DC - Former President Donald Trump indicted, 4 federal counts in 2020 election interference, 1 Aug 2023, Trial 4 Mar 2024

[branmuffin]

And....the Judge denied the defense request to delay. Monday remains the deadline.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1687940266655645696

I'm curious what is different about this case in contrast to all the other (civil) court cases involving Trump where he's been successful in delaying, delaying, delaying? Why have judges allowed the delays in prior cases knowing what Trump's litigious history is? So many of his lawsuits just go away because the plaintiff can't afford the delays which is Trump's attorneys' plans all along.

 

[Inthedetails]

I'm curious what is different about this case in contrast to all the other (civil) court cases involving Trump where he's been successful in delaying, delaying, delaying? Why have judges allowed the delays in prior cases knowing what Trump's litigious history is? So many of his lawsuits just go away because the plaintiff can't afford the delays which is Trump's attorneys' plans all along.

Off the top of my head, imo, this judge is seeing it as a manipulative tactic to delay rather than having a real reason to delay. There is no reason the defendant needs until Thursday to respond to this particular issue (timeline was posted upthread that shows his team was not responding and was seeming to purposely waste time).

The judge is not out of line in setting the rules in her courtroom.

My non-lawyer observation, fwiw.

jmo

 

[Inthedetails]

Off the top of my head, imo, this judge is seeing it as a manipulative tactic to delay rather than having a real reason to delay. There is no reason the defendant needs until Thursday to respond to this particular issue (timeline was posted upthread that shows his team was not responding and was seeming to purposely waste time).

The judge is not out of line in setting the rules in her courtroom.

My non-lawyer observation, fwiw.

jmo

Just to add, as well - the judge is obligated to follow the law but she is not obligated to handle Trump cases in the same way as other judges have handled cases in the past (or present), as long as she follows the law.

I think delays can be useful because they sometimes lead to settling the case out of court.

I don't think we can make blanket statements about whether a delay is good or bad....but just look at the case at hand. In this case, the defendant looks like he's trying to play the judge and she's not having it. At least for this particular issue, with a Monday deadline. Another issue might call for something different.

jmo

 

[sds71]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1688187502559920129

 

[TootsieFootsie]

In my opinion it's a combination of things.

For one thing he especially doesn't like being told what to do by a woman.

For another thing he doesn't like not being the one in charge.

He likes to tell other people what to do, not the other way round. He thinks it makes him look weak.

 

[weepingangel]

Hillary too:

Hillary Clinton Trolls Donald Trump, Promotes ‘But Her Emails’ Merch in Response to Indictment | National Review

‘Bringing this back in light of recent news,’ the 2016 Democratic presidential nominee tweeted with a link to buy a ‘But Her Emails’ hat.

www.nationalreview.com

 

[Niner]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1688187502559920129

I would like to hear what those "powerful grounds" are??

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I think he's spent his entire life bullying people and getting away with it.

 

[PommyMommy]

AUG 5,

https://twitter.com/x/status/1688187502559920129

Right on cue. So predictable. MOO

 

[Inthedetails]

I would like to hear what those "powerful grounds" are??

They are listed on a sheet of paper somewhere in that pile of evidence of election fraud that no one seems to have.

Let's see, if we pull out this paper from the stack....oops! That's top-secret military info about another country. How did that get there?

jmo

 

[MyBelle]

In my opinion it's a combination of things.

For one thing he especially doesn't like being told what to do by a woman.

For another thing he doesn't like not being the one in charge.

He likes to tell other people what to do, not the other way round. He thinks it makes him look weak.

He's always been a sexist bully.

JMO

 

[crussell821]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1688187502559920129

Lol, he’s so desperate!

 

[Inthedetails]

What a move to complain that the case "waited" while at the same time he is seeking delays and change of venue that would delay the proceedings. Not that his fans will likely notice. And, not that it needs pointing out that he is telling lies, but the case is not about being Biden's opponent.
jmo

For those who can't access tweets:


Joyce Alene
@JoyceWhiteVance

Yes, we all know that if DOJ had indicted earlier, Trump would have meekly submitted to the process

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
DERANGED JACK SMITH AND OUR HIGHLY PARTISAN, AND VERY CORRUPT DEPARTMENT OF INJUSTICE, COULD HAVE BROUGHT THIS BIDEN "OPPONENT" CASE YEARS AGO, BUT CHOSE TO WAIT AND BRING IT RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF MY ELECTION CAMPAIGN. NO WAY!!! I HOPE YOU ARE WATCHING AMERICA. OUR COUNTRY IS BEING DESTROYED. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN

https://twitter.com/x/status/1688183496290791424

 

[Vern]

It's all manipulation. Trump complains he didn't really say Pence is "too honest." By the way the defendant fusses about it, the attention goes to one little (liddle') phrase while he and his followers ignore the big picture.

