***Day 2 -Committal Hearing*** 11th,12,13th March 2013

[mrs plod]

I googled "I don't love you, I hate you." .....

Here is one of the results.....a bit creapy me thinks....
http://www.mychemicalromancefanfiction.com/Story/3373/My-Sweetie-I-Have-To-Tell-You/4/

Freaky alright.

 

[Sleuthilicious]

The terms "Gerbil" and "Skull Manor" have been pathetic, agreed.



:tyou: for being you

Awww, shucks. Thanks.

 

[Makara]

John Taylor ‏@_JohnTaylor_
No more witnesses today now. 6 witnesses tomorrow. @abcnews #BadenClay Defence barrister asked for 9.30 start. He's used to 10am starts

John Taylor ‏@_JohnTaylor_
Magistrate Brendan Butler said "we work harder in the magistrates court" #BadenClay but agreed to a later start tomorrow

 

[alioop]

That was me and our dear alioop said it had to go the full distance

Of course at any time, GBC can agree to be committed for trial or they can just say they don't want to cross examine any more witnesses but I am presuming that won't be occurring.

 

[Thinking]

I spoke to a neighbour of GBC's this morning who lives behind their rental property in Boscombe Road (a few houses back) and they didn't hear anything that night. All the noise must have been coming from the front of the house.

That is interesting, thanks for this indromum. When mr tzketkoff (spelling) was describing the noises he heard yesterday, he seemed sure they were from the direction of the BC residence and at one point he said they could have even been on the road at the front of the house - so yes, I presumed the noise aspect occurred at the front if that testimony is correct.

 

[Champagne4lulu]

So if the FaceTime call is disproven and there is the possibility of accomplices. How did the accused round up the help? Any ideas?

 

[linette]

Similarities to the Chamberlain case I have noticed

1. Very heightened media interest in the story

2. Certain themes/characteristics made the accused "suspicious" - Chamberlains - members of a "cult" (Seventh Day Adventists)- Baden-Clays - Scouting, Christian pastoral connection, hyphenated surname, African history etc

3. The public made very quick & damning assessments about the accused and his relatives based on words uttered under enormous pressure, questionable body language and the "correct" emotions being expressed (or not). Exactly the same thing happened to Lindy Chamberlain who was seen as distant and cold. And who incidentally was "crucified" because of her initial openness to the media. I will never forget the initial interview she did with Today Tonight (or was it 60 Minutes).

4. Police jumped to a very strong and quick conclusion and don't seem to be all that open to any other possibilities.


5. Evidence was largely circumstantial and was very strongly influenced by forensic testing which was later shown to be false!

6. Because of the huge publicity attached to the case it seems that many police and judicial careers depended on the success or otherwise of the case and this seemed to influence their objectivity in the case.

Worth thinking about IMO

I think it's very wrong to accuse judges or police to be wanting to further their own careers by 'getting their man' so to speak. I am pretty sure they are interested in getting THE person who is responsible.

Also I don't agree with your No 5. ... It makes it sound as though most of the info was incorrect and that isn't the case.

 

[KG1]

Wonder what prompted the early lunch break? An upcoming witness who may take a long time, or something that the Magistrate wanted to discuss in his office with Davis and Boyle?

Very interesting... Any ideas, Ali?

Hungry Magistrate?:what:

 

[alioop]

The old contrarian in me is just wondering if the police and media (and some posters on this site) feel in any way distressed that this false information has been substantially used to destroy NBC's reputation?

Read this article again.
http://www.news.com.au/national-new...-documents-claim/story-e6frfkvr-1226413294650

It's quite chilling. You might get an insight into how the police work in cases like these. Let's not be naive!
Seems to me that NBC and EBC may be owed a big, public apology?
Wonder what else they've got wrong? Feels a bit like Chamberlains all over again this case!

I don't understand why the media did not publish this info about the facetime call being an error. They knew as soon as they saw the second bail hearing documents that was the case so why not publicly state so. It did not prejudice anyone to release this info, and in fact the opposite. Why did the media hush it up.

 

[Trooper]

Similarities to the Chamberlain case I have noticed

1. Very heightened media interest in the story

2. Certain themes/characteristics made the accused "suspicious" - Chamberlains - members of a "cult" (Seventh Day Adventists)- Baden-Clays - Scouting, Christian pastoral connection, hyphenated surname, African history etc

3. The public made very quick & damning assessments about the accused and his relatives based on words uttered under enormous pressure, questionable body language and the "correct" emotions being expressed (or not). Exactly the same thing happened to Lindy Chamberlain who was seen as distant and cold. And who incidentally was "crucified" because of her initial openness to the media. I will never forget the initial interview she did with Today Tonight (or was it 60 Minutes).

