Dash Cam for Oct.4th a.m.

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

He has found a "Busted" front window and his daughter missing. The order is interesting if that is how he called it in.

Misty Croslin said, "The back door is open and our daughter is missing"..
Ron Cummings did the same thing. "Our back door was wide open and my daughter's gone".

Again, that is not a direct quote from JI, it is what the dispatcher said.

 

[Whisperer]

Again, that is not a direct quote from JI, it is what the dispatcher said.

How do you know what JI actually said? If it wasn't a direct quote, what did JI tell them?

 

[Whisperer]

It was the dispatcher who worded it as a busted in window, not jeremy, not DT spin, just simple miscommunication.

..this is interesting. Do you have inside information?

...AND now you are saying it was miscommunication? JI never said the window was "Busted"?

...AND the dispatcher goofed? How did you come upon this?

 

[4Jacy]

I've had officers show up at 11pm at my home asking about reported property damage 3 days after the initial call, and had already been to the house on the night of the incident, so my guess is not much if any training.

At a neighbourhood group meeting with the police chief last summer we learned that dispatch is not controlled by the PD, but by an elected board who "appoints" whomever they want as dispatchers, usually friends and / or relatives. I'm not sure what the protocol is in KCMO jurisdiction.

Thank you for the above. What a very sad situation.

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

He has found a busted front window and his 10-month-old daughter missing.

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The department refused to provide KCTV5 with any dashcam video showing the initial officers interaction with Bradley and Irwin.

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That officer's dashcam video ends at 4:11 a.m.
The video shows at least one person, apparently Irwin, waiting for the officers on the front stoop.

http://www.kctv5.com/story/16612025/dashcam-baby-lisa

If this was a direct quote from JI, it would not say HE and HIS it would say I and MY. This is not from JI's lips or hand.

 

[Whisperer]

If this was a direct quote from JI, it would not say HE and HIS it would say I and MY. This is not from JI's lips or hand.

It is dispatch relaying what has occurred at Lister. Do you think they made this up?

I understand it is not his words speaking, but how do you know he didn't relate those words to 911? He had to tell them something about the window and its condition for the dispatch to relay the information.

 

[Whisperer]

I suspect they may have responded to a burglary because Irwin made it sound like somebody came through that window. LE was very focused on it till it showed later that no intruder came through it. What a waste of time for LE.!

IIRC, DB and JI (together) later said they didn't believe anyone came through the window. WTH? I guess it was "Show Me" moment, "I'm from Missouri".

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

It is dispatch relaying what has occurred at Lister. Do you think they made this up?

I understand it is not his words speaking, but how do you know he didn't relate those words to 911? He had to tell them something about the window and its condition for the dispatch to relay the information.

BBM: Exactly what I've been trying to tell you, it is dispatch not Jeremy.
No I don't think they are making it up, I think it was miscommunicated. Jeremy said in the first MSM news interviews that the screen was pushed in and he couldn't close the window because of it. Dispatch obviously took that the window had been tampered with as meaning broken.

 

[Whisperer]

ok..LE and Dispatch jumped to conclusions...that is not what Jeremy conveyed at all. He simply told them the window was tampered with and they over-reacted. They then went into overdrive and called in a burglary in progress. Do I have that right?

In home burglaries, the window IS sometimes broken.

IMO, this was no home invasion, no burglary, but LE was misled to think there was.

It is hard to imagine that a city the size of this city do not have well trained dispatchers. To call in a burglary when there was a child missing is very odd. IMO, Jeremy is way too stoic and acts like an odd duck. Who knows what he told them but I'm telling you I would LOVE to hear exactly what he said. LE is not releasing it and I bet it is for a very good reason.

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

ok..LE and Dispatch jumped to conclusions...that is not what Jeremy conveyed at all. He simply told them the window was tampered with and they over-reacted. They then went into overdrive and called in a burglary in progress. Do I have that right?

In home burglaries, the window IS sometimes broken.

IMO, this was no home invasion, no burglary, but LE was misled to think there was.

It is hard to imagine that a city the size of this city do not have well trained dispatchers. To call in a burglary when there was a child missing is very odd. IMO, Jeremy is way too stoic and acts like an odd duck. Who knows what he told them but I'm telling you I would LOVE to hear exactly what he said. LE is not releasing it and I bet it is for a very good reason.

We do NOT know that Jeremy called it in as a burglary. I've seen 9-1-1 calls on NG's show where the dispatcher has asked several times if a child was a boy or a girl, even after the called said "My daughter is missing". They are not all well trained, and some just don't listen.
I don't think JI had anyway of determining how dispatch would relay the call, nor could he, unless you want to believe he had someone on the inside at dispatch.

 

[4Jacy]

ok..LE and Dispatch jumped to conclusions...that is not what Jeremy conveyed at all. He simply told them the window was tampered with and they over-reacted. They then went into overdrive and called in a burglary in progress. Do I have that right?

In home burglaries, the window IS sometimes broken.

IMO, this was no home invasion, no burglary, but LE was misled to think it was.

It is hard to imagine that a city the size of this city do not have well trained dispatchers. To call in a burglary when there was a child missing is very odd.

All these cases will never end, will they?

Sorry, however, I must sleep. God bless you sleuthers...:coldcase::drink:

 

[Whisperer]

God bless you, 4Jacey...Sleep well.

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

Night 4Jacy

 

[SmoothOperator]

So, here's the sequence of events documented on the dash cam..

