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BBC live feed, including posts from the BBC's Washington correspondent Gary O'Donoghue, who was in the ballroom.

Donoghue's account of the lax security matches what the ABC editor related in the article I linked above.

They don't seem to have been treating the event as the high security risk it was.

MOO
 
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The president was uninjured and was rushed off the stage. The armed man, who officials said was a guest at the Washington Hilton where the dinner was being held, was taken into custody and was expected in court Monday. Police believe he opened fire and acted alone but did not say who was his intended target or describe a motive.

“When you’re impactful, they go after you. When you’re not impactful, they leave you alone,” Trump, safe and uninjured and still in his tuxedo, said at the White House two hours later. “They seem to think he was a lone wolf.”
 
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Allen was a guest at the hotel. That's how he got in the hotel with his weapons. He was already there. So maybe the failure was a venue with open access from the guests. It seems to me that the agents and LE reacted bravely and effectively under the circumstances. This had to have taken a great deal of planning on the part of the shooter, gathering weapons, traveling cross country and checking in the hotel in advance of the dinner. MOO
 
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I don't believe it was "real" - just like in Butler, PA.... take the news off Iran, Epstein files, etc.....
 
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I'm shocked security was so lax the gunman was able to rush in. I'm shocked he thought he'd be able to shoot the president (if that was his goal). The whole thing seems so ridiculous. But actually in the grand scheme of things these days I guess not that shocking.
 
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Investigators were working on Sunday to determine a motive in the shooting that sent Secret Service agents rushing President Trump from the stage at the White House correspondents’ dinner, an attack that raised questions about how a gunman was able to get close to one of Washington’s most heavily guarded events.

The suspect, identified by two law enforcement officials speaking on condition of anonymity as Cole Tomas Allen, 31, of Torrance, Calif., was taken into custody after running through a security checkpoint and exchanging gunfire with the authorities inside the Washington Hilton on Saturday night. Officials said he did not reach the ballroom, where Mr. Trump, top administration officials and hundreds of journalists had gathered.
Federal authorities surrounded the Los Angeles-area home of the suspect in the attack at the White House correspondents’ dinner late Saturday, as police vehicles with flashing red and blue lights blocked the street.

It was not clear if the authorities had entered the home, in Torrance, Calif. Shortly after midnight Pacific Time, the agents moved out as a convoy of armored vehicles — with agents wearing F.B.I. insignia hanging off the sides — rolled past a crowd of residents and news media crews.
 
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Here's two perspectives of the venue.

First shows the shooter face down at the TOP of stairs.
Second shows the Secret Service reacting to the shooting DOWNSTAIRS.

The lobby carpet in the downstairs footage looks similar to the upstairs footage.

IMO, the Shooter was on the main floor of the hotel where he rushed the metal detectors heading for the stairs down, but was stopped. Excellent work by the authorities here.

The event was taking place on the floor below where the shooter was (and where he was stopped), also with a large lobby-type area outside of it. Also explains why, as I stated in my first post on the thread, that the shots sounded quite far away in the footage we've seen from "inside the ballroom". Shooter was upstairs near the main entrance to the hotel when he opened fire and was stopped. Shooter wasn't in the room nor was he even on the same floor as the dinner IMO.

ALL IMO. We'll see if time and further info coming out backs up my thoughts/theory on this. Currently looking for a hotel layout diagram ...


 
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Here's two perspectives of the venue.

First shows the shooter face down at the TOP of stairs.
Second shows the Secret Service reacting to the shooting DOWNSTAIRS.

The lobby carpet in the downstairs footage looks similar to the upstairs footage.

IMO, the Shooter was on the main floor of the hotel where he rushed the metal detectors heading for the stairs down, but was stopped. Excellent work by the authorities here.

The event was taking place on the floor below where the shooter was (and where he was stopped), also with a large lobby-type area outside of it. Also explains why, as I stated in my first post on the thread, that the shots sounded quite far away in the footage we've seen from "inside the ballroom". Shooter was upstairs near the main entrance to the hotel when he opened fire and was stopped.

ALL IMO. We'll see if time and further info coming out backs up my thoughts on this. Currently looking for a hotel layout diagram ...