4. Police jumped to a very strong and quick conclusion and don't seem to be all that open to any other possibilities.


5. Evidence was largely circumstantial and was very strongly influenced by forensic testing which was later shown to be false!

6. Because of the huge publicity attached to the case it seems that many police and judicial careers depended on the success or otherwise of the case and this seemed to influence their objectivity in the case.

Worth thinking about IMO

When Gerard claims that Allison was taken by a dingo, I'll take on board these 'comparisons'... meanwhile......

 

[Strangeworld]

Similarities to the Chamberlain case I have noticed

1. Very heightened media interest in the story
Isn't the first and won't be the last. Very very long bow to draw a similarity from this
2. Certain themes/characteristics made the accused "suspicious" - Chamberlains - members of a "cult" (Seventh Day Adventists)- Baden-Clays - Scouting, Christian pastoral connection, hyphenated surname, African history etc
I haven't really read one thing that logically suggested Allison's murder had anything to do with the scouting movement, African history, or hyphenated names. I have, however, read information that may add insight into the individuals involved in the case i.e. knowledge of the bushland surrounding the crime scene

3. The public made very quick & damning assessments about the accused and his relatives based on words uttered under enormous pressure, questionable body language and the "correct" emotions being expressed (or not). Exactly the same thing happened to Lindy Chamberlain who was seen as distant and cold. And who incidentally was "crucified" because of her initial openness to the media. I will never forget the initial interview she did with Today Tonight (or was it 60 Minutes).
Of course the public is going to pass judgement on what they see, even if it is only part of the story. But that happens across many cases presented in the media. But Lindy Chamberlain was not wrongly convicted based on appearing distant and cold, just like GBC will never be convicted based on his body language, etc. I guess you could call that a similarity Everyone is entitled to pass judgement as long as it doesn't border on defamation. At least on this website, defamation is not allowed.
4. Police jumped to a very strong and quick conclusion and don't seem to be all that open to any other possibilities.
Examples, please? I haven't spoken to any of the police involved, so I really don't have insight into their thought processes, how they came to their conclusions, or if they considered other possibilities. But maybe you have?

5. Evidence was largely circumstantial and was very strongly influenced by forensic testing which was later shown to be false!
Which forensic testing in this case are you referring to? So far, I am only aware of the facetime call. I'll give you that one. But any others? I'm sure GBC was never going to be convicted based on this one piece of evidence.
6. Because of the huge publicity attached to the case it seems that many police and judicial careers depended on the success or otherwise of the case and this seemed to influence their objectivity in the case.
Could you be more specific. Which police, whose careers? I'm not sure what you are suggesting.....
Worth thinking about IMO

My comments are bolded above

 

[lycheefarmer]

MOO:
If a member of my family was being questioned by police, and they referred to a call that didn't exist, I would handover my phone, computer and any other device to them to back up my claim that the call didn't exist. The article states that both parents declined requests for further statements. Considering that the existence of the call would cast doubt on GBC being asleep as he stated, why wouldn't you do whatever you could to disprove the existance of the call? (Unless there was a possibility that there were other items on the phone that may be incriminating...) Just my thoughts.

With all due respect as someone who's a bit of a bush counsellor I don't think anyone would know how they would react in these kind of traumatic circumstances. How do you even know that the police comments about the statements (or lack thereof) from the BCs are even true? Especially given the wrong information from the police in the rest of that article?

 

[UnfoldingTruth]

I think it's very wrong to accuse judges or police to be wanting to further their own careers by 'getting their man' so to speak. I am pretty sure they are interested in getting THE person who is responsible.

Also I don't agree with your No 5. ... It makes it sound as though most of the info was incorrect and that isn't the case.

Agreed, I don't think its the place to be accusing police either.

I think the Police ran a thorough investigation and came to the conclusions they did based on many things. And I also think things have come along way since the Chamberlain case. Including forensics. I don't agree with the name calling of some of the relatives etc either, but lets not go down the other path of bashing the police and Judges and implying impropriety.

 

[marlywings]

Similarities to the Chamberlain case I have noticed

1. Very heightened media interest in the story

2. Certain themes/characteristics made the accused "suspicious" - Chamberlains - members of a "cult" (Seventh Day Adventists)- Baden-Clays - Scouting, Christian pastoral connection, hyphenated surname, African history etc

3. The public made very quick & damning assessments about the accused and his relatives based on words uttered under enormous pressure, questionable body language and the "correct" emotions being expressed (or not). Exactly the same thing happened to Lindy Chamberlain who was seen as distant and cold. And who incidentally was "crucified" because of her initial openness to the media. I will never forget the initial interview she did with Today Tonight (or was it 60 Minutes).

