To time himself?

Do we have a timestamp for when he was captured on a neighborhood camera biking in his hoodie? Just how long was FD slithering in JFd's yard? Lie in wait. Did he watch her leave with the children? Another layer of sickening.

Another accidental truth told by the defendant? That FD had been getting up at -- didn't she say -- 4:30 recently? Either to cover up for the oddity of doing so that day (which he didn't) but because he had been -- because he was practicing his bike ride....

Audacious to insert himself into the careful sanctuary of JFd's backyard just days before he ambushed her. Doing his own ugly recon.

Evil.

Black jeans. Shaved head. Honky Tacoma. Trash Odyssey. And the defendant had no idea? Her fingerprints say otherwise.

JMO

The other thing about the bike ride at that hour is that there is actually a good amount of traffic on the roads between buses, children being driven to school, people dashing to trains, trades people incoming to NC, garbage trucks etc. The roads FD biked on weren't wide (2 lanes), were curvy and had some elevation shifts. There aren't really bike lanes but on the main roads he was on there is this solid line on the edge of the road but it isn't a european style bike lane with space imo. Sometimes the amt of space on side of line is maybe 1-2 feet depending on the road/street. The rule in CT is that cyclists get a 3 ft buffer around them from vehicles. SO, this would mean that if there wasn't a sizeable buffer on side of street that vehicles would have had to manoeuvre around FD and with 2 lane roads and streets that aren't too wide to being with it might mean in some places that traffic had to slow a bit to accommodate him. MOO

 

[Diddian]

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He’s got it wrong about the timing of the divorce (this man has done this in multiple interviews). He also got it wrong when he said MT had not yet been charged with a crime; she had been arrested and charged with tampering with evidence and hindering prosecution before the interviews.

(ETA: Do defense lawyer analysts have an unspoken agreement with the defense attorney community to understate the case in relation to defendants?)

According to testimony from LA (the nanny), MT and FD appeared to be very well-known to each other at the waterski pond during the March 2017 family vacation in Miami and, after JFD left that vacation for home early ( after her mother broke her foot), FD moved out of the hotel where he’d been staying - where the kids and nanny were also staying, and where JFD also had been staying - and moved to another hotel, where MT stayed.

Also, JFD had earlier confided to the nanny her concern that FD was having an affair.

It was months AFTER that (June) that JFD moved herself and the kids out of the family home and filed for divorce. And I am still not clear whether this was June 2017 or 2018… does anyone else know?

So, no, MT didn’t enter an “estranged couple in the middle of divorce“ situation. It seems likely the marriage was an unhappy one as neither spouse was getting what they wanted from the other, BUT FD WAS CLEARLY HAVING AN AFFAIR and it came as an unwelcome surprise to JFD.

 

[afitzy]

DBM - trying to post the motion to suppress MT cell phone which was denied by Judge R