***Day 2 -Committal Hearing*** 11th,12,13th March 2013

[Snails]

Alison Ariotti ‏@AlisonAriotti
Dr Bruce Flegg has been excused from the witness stand. #BadenClay @9NewsBrisbane

 

[Maigret]

Snails and Maigret - the Tweety-pair

Keep up the good work you two - and thanks

I had almost forgotten I had registered - I did that ages ago when he first applied for bail

You do get some rubbish on there though - why I want to know what Barrack Obama has to say when there is this committal hearing happening I don't know :what:

 

[Judicious]

Mmmm...I have a few thoughts as to why he may have wanted $400,000....

 

[Aunty]

Bruce Flegg says..."It had a significant affect on me" and then says that he didn't think it was any concern to the Police ???
A typical case of 'I don't want to get involved' I think.....

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I have deleted my post as it was written in anger and Won't help the situation
Please though, ring the police if you are concerned about something, especially a woman's scream.

 

[alioop]

Totally agree Lollypop. Years ago I heard a woman screaming and went out my back door and could see my neighbours who I didn't know on their back landing as our back fence was their side fence. They were a young couple and it looked pretty heated and he was in her face yelling at her. I yelled out hey is everything ok, and the man told me to mind my own business. I said it is my business when i think someone is in trouble. My hubby tried to pull me back in the house but I stood my ground and said i want to hear the lady say she is ok. She looked at me embarrassed, not scared and said yes she was and sorry. I said Ok but if i hear more fighting I will call the police. Didn't hear another word.

It is not hard to do people. If it is safe to get involved do so otherwise call the police.

 

[marlywings]

9.51am: Dr Flegg said Baden-Clay called during the state election campaign to ask again about the loan but Dr Flegg had his friend Sue Heath call him back.

"She indicated to me that he was very, very distressed and that he may have been tearful," he said.

"I would have felt bad about being too busy to take his calls."

Dr Flegg said he spoke to Baden-Clay again in March 2012 and found him "quite calm".

"He didn't pursue the matter with me."

After Allison disappeared, Dr Flegg said he went to visit Baden-Clay at his parents' house to make sure he was alright.

He said they did not discuss the circumstances of her disappearance.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...-of-wife-allison/story-e6freoof-1226595359813

 

[Snails]

I had almost forgotten I had registered - I did that ages ago when he first applied for bail

You do get some rubbish on there though - why I want to know what Barrack Obama has to say when there is this committal hearing happening I don't know :what:

Oh yes - there's some weird stuff coming up alright. I'm careful to only quote from reputable sources though (journos in court) etc

 

[DrWatson]

DAY two of the six-day hearing to determine whether Gerard Baden-Clay will face trial for the murder of his wife Allison has begun.

9.44am: Dr Flegg said his second statement to police related to a conversation where Baden-Clay had asked him for a loan of $400,000.

"It was a pretty highly unusual request," he said.

"Gerard was very to the point.

"There was no beating around the bush."

Dr Flegg said while there was "nothing out of line with him making the request", it still came as a shock.

He said when he asked for more information on the nature of the loan, Baden-Clay was evasive.

"I said, well, you're buying out business partners, who are they?" Dr Flegg said.

"And he wouldn't tell me.

"I think it would be fair to say that I closed the door on the discussion."
He said Baden-Clay later accused him of sharing the details of that discussion with one of the real estate business partners.

Dr Flegg said he did not even know who Baden-Clay's business partners were.

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From:

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/day-two-committal-hearing-of-gerard-baden-clay-over-death-of-wife-allison/story-e6freoof-1226595359813

 

[Snails]

Kate Kyriacou &#8207;@KateKyriacou
We're hearing from Elise Neilsen now, an old ballet friend of Allison's. #Baden-Clay

 

[Snails]

Alison Ariotti &#8207;@AlisonAriotti
2nd witness on day 2 of #BadenClay committal... A mum & friend of Allison. Her daughter danced with Allison's daughter. @9NewsBrisbane

John Taylor &#8207;@_JohnTaylor_
New witness. Missed her name as Dr Flegg spoke outside court. Said would have been easier as citizen not 2 come forward @abcnews #BadenClay

 

[Amee]

Ashley McDermid &#8207;@AshleyMcDermid

Bruce Flegg has spoken outside court, after giving evidence in the #badenclay committal. Hear what he said in the 11am news. @9NewsBrisbane

 

[Snails]

Alison Ariotti &#8207;@AlisonAriotti
Witness Elise Nielsen says Gerard Baden-Clay convinced his wife to seek help for post natal depression. #BadenClay

 

[alioop]

In fairness to Dr Flegg, he did make an effort to investigate as per the courier mail rolling coverage

"It was clearly a female scream.

