***Day 2 -Committal Hearing*** 11th,12,13th March 2013

[squizzey1]

If I believed my son was innocent you wouldnt keep me away from the court.

I think they are too worried about appearances, then again that granny pash still haunts me lol.

Me either. Maybe they know the truth , too embarrassed , maybe have known truth since day 1 . Also may know he has no hope . If they thought he was innocent you would be there no matter. But if thats right why is OW there :banghead:

 

[Anonthemouse]

Witness Elise Neilsen: "He said 'she went for her normal 10 o'clock walk ... and hasn't come back'.

"My reaction was '10 o'clock, does she always walk at 10 o'clock?'.

"And he said 'yes'."

Constable Ash : "He (Baden-Clay) said that he last saw the missing person at 10pm on the night prior sitting on the couch watching the Footy Show," Constable Ash said.

Baden-Clay told him Allison went for a walk at 6am each morning for 2km because she was trying to lose weight.


http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...-of-wife-allison/story-e6freoof-1226595359813

Okay I am completely confused over the times here. Was Allison last seen at 10pm but assumed to be out on a 6am walk?
If the above is true, does anyone else think it's weird that 8 hours before exercising, she is ready and dressed in her exercise clothes? To relax and watch tv? really?

 

[squizzey1]

11.02am: Constable Ash said Baden-Clay had told him his wife had been angry because he'd been having an affair and that she no longer trusted him.

Baden-Clay told the officer they had had many arguments about it.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...-of-wife-allison/story-e6freoof-1226595359813

Surprise ! Surprise why would she

 

[linette]

Okay I am completely confused over the times here. Was Allison last seen at 10pm but assumed to be out on a 6am walk?
If the above is true, does anyone else think it's weird that 8 hours before exercising, she is ready and dressed in her exercise clothes? To relax and watch tv? really?

It was just the 2 versions of her walking that GBC gave. No, this has never made sense.

 

[UnfoldingTruth]

Playing the devil's advocate here a little - I heard what I thought was an awful scream a few months ago.....but because it only happened once I wasn't quite "sure". I didn't call the police because I had no idea what direction it came from or anything really except the time which I noted in case anything had happened. I doubt the police would patrol the area - unless lots of people rang up and reported a woman's scream - people yell out all the time and it's not always because they are in trouble. Also, unless you are certain of what house a scream comes from, or the screaming is prolonged, the police would not have any idea where to go and could not save a person anyway. However, if certain of trouble in a household, please always ring the police and report it - you can always say you don't want your neighbours to know!

I would agree. It is easy in hindsight to think you should have called..or why wouldn't you. I am sure the neighbours who did hear something wish now they had of done something, but as I said its in hindsight. SOmetimes, you aren't sure of what you heard, will wait to hear more and if nothing you don't think anymore. If something was prolonged shouting screaming and escalating you may be more likely. Again I guess it depends on what the sound was as to whether it alarmed you so much as to feel you could not let it go. I know there have been times I have thought should I or shouldn't I ring..am I overreacting.. Not so much as not wanting to get involved..just unsure of what you heard.. When it was only a brief sound, perhaps as they didn't hear anymore, they let it go.. if it had gone on, with more noise/screaming, then maybe they would have rung. Hard to know..and don't think you can blame them, I am sure they are wishing so much that they could turn back time and report it- if they did not.

By the way, thanks to all those you are at court or posting tweets and keeping everyone updated. I have not been on here much for awhile- though check in everynow and then- but haven't had much to add.

 

[AAAA]

Is GBC hiding in the corner again today?

 

[Curiousasacat]

Unfolding we have missed you and your kopper logs. Welcome back.

 

[Curiousasacat]

WHAT!!!

They only just got back in?

Leonie Mellor‏@leoniemellor

#BadenClay committal hearing breaks early for lunch. @abcnews

 

[Strangeworld]

I wish we could access the full transcripts from the hearing - I think we are missing some details that might help to piece everything together.

 

[alicat]

Re: glove.

Maybe when GBC was disposing of Allison the glove fingertip got caught up in Allison's jumper. He realised and told someone and they went back at 4am hoping to go down and find the fingertip of the glove knowing it is evidence?

4am in April? It would still be dark wouldn't it? Maybe they were hoping to see how/where the moon was and if they could stop and go down to the riverbank to retrieve it? Remember something went to forensics in WA? Maybe they found something on his car/clothes that is only found around that area?