It looks like there is the lobby, then down to a terrace level, then down to a concourse level where the ballrooms are.
(AI says the terrace and the concourse are below the lobby ... I haven't checked the AI sources)


There is a floorplan here.


And another one here.

 
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Here's two perspectives of the venue.

First shows the shooter face down at the TOP of stairs.
Second shows the Secret Service reacting to the shooting DOWNSTAIRS.

The lobby carpet in the downstairs footage looks similar to the upstairs footage.

IMO, the Shooter was on the main floor of the hotel where he rushed the metal detectors heading for the stairs down, but was stopped. Excellent work by the authorities here.

The event was taking place on the floor below where the shooter was (and where he was stopped), also with a large lobby-type area outside of it. Also explains why, as I stated in my first post on the thread, that the shots sounded quite far away in the footage we've seen from "inside the ballroom". Shooter was upstairs near the main entrance to the hotel when he opened fire and was stopped. Shooter wasn't in the room nor was he even on the same fllor as the dinner.

ALL IMO. We'll see if time and further info coming out backs up my thoughts on this. Currently looking for a hotel layout diagram ...


Thanks for the clarification. So the shooter did not get near the room where the event was held. I'm sure access to the room was very secure despite the gunman being able to breach that outer checkpoint. No one was killed, not even the gunman. Kudos to the security personnel.
 
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POTUS always sits at the head of the table.
Not at this dinner. This is a dinner for the news media to relax, honor their peers and make jokes about their unusual jobs. Presidents don't always attend. That's why I posed that rhetorical question. It all seems poorly planned this year, to say the least. Very bizarre situation.
 
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Here's a good map of the layout of the Hilton. The international ballroom is on the Concourse level (bottom floor) and bottom pic in map.

There are no stairs downwards anywhere on this floor.

Stairs down to this floor are to the right of the ballroom & just to the right of the elevators. Washrooms are located next to the bottom of the stairs.

Washington Hilton Map
 
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Donoghue's account of the lax security matches what the ABC editor related in the article I linked above.

They don't seem to have been treating the event as the high security risk it was.

MOO
It's just a guess but there were probably a lot of last minute changes to this event that disrupted planning for security.
 
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Allen’s neighbor, who gave the name Jeff Smith, told The Post that “maybe he could be on the spectrum.”

Being an engineer who went to Caltech might already bump up those chances right? Not being super serious but also, I’d expect to a higher than average percentage of autistic students in a major and university like that. Add in that he appears to have then been tutoring part time and went back for a masters in comp sci recently. It’d fit for him to excel in school but struggle to actually kick off his career after. Speaking from personal experience. I don’t see him possibly being autistic as having anything to do with this shooting, just he might feel that he doesn’t fit in and/or might be frustrated about his career and stuff. Idk how to get from that to all this but I wouldn’t be shocked if Jeff’s right in which case it’d help understand the suspect’s personality and the way his thinking works. Who knows though
 
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It was not immediately released when the suspect checked into the hotel. Security camera footage released by Trump to social media shortly after the incident shows the gunman running past security officers who appear to be disassembling the metal detectors. Once the president was seated in the ballroom, additional attendees were not permitted to enter the secured area, which is why they were taking them down.

“It shows that our multi-layered protection works,” Secret Service director Sean Curran said. His comments were echoed by Carroll, who said the security plan for the evening was developed by the Secret Service and “that security plan did work this evening.”

 
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I don't believe it was "real" - just like in Butler, PA.... take the news off Iran, Epstein
It’s disturbing that hotels allow guests to check in with numerous weapons, etc. It would be great if travelers and event guests could choose hotels that don’t allow such weapons on the premises.
 
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Being an engineer who went to Caltech might already bump up those chances right? Not being super serious but also, I’d expect to a higher than average percentage of autistic students in a major and university like that. Add in that he appears to have then been tutoring part time and went back for a masters in comp sci recently. It’d fit for him to excel in school but struggle to actually kick off his career after. Speaking from personal experience. I don’t see him possibly being autistic as having anything to do with this shooting, just he might feel that he doesn’t fit in and/or might be frustrated about his career and stuff. Idk how to get from that to all this but I wouldn’t be shocked if Jeff’s right in which case it’d help understand the suspect’s personality and the way his thinking works. Who knows though
I agree with you that this is a possibility.
 

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