4. Police jumped to a very strong and quick conclusion and don't seem to be all that open to any other possibilities.


5. Evidence was largely circumstantial and was very strongly influenced by forensic testing which was later shown to be false!

6. Because of the huge publicity attached to the case it seems that many police and judicial careers depended on the success or otherwise of the case and this seemed to influence their objectivity in the case.

Worth thinking about IMO

I remember asking a member this question quite some time back. I never did receive a reply.

You quote the Chamberlain case. That is one case in absolute millions of other cases.

What about all those million of other cases in which the accused has been found guilty & sentenced to prison for the crimes they've committed.???

Across Australia, our prisons are full of criminals who have "claimed" "I'm innocent it's all the cops fault I'm in here".

 

[possumheart]

Similarities to the Chamberlain case I have noticed

1. Very heightened media interest in the story

Conversely, women other than Allison who have gone missing have not had the same amount of coverage or effort put into being found. This is because of the 'high profile' GBC himself has worked to achieve, Allison's past (Miss. Brisbane), and the white woman syndrome.

2. Certain themes/characteristics made the accused "suspicious" - Chamberlains - members of a "cult" (Seventh Day Adventists)- Baden-Clays - Scouting, Christian pastoral connection, hyphenated surname, African history etc

Mostly this has been brought up to understand their cultural positioning as different to mainstream Queensland = 'othering' - a normal part of human nature

3. The public made very quick & damning assessments about the accused and his relatives based on words uttered under enormous pressure, questionable body language and the "correct" emotions being expressed (or not). Exactly the same thing happened to Lindy Chamberlain who was seen as distant and cold. And who incidentally was "crucified" because of her initial openness to the media. I will never forget the initial interview she did with Today Tonight (or was it 60 Minutes).

Like or lump it, life today is a series of sound bytes.

4. Police jumped to a very strong and quick conclusion and don't seem to be all that open to any other possibilities.

GBC was not named as a suspect for a very long time

5. Evidence was largely circumstantial and was very strongly influenced by forensic testing which was later shown to be false!

Technology is a steep learning curve changing daily. Similar IT forensic challenges were observed with experts in the Casey Anthony case.

6. Because of the huge publicity attached to the case it seems that many police and judicial careers depended on the success or otherwise of the case and this seemed to influence their objectivity in the case.

It comes with being 'high profile ... if GBC was an onion picker in Withcott this wouldn't be the case. If you put yourself out there as flashy and successful, and a role model in the public eye, you have to be prepared for it to all turn fickle.

MOO IMO BAAH

 

[squizzey1]

When Gerard claims that Allison was taken by a dingo, I'll take on board these 'comparisons'... meanwhile......

me too . did the dingo get the superannuation and insurance i wonder.

AND because it is high profile is Jill Mahers case similar to the Chamberlains . Give us a break seriously!!!

 

[Bayside]

When Gerard claims that Allison was taken by a dingo, I'll take on board these 'comparisons'... meanwhile......

Lol...agree ..woof

 

[Makara]

I don't understand why the media did not publish this info about the facetime call being an error. They knew as soon as they saw the second bail hearing documents that was the case so why not publicly state so. It did not prejudice anyone to release this info, and in fact the opposite. Why did the media hush it up.

They may have been advised by their legal eagles not to do so.

 

[lycheefarmer]

My comments are bolded above

Don't know any more, I'm just a cynical old observor and we'll have to wait and see if the speculative similarities have any basis in fact. I'm just big on having an open mind!

 

[MaxwellSmart]

So, this information was known to both sides, for some time, and neither of them thought it only fair to let NBC , and the media know about it. I'm sorry, but that's just not good enough.
Bad Bad Bad. Not happy Jan !

But surely if they wanted to set the record straight they would vigorously and strenuously deny that it happened and "grant" the police an interview to put their side forward. All I can see from the bc side is muddied waters designed to confuse and deflect whereas in contrast, the Dickies transparency has been crystal and painfully (for them) clear. As has been said many times, if they thought their son was entirely innocent they would be forthright in their dealings with police and media and make public protestations, they are not doing this however because they do not know this for sure.........thus the evasiveness and hiding. And in this same vein, one other sleuther asked where in history did an innocent man retain a barrister 30 minutes after he reports his wife missing......?