The defendant is gaslighting and manipulating the narrative.

And the screaming crowds now have slogans to show what team they are cheering for. Boo "Too Honest!" Yikes, that sounds scarier than I thought.

jmo

I'd liken it to an extreme cult at this point. Absolutely scary when usually sane and rational persons are willing to ignore facts, recorded conversations, filmed events etc (ie: factual evidence) to prop up an enable such a horrible human being.

Many of them will need de-programming eventually IMO. Sad.

 

[Vern]

Off the top of my head, imo, this judge is seeing it as a manipulative tactic to delay rather than having a real reason to delay. There is no reason the defendant needs until Thursday to respond to this particular issue (timeline was posted upthread that shows his team was not responding and was seeming to purposely waste time).

The judge is not out of line in setting the rules in her courtroom.

My non-lawyer observation, fwiw.

jmo

Didn't his attorney's also just ask for any trial to occur "after the election"?

That makes his end-goal rather obvious and this Judge is simply having none of it (Mr. Trump you will be tried for your actions). Heck, he's even mentioned pardons for himself should he win in 2024... and possible witness' against him (more 'tampering' and 'influencing' there IMO).

 

[ilovewings]

Trump Wants ‘Nightmare’ Judge Chutkan Off His Jan. 6 Case

“There is no way I can get a fair trial with the judge ‘assigned’ to the ridiculous freedom of speech/fair elections case,” Trump wrote.

www.thedailybeast.com

This is from the Daily Beast so don't know if you will be able to read it- the headline says it all: who is surprised he wants this judge off the case- I don't think that will happen. These judges in Washington DC are a little more sophisticated than Judge Cannon and I don't believe they will allow him to manipulate the court. I think a gag order is in order I really do: He keeps calling out special counsel as 'deranged"- which is probably a dog whistle to have some of his minions take the guy out. Anyone working on this case for the government better have 24/7 really good security because there will be people who may act on Trump's unspoken words-- such as Henry 11- paraphrasing
here " Will nobody rid me of this meddlesome priest"- referring to Thomas Beckett who was in fact assassinated in church by people doing the King's bidding

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Nixon had shame- something Trump could never feel--Nixon would
Never. Have attempted to overthrow an election--he was a boy scout
Compared to Trump.

I'm not sure Nixon had shame.

But as things looked uglier and uglier for him, Congressional members of his own party told him it wouldn't support him any longer.

I don't see that happening with Trump.

As we saw on January 6, they will support him to the bitter end, even after their own lives were at stake from the mob.

MOO of course.

 

[Inthedetails]

The defense lawyer on this case is making the rounds on Sunday morning news shows. I tried watching a segment but bailed as he is intolerable to listen to, imo. But I'm not his audience.

If he has time to be interviewed all morning today, I guess that means the defense team will be ready for its Monday deadline with the court without problem, proving there was no need to delay until Thursday.

jmo

 

[ilovewings]

I'm not sure Nixon had shame.

But as things looked uglier and uglier for him, Congressional members of his own party told him it wouldn't support him any longer.

I don't see that happening with Trump.

As we saw on January 6, they will support him to the bitter end, even after their own lives were at stake from the mob.

MOO of course.

What If Nixon Had No Shame? - WSJ

www.wsj.com

I am not sure you will be able to read this old article (1996) from the Wall Street Journal which states that Nixon was tortured by Watergate and had shame about it. I do believe that. I do not equate him with Trump: Nixon was a real politician, an intelligent man, who really did some good things while he was president. Unfortunately he was also corrupt - but I don't believe he was a sociopath: he was not violent and he did not encourage violence.

 

[ilovewings]

The defense lawyer on this case is making the rounds on Sunday morning news shows. I tried watching a segment but bailed as he is intolerable to listen to, imo. But I'm not his audience.

If he has time to be interviewed all morning today, I guess that means the defense team will be ready for its Monday deadline with the court without problem, proving there was no need to delay until Thursday.

jmo

He is intolerable with that fake smile- had to change the channel