***Day 2 -Committal Hearing*** 11th,12,13th March 2013

[squizzey1]

I don't know. If I was a judge, the screams heard from various people would be enough for me to call a trial. It's only half way through Day 2, lets not get too dejected yet.

Totally agree , too much against him. He is the same odds of being tried as Black Caviar is of winning her next race

 

[Curiousasacat]

Morning Tea

Alison Ariotti‏@AlisonAriotti

#BadenClay committal has broken for morning break. @AshleyMcDermid will have all the latest as the day continues. @9NewsBrisbane

 

[alioop]

All these witnesses that heard the 'blood curling' screams and did nothing about it. It's such a shame, and one I bet they wish they did something about every day of their life. (Much with the witnesses of Daniel Morcombe)

I have mentioned before, but I regret not stopping at the bridge after my feeling and looking. Allison could have been found days earlier.

I could only imagine how regretful they feel about not calling the police

Alicat, you would have been unlikely to have seen her even if you did, unless you went under the bridge through the thick vegetation or stood on the bridge and looked right over, neither of these things would have been easy or safe for you to do. Even if you had rung police and told them of your eerie feeling they likely would have thought you were a whacko.

 

[marlywings]

And yet he drafted his statement 3 weeks later...That's quite a long gap to remember specific words. Wasn't he the one who quoted that apparently damning statement about what the children were told that none of us could quite believe?

.......the statement he made about what the children said......Constable Ash would have passed this on to the detectives who arrived shortly after.

We've not heard from them yet

 

[Perthgirl62]

I'd also be interested in knowing if the interior car light was adjusted to OFF (when the doors are opened) when the police inspected the car on the morning.

I doubt he would have left them on if he was about to move Allison's body.

I know sometimes when I turn the interior light off (for reasons other than moving a body) I often forget to turn it back on.

He probably would have turned it back on when he returned home to clean it.

 

[marlywings]

10.45am: Constable Kieron Ash, from Indooroopilly police station, and his partner were the first police officers to arrive at the Baden-Clay home in Brookfield after Allison was reported missing.

He said when he arrived, he found Baden-Clay, his father Nigel and sister Olivia at the home.

"He (Baden-Clay) said that he last saw the missing person at 10pm on the night prior sitting on the couch watching the Footy Show," Constable Ash said.

Constable Ash said Baden-Clay told him Allison went for a walk at 6am each morning for 2km because she was trying to lose weight.

Baden-Clay told the officer she should have been back in time to get ready for a real estate conference she had that day.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...-of-wife-allison/story-e6freoof-1226595359813

 

[alicat]

Alicat, you would have been unlikely to have seen her even if you did, unless you went under the bridge through the thick vegetation or stood on the bridge and looked right over, neither of these things would have been easy or safe for you to do. Even if you had rung police and told them of your eerie feeling they likely would have thought you were a whacko.

I was going to check it out twice, once with my husband & daughter but he thought I was wacko (and still does!) but he told me not to stop and the other was with just my daughter but couldn't leave her in the car. The time with my daughter was the morning she was found.

 

[Amee]

10.59am: Constable Ash said he asked Baden-Clay how he got the scratches on his face.

"I cut myself shaving this morning," the officer said Baden-Clay told him.

Mr Davis asked why his statement included the added detail that Baden-Clay had said he was in a rush getting the girls ready for school - information not in his notes at the time.

"From my recollections," Constable Ash said.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...-of-wife-allison/story-e6freoof-1226595359813

 

[Bayside]

Three WEEKS after the event?? Somehow I knew Qld Police would eff this up.

I think the biggest efferupper is Gerard when he killed her.

 

[alioop]

I don't think there is a real issue that Ash made his statement 3 weeks later. He made notes and has been trained to be observant and remember things. Notes will jog someone's memory as to the finer details when they are writing a more detailed account later. I don't think it's a problem.

People aren't expected to have a photographic memory and different people have different recollections of the same event. It is far better for eg for there to be some inconsistencies between witness statements of the same event because it makes them actually more credible rather than if they were identical as that rings alarm bells that they have "got their stories straight"

 

[marlywings]

Witness Elise Neilsen: "He said 'she went for her normal 10 o'clock walk ... and hasn't come back'.

"My reaction was '10 o'clock, does she always walk at 10 o'clock?'.

"And he said 'yes'."

Constable Ash : "He (Baden-Clay) said that he last saw the missing person at 10pm on the night prior sitting on the couch watching the Footy Show," Constable Ash said.

Baden-Clay told him Allison went for a walk at 6am each morning for 2km because she was trying to lose weight.


http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...-of-wife-allison/story-e6freoof-1226595359813

 

[squizzey1]

I think the biggest efferupper is Gerard when he killed her.

Hi bayside where is the fat man in the boat lol

 

[Curiousasacat]

John Taylor‏@_JohnTaylor_

Gerard Baden Clay's sister stopped from talking to her brother in the dock during the morning tea break. @abcnews

 

[Bayside]

I don't think there is a real issue that Ash made his statement 3 weeks later. He made notes and has been trained to be observant and remember things. Notes will jog someone's memory as to the finer details when they are writing a more detailed account later. I don't think it's a problem.

People aren't expected to have a photographic memory and different people have different recollections of the same event. It is far better for eg for there to be some inconsistencies between witness statements of the same event because it makes them actually more credible rather than if they were identical as that rings alarm bells that they have "got their stories straight"

I agree as the notes are written in their notebooks and not always typed up straight after, 3 weeks to go from notes to typing isnt really as bad as it sounds.

 

[Judicious]

.......the statement he made about what the children said......Constable Ash would have passed this on to the detectives who arrived shortly after.

We've not heard from them yet

thank you Marlywings

 

[linette]

John Taylor‏@_JohnTaylor_

Gerard Baden Clay's sister stopped from talking to her brother in the dock during the morning tea break. @abcnews

Interesting !!

 

[Strangeworld]

I don't think a month later is too long to recall details of a conversation. When Constable Ash was writing his report, I'm sure he was able to remember other information not spelled out in his notebook. Police are trained to recall detail. I think Mr Davis is grasping at straws questioning this discrepancy.

 

[DrWatson]

10.59am: Constable Ash said he asked Baden-Clay how he got the scratches on his face.

"I cut myself shaving this morning," the officer said Baden-Clay told him.

Mr Davis asked why his statement included the added detail that Baden-Clay had said he was in a rush getting the girls ready for school - information not in his notes at the time.

"From my recollections," Constable Ash said.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...-of-wife-allison/story-e6freoof-1226595359813

I know it's his job, but Davis is trying to imply that Const Ash is an unreliable witness and adding detail not in his notebook, and hence open to argument.

As Marly said - it would be interesting to hear from the other police who arrived ahortly after Const Ash. Although if their statements corroborate his, the defence may have chosen not to cross-examine them for the committal, as it would weaken their case.

 

[Bayside]

Hi bayside where is the fat man in the boat lol

DO you mean my hubby, he is working lolol.

 

[Bayside]

I don't think a month later is too long to recall details of a conversation. When Constable Ash was writing his report, I'm sure he was able to remember other information not spelled out in his notebook. Police are trained to recall detail. I think Mr Davis is grasping at straws questioning this discrepancy.

The constable would have also passed all the info he got straight over to the Detectives who then took over.