4:03:58 Video begins with officer in squad car, headlights OFF, and sitting in an empty parking lot..(no sound at this time)

4:04:12 The officer switches ON his headlights..(no sound at this time)

4:04:23 Officer is now on the move in squad car as he is then exiting the parking lot..(no sound at this time)

4:04:48 The officer turns on the squad car's lights and sirens..(no sound at this time)

4:04:49 Microphone 1 is turned ON..(this is when the audio starts)

4:05:20 The officer begins a dialogue with the dispatcher in exchanging id's and then he states:
"My computer's not working could you repeat the call details?"

Dispatch replying: .. "<address stated> He[Jeremy Irwin] came home and his daughter was missing.. He's not sure how long she's been gone and a screen was busted.."

4:05:56 Both audio and video end.

With regards to what Jeremy stated we only have the dispatchers word to go by, but even so IMO the vital details of the situation were properly given to dispatch by Jeremy Irwin.. He does NOT mention the screen First as was mentioned upthread.. Clearly the fact that he came home to his DAUGHTER MISSING IS THE VERY FIRST THING STATED, immediately followed by another critical piece of information that he[Jeremy] did NOT know how long that his daughter had been missing.. And then finally we hear last mentioned that a "screen was busted"..

IMO I see nothing nefarious, irresponsible, or lacksadaisical on the part of LE, dispatch, and especially on the part of Jeremy in going by what the dispatcher relays to the responding officer en route to the Irwin home.. According to dispatcher his daughter missing was top priority and a "busted screen" is in fact the last thing reported if we're to go by the dispatchers word..

But all jmo, tho and to each their own in what they believe to be the case in this particular issue regarding the dashcam audio/video..

HTH


Still posting via mobile so plz forgive the large number of errors in my posts

 

[cityslick]

ok..LE and Dispatch jumped to conclusions...that is not what Jeremy conveyed at all. He simply told them the window was tampered with and they over-reacted. They then went into overdrive and called in a burglary in progress. Do I have that right?

In home burglaries, the window IS sometimes broken.

IMO, this was no home invasion, no burglary, but LE was misled to think there was.

It is hard to imagine that a city the size of this city do not have well trained dispatchers. To call in a burglary when there was a child missing is very odd. IMO, Jeremy is way too stoic and acts like an odd duck. Who knows what he told them but I'm telling you I would LOVE to hear exactly what he said. LE is not releasing it and I bet it is for a very good reason.

I think unless you have heard the actual 911 audio (which has not been released), I don't think you can say for certain what exactly was said on the call in. Everything else is speculation.

 

[Meri]

I just realized I think not all of one of the videos is on the web. I'll double check on that tomorrow. I thought they both started around 3:58, 3:59 a.m. but one shows it online beginning at 4:05ish. If I'm right, I'll let you know and update.

Just realized speeds topped 70 mph in one and using lights/sirens in a residential area during the middle of the night shows the urgency.

The department was upfront that stuff that wasn't considered an "incident' report and covered more than the five items would be redacted. Obviously in those five minutes or so until arrival some conversation happened that they felt could be "redacted" under the Missouri Open-Records law.

I appreciate you and others sharing the route the officers took.

This also shows that they must not have been called for a burglary in progress but rather a kidnapping because they would not turn lights and sirens on for that.

 

[DeAnn]

The officers drove at speeds reaching above 70 mph. They used lights and sirens in a residential area where traditionally during the middle of the night they don't because people are asleep and it's not needed or used. I live near a hospital and they don't use lights/sirens during the middle of the night unless the call is especially urgent.

Why does it matter whether it was coded as burglary in progress or a kidnapping? could they have driven any faster or used more lights and sirens? Once they got there, it was obviously a kidnapping and they responded accordingly. The dispatch logs show in a matter of minutes they were summoning more officers and brass to the scene.

 

[In da Middle]

The officers drove at speeds reaching above 70 mph. They used lights and sirens in a residential area where traditionally during the middle of the night they don't because people are asleep and it's not needed or used. I live near a hospital and they don't use lights/sirens during the middle of the night unless the call is especially urgent.

Why does it matter whether it was coded as burglary in progress or a kidnapping? could they have driven any faster or used more lights and sirens? Once they got there, it was obviously a kidnapping and they responded accordingly. The dispatch logs show in a matter of minutes they were summoning more officers and brass to the scene.

MANY more! That is what woke most of us up as we hardly ever see any LE in the neighborhood, let alone what seemed like the entire force. Then shortly after that, another influx of FBI.

 

[hambirg]

I've had officers show up at 11pm at my home asking about reported property damage 3 days after the initial call, and had already been to the house on the night of the incident, so my guess is not much if any training.

At a neighbourhood group meeting with the police chief last summer we learned that dispatch is not controlled by the PD, but by an elected board who "appoints" whomever they want as dispatchers, usually friends and / or relatives. I'm not sure what the protocol is in KCMO jurisdiction.

Wow. . .that's awful. I can't speak for how it works in KCMO, but dispatchers here go through 31 weeks of training, and then are still on a probationary period for a year. I've heard the pre-hire testing is also very rigorous.

 

[octobermoon]

This is dated today, but I don't see anything new about the dash cams. The anchor says she will interview Dr. Phil later on today about DB and JI being on his show. Her biggest question for the doc "are they telling the truth" get his answer tonight on the evening news. *paraphrased*

http://www.kmbc.com/video/30358931/detail.html#ixzz1lFMHiBcW

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