 

[Curiousasacat]

I would agree. It is easy in hindsight to think you should have called..or why wouldn't you. I am sure the neighbours who did hear something wish now they had of done something, but as I said its in hindsight. SOmetimes, you aren't sure of what you heard, will wait to hear more and if nothing you don't think anymore. If something was prolonged shouting screaming and escalating you may be more likely. Again I guess it depends on what the sound was as to whether it alarmed you so much as to feel you could not let it go. I know there have been times I have thought should I or shouldn't I ring..am I overreacting.. Not so much as not wanting to get involved..just unsure of what you heard.. When it was only a brief sound, perhaps as they didn't hear anymore, they let it go.. if it had gone on, with more noise/screaming, then maybe they would have rung. Hard to know..and don't think you can blame them, I am sure they are wishing so much that they could turn back time and report it- if they did not.

By the way, thanks to all those you are at court or posting tweets and keeping everyone updated. I have not been on here much for awhile- though check in everynow and then- but haven't had much to add.

Yes, hindsight in great isn't it.

In the case where 3 people were brutaly murdered in Kapunda the neighbour that lived behind them also heard screams but never called police.

I hope that there is a lesson learnt here and that we will all become more aware and perhaps more willing to "help thy neighbour".

 

[UnfoldingTruth]

Unfolding we have missed you and your kopper logs. Welcome back.

ROFL Thanks..

 

[Radster]

Me either. Maybe they know the truth , too embarrassed , maybe have known truth since day 1 . Also may know he has no hope . If they thought he was innocent you would be there no matter. But if thats right why is OW there :banghead:

Maybe GBC asked them not to be there because it would be too stressful/upsetting or maybe his lawyers advised them not to lest it incite a public/media circus that plays into a lynch mob mentality. Whatever the case, we can't read too much into them not being there. Maybe EBC is looking after OW's kids so that she can be there?

 

[Curiousasacat]

11.45am: Another officer from Indooroopilly, Constable Liam Braunberger, told the court he had a conversation with Baden-Clay at the police station.

"I just asked a few questions, normal sort of questions relating to a missing person," he said.

Constable Braunberger said he asked about Allison's bank account and whether she had any money.

"Our missing persons unit would look into that to see whether there'd been any financial transactions," he said.


http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...-of-wife-allison/story-e6freoof-1226595359813

 

[bearbear]

Me either. Maybe they know the truth , too embarrassed , maybe have known truth since day 1 . Also may know he has no hope . If they thought he was innocent you would be there no matter. But if thats right why is OW there :banghead:

maybe theyre staying away because if he goes to prison, at least in their minds they can still hold their heads up in the community, they havent made fools of themselves supporting their guilty, foolish son, its easier to send ow along, she doesnt have to live there and hold up the bc name. distancing themselves doesnt look good for his innocence, like rats deserting a sinking ship!

 

[alicat]

GBC urging Allison to seek help is evil to me: someone I know has recently been going through post-natal depression-related anxiety and her husband supported her going for counseling so she could figure out why she was being so irrational but now it turns out he had been cheating on her and her anxiety was actually sane intuition.

I've just been trying to help my friend through a very hard time in her life (ongoing depression/suicide attempts) - I hope I'm not being seen as evil.

 

[Liadan]

So Ms OW has been told to stop flitting around her brother. Good work - finally someone noticed her blatant conversations - wonder if that is considered witness tampering?
And who is this other woman - the media can't be that focussed on the court proceedings that they have let that one go - if she is that angry at GBC she must have a great story to tell.

Allison's depression doesn't seem so significant to the case from my perspective. She sought out help from friends (Elise) and others were aware of her struggle even and her 'husband' knew. She had insight to her issues and her kids were her focus -
Her rountine that Friday is hardly indicative of suicidal behaviour. She had been to the hairdresser to be looking smart for a Friday work conference and then prepare for a kids sleepover with the cousins that Friday night and drop off a dress to Kerrianne on the way home from the conference.That seems incredibly normal humdrum family life to me.

 

[squizzey1]

I've just been trying to help my friend through a very hard time in her life (ongoing depression/suicide attempts) - I hope I'm not being seen as evil.

Totally different Alicat. Keep up the good work and get more help if she/you need it .Good luck and God bless

 

[Aunty]

I've just been trying to help my friend through a very hard time in her life (ongoing depression/suicide attempts) - I hope I'm not being seen as evil.

Not unless your having an affair with your friends spouse. Wink wink
But seriously, that is what makes a good friend , and your an angel for taking the time to help your friend. I hope they are Ok and Will get better soon.

 

[DrWatson]

Wonder what prompted the early lunch break? An upcoming witness who may take a long time, or something that the Magistrate wanted to discuss in his office with Davis and Boyle?

Very interesting... Any ideas, Ali?