"(It was) blood curdling."

He told the court he leapt out of bed and went out the front door to investigate.

"I have no idea where it came from," Dr Flegg said.

"I conducted a search outside."

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...-of-wife-allison/story-e6freoof-1226595359813

 

[Snails]

Alison Ariotti &#8207;@AlisonAriotti
Witness says of Allison Baden-Clay's depression.." I was a bit astounded because I used to lean on her ". #BadenClay @9NewsBrisbane

Alison Ariotti &#8207;@AlisonAriotti
Witness Elise Nielsen re Allison Baden-Clay "She said she was worried about her depression .. That one day Gerard was going to leave her "

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...-of-wife-allison/story-e6freoof-1226595359813
10.01am: Elise Neilsen, who had known Allison for many years, is the second witness to appear today.

She told the court she knew Allison when they were girls and reconnected after they both had children.

She said they would see each other when taking their children to ballet.

"We used to stay and chat sometimes while they were in their class for 45 minutes," she said.

By 2011, after their daughters got into the same ballet company, they were seeing each other frequently.

She said she would often see Baden-Clay while collecting children for rehearsals and they would chat about ballet costumes and performances.

But defence barrister Peter Davis SC said she "didn't really know Gerard at all", having never had discussions with him about anything but the children.

 

[Aunty]

In fairness to Dr Flegg, he did make an effort to investigate as per the courier mail rolling coverage

"It was clearly a female scream.

"(It was) blood curdling."

He told the court he leapt out of bed and went out the front door to investigate.

"I have no idea where it came from," Dr Flegg said.

"I conducted a search outside."

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...-of-wife-allison/story-e6freoof-1226595359813

I agree, I will delete my last statement pronto.

 

[Thinking]

Sarah Elks &#8207;@sarahelks
Dr Flegg says it was a "blood-curdling scream". "It was clearly a female scream," Dr Flegg says he heard that night. #badenclay

How weird for Flegg if he and GbC were once friends - where the witnesses sit, they are directly in view of GBC - that is, when they are looking at Davis and responding, they would be able to see GbC directly behind him - I think I would find that unnerving (or empowering depending on my relationship with him I guess).

 

[DrWatson]

How weird for Flegg if he and GbC were once friends - where the witnesses sit, they are directly in view of GBC - that is, when they are looking at Davis and responding, they would be able to see GbC directly behind him - I think I would find that unnerving (or empowering depending on my relationship with him I guess).

As a medico, and also as a politician, Flegg would be pretty thick-skinned and used to compartmentalising. When giving evidence, he would be sticking to facts. Not opinions or interpretations, and he would know that GBC could not argue with the facts that he testified to. I doubt that seeing GBC in the dock would worry him one bit.

 

[linette]

At least Flegg doesn't seem to be sticking up for GBC.

 

[Snails]

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...-of-wife-allison/story-e6freoof-1226595359813

10.17am: Witness Elise Neilsen said she had a discussion with Allison in 2008 about post natal depression.

"She told me that she had it and I didn't realise she had," Ms Neilsen said.

"(She said) that she had had it with her children."

Ms Neilsen said she had a total of three conversations with Allison about her depression.

"She talked to me about that later in 2011 when we had a more in-depth discussion about her depression," she said.

Ms Neilsen said Allison told her Baden-Clay had convinced her to "go and get help" for her anxiety problems.

"Just that Gerard was the one who had tried to get her to go and get help. She did," Ms Neilsen said.

"She was just telling me that she had been to a psychiatrist.

"We'd had a very stressful morning ... and we decided to go have a coffee.

"She just told me she was overwhelmed.

"That her anxiety was coming back and she wasn't coping."

Ms Neilsen said Allison was tearful and explaining that she needed to go back on her medication but didn't want to.

She said she tried to convince Allison to go back on her medication and get a cleaner to help with the house.

"I was surprised because she always looked like she was coping," she said.

"I used to have to lean on her.

"I was a bit shocked because she was fairly adamant that she wasn't coping."

In another conversation that same year, Allison told Ms Neilsen she was worried Baden-Clay would leave her because of her issues with depression.

 

[Snails]

John Taylor &#8207;@_JohnTaylor_
When Allison Baden Clay went missing friend Elise Nielsen told court she was worried she may done something to herself @abcnews #BadenClay