DCA - American Airlines passenger plane collides with Blackhawk over the Potomac River, all 67 on both dead, 29 Jan 2025
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Sincere condolences to all who lost someone and thank you to all of the first responders and to so many others who are helping the families behind the scenes. Is there any news of ongoing grief counseling being offered to the families, hopefully at no cost? My son's GF's brother (in his 20's) died in a vehicle accident, even with counseling the family is still dealing with issues like ... some older family members did not appear to be "sad enough". So much sadness all around ...
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'You helped bring our boy home' | Parents of Black Hawk crew member in DC crash share profound sense of loss, thank first responders
Staff Sgt. Ryan O'Hara was from Gwinnett County and an alum of Parkview High.www.11alive.com
Hoping his baby will be a great comfort and healing to everyone in the days ahead, esp. the grandparents and the poor mother.
Sad for those Army officers that have to deliver such terrible news.
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I am thankful for this.
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First time I have heard about this final part of the ATC communications.
Moments later the controller made another call to the helicopter, apparently telling the copter to wait for the jet to pass.
There was no reply and the aircraft collided.
apnews.com
Moments later the controller made another call to the helicopter, apparently telling the copter to wait for the jet to pass.
There was no reply and the aircraft collided.
What is known about the deadly collision between a passenger jet and Army helicopter
Officials say the remains of all victims of a midair collision near Washington's D.C.'s Ronald Reagan National Airport have been recovered.
apnews.com
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This is absolutely remarkable. 67/67. Hope this brings some level of comfort to the families, friends, and first responders. Such a horrific tragedy.
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First time I have heard about this final part of the ATC communications.
Moments later the controller made another call to the helicopter, apparently telling the copter to wait for the jet to pass.
There was no reply and the aircraft collided.
What is known about the deadly collision between a passenger jet and Army helicopter
Officials say the remains of all victims of a midair collision near Washington's D.C.'s Ronald Reagan National Airport have been recovered.
I think the reporting here is inaccurate. In the same sequence being reported, it's long been known ATC advised PAT25 to 'pass behind the jet,' and not to wait for the jet to pass. JMO
ETA: Also, ref post 1130 for full 8 min audio & traffic transmission from ATC.
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Yes, I have listened to the previous audio. Is it cut for a moment or two at around the 4:41 mark in the video in post 1130? In between where the plane was told to stand by for approach and Immediately before the "crash, crash, crash".
That is the part where I wondered if the transmission telling the helicopter to wait might have happened, but it is perhaps edited.
It very well may be wrong, I just take AP News as a bit more reliable than others - but they can make mistakes as well.
First time I have heard about this final part of the ATC communications.
Moments later the controller made another call to the helicopter, apparently telling the copter to wait for the jet to pass.
There was no reply and the aircraft collided.
What is known about the deadly collision between a passenger jet and Army helicopter
Officials say the remains of all victims of a midair collision near Washington's D.C.'s Ronald Reagan National Airport have been recovered.
You have to be very careful about which tape of the ATC communications you are listening to.
The tape obtained and posted by Captain Steeeve on Youtube has the full communications.
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"Black Hawk helicopter's shocking aviation blunder
moments before crashing into plane in DC
is confirmed in new NTSB report.
The helicopter,
flown by 28-year-old Captain Rebecca M. Lobach on a routine training exercise, was flying at 300 feet,
but the maximum altitude permitted for choppers in the area is 200 feet.
The black box data recovered from the wreckage in the Potomac River
had indicated that this likely occurred,
but the National Transport Safety Board was waiting on the air traffic control data before they confirmed.
Radar data is rounded to the nearest 100 feet,
which means the helicopter was flying anywhere between
251 feet and 349 feet of elevation,
the NTSB said.
Meanwhile,
the passenger plane was at 325 feet at the time of the crash
and had been cleared to land."
Black Hawk helicopter's shocking aviation blunder before DC crash
Questions had been raised about how the collision - which killed all 67 people involved - occurred, given pilots follow strict protocol about the altitudes they can safely reach.
THIS ^^^ !
Still wondering why the chopper was at that altitude ?
Is it possible to set an altimeter wrongly by mistake ?
Still so many questions.
100 feet for the margin of error is just too darn short, IMO.
I am not a pilot and have only flown in airplanes.
Still seems like 100 feet is taking a risk.
Imo.
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A water cannon salute paid tribute to American Airlines flight attendant Ian Epstein, who was killed in last week's crash near Reagan National Airport, as his body was flown to Charlotte, North Carolina, to be buried.
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I have no doubt that this will be one of the most through NTSB investigations, with close scrutiny by both sides of the house and senate, as these folks and their families fly into this airport frequently.
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seems like a small margin of error for two big fast metal things hurling towards each other but it never happened before so....
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Do we really know who was piloting the helicopter?"Black Hawk helicopter's shocking aviation blunder
moments before crashing into plane in DC
is confirmed in new NTSB report.
View attachment 562745
The helicopter,
flown by 28-year-old Captain Rebecca M. Lobach on a routine training exercise, was flying at 300 feet,
but the maximum altitude permitted for choppers in the area is 200 feet.
The black box data recovered from the wreckage in the Potomac River
had indicated that this likely occurred,
but the National Transport Safety Board was waiting on the air traffic control data before they confirmed.
Radar data is rounded to the nearest 100 feet,
which means the helicopter was flying anywhere between
251 feet and 349 feet of elevation,
the NTSB said.
Meanwhile,
the passenger plane was at 325 feet at the time of the crash
and had been cleared to land."
Black Hawk helicopter's shocking aviation blunder before DC crash
Questions had been raised about how the collision - which killed all 67 people involved - occurred, given pilots follow strict protocol about the altitudes they can safely reach.www.dailymail.co.uk
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The sad part is when the House lobbied for increased flights most airlines like American Airlines and Alaska airlines didn't want increased traffic, I think only Delta wanted it. Tragic that one of the airlines that thought it was a bad idea ended up in the Hudson.
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There is just no way there should be an approved procedure with this little margin for error."Black Hawk helicopter's shocking aviation blunder
moments before crashing into plane in DC
is confirmed in new NTSB report.
View attachment 562745
The helicopter,
flown by 28-year-old Captain Rebecca M. Lobach on a routine training exercise, was flying at 300 feet,
but the maximum altitude permitted for choppers in the area is 200 feet.
The black box data recovered from the wreckage in the Potomac River
had indicated that this likely occurred,
but the National Transport Safety Board was waiting on the air traffic control data before they confirmed.
Radar data is rounded to the nearest 100 feet,
which means the helicopter was flying anywhere between
251 feet and 349 feet of elevation,
the NTSB said.
Meanwhile,
the passenger plane was at 325 feet at the time of the crash
and had been cleared to land."
Black Hawk helicopter's shocking aviation blunder before DC crash
Questions had been raised about how the collision - which killed all 67 people involved - occurred, given pilots follow strict protocol about the altitudes they can safely reach.
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Five air traffic controllers grilled over DC plane crash
The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) is continuing to probe Wednesday night's tragedy.
Seems like this is a very important step in investigating what happened. They are, after all, the eyes and the voices who oversee the airport’s operations.
Hopefully the answers will come quickly.
IMO
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