Debbie Bradley and Jeremy Irwin on Dr. Phil 3 February 2012

[~n/t~]

I thought it was Bill Stanton complete with a beard?

I thought BS also but he looks so different. Beard and looks like this guy is thinner. Maybe it is and when he says didn't believe them, he's referring to LE.

 

[Donjeta]

I thought BS also but he looks so different. Beard and looks like this guy is thinner. Maybe it is and when he says didn't believe them, he's referring to LE.

Or, "I didn't believe the parents at first but I'm completely convinced SODDI now"
The way it's cut to be a teaser it could be anything.

 

[~n/t~]

When children disappear attention always falls squarely on the shoulders of the family. This is because 82% of all abductions are family centric. Therefore, the family has to answer all questions, regardless of how tedious they seem, until law enforcement is convinced that they are innocent of wrongdoing. Only then will law enforcement be able to focus their full attention on the other possible scenarios. Those scenarios include: other family members; friends and neighbors; peripheral contacts; registered sex offenders; and finally the most ominous scenario of all – stranger abduction. If more than 300 police, search and rescue professionals and FBI agents are dedicating all of their time in the case of the missing infant, then the parents should stay on the hot seat until they are cleared of suspicion. To put their own needs ahead of baby Lisa’s recovery is pitiful and shortsighted.


1st bold: 82% is high enough so imo those here who do not believe the parents' version of events and think they are somehow involved have credibility. plus, to add to that:

2nd bold: as has been stated time and time again, marc klaas did everything police asked him to do... everything. no questions. no hesitation. if anyone knows how truly innocent parents would act, it's him.

so-- why are DB and JI not following his lead??? i don't think it's b/c "well, the police already think they're guilty and they need to be protected from them" or "their lawyer is advising them" or "they're scared"... :banghead:

http://theklaasact.blogspot.com/2011/10/strange-case-of-baby-lisa.html#!/2011/10/strange-case-of-baby-lisa.html

I have a lot of respect for Marc Klaas but in fairness, I believe these parents did whatever needed to be done immediately following the abduction including taking a polygraph (mom) and allowing LE to search their home.

What should I do if my child is missing?


1. Act immediately.

2. Search your home and check with relatives, neighbors, and friends to try and locate your child.

3. If you cannot find your child, immediately report your child missing to your local law-enforcement officers.

4. Limit access to your home until law-enforcement officers arrive and are able to collect evidence.

5. Give law-enforcement officers all the information they request about your child, and be sure to give them any information that could help in the search.

6. Request that your child's name and identifying information be immediately entered into the National Crime Information Center (NCIC) Missing Person File.

7. Call The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children at 1-800-THE-LOST® (1-800-843-5678) to find out what resources are available to you.

Taken from: The National Center for Missing & Exploited Children


After hours of interrogation and alleged accusations by LE finger pointing at DB, IMO they made the right decision by lawyering up. I would too.

The only difference is, I probably wouldn't stop looking for my child. I would be out there in the media every chance I got. However, I do realize that there are 2 other children who must be cared for and it's not always an easy task to devote 100% of your time, add to that the custody issues.

Physically searching is not recommended especially if they consider you a suspect.

 

[madge]

The two other kids are in school aren't they? That leave MORE than enough time for mommy to make an effort to do something to try to help locate their "missing" daughter.

The parents total lack of doing anything at all since October has made me the suspicious one that both of them are covering up what ever happened to Baby Lisa.

I'm with you, I'd NEVER sit still, I'd be at the police station every day, out putting up posters, getting on the LOCAL tv and radio.

I'm still of the belief that local peeps will crack this case.

Dr. Phil ain't gonna find your baby, the wise arse only wants the ratings. I'd never watch in a million years.

Why don't they do JVM or NG. NG has a HUGE following but I dont' see them agree to go on her show because she'd put some HARD questions out.

Dr Phil probably gave them pillows to rest thier butts on as well.

Sigh. Where is Baby Lisa?

I have not been coming here because it causes me great duress to know that baby is gone but the parents simply have moved on, done with it, don't ask us any questions they say.

 

[In da Middle]

well well well. Looks like ole Deb's been to the beauty parlor, all snazzied up. Still harboring the same flippant attitude though.

Cough up an interview with Law Enforcement why don't you!

Doctor Phi ain't gonna find your kid. Get your duff out of the beauty parlor and do something to find YOUR baby.

I knew it was just a matter of time before they ran out of media $ from trick or treating BS and I figured she'd pop up.

Most likely they'll get big $ out of this and some new shiny baubles, like the Anthony's.
They make me sick.

Yeah, they are so loaded now they get to afford to shop at Dollar General!

 

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[~n/t~]

The two other kids are in school aren't they? That leave MORE than enough time for mommy to make an effort to do something to try to help locate their "missing" daughter.

The parents total lack of doing anything at all since October has made me the suspicious one that both of them are covering up what ever happened to Baby Lisa.

I'm with you, I'd NEVER sit still, I'd be at the police station every day, out putting up posters, getting on the LOCAL tv and radio.

I'm still of the belief that local peeps will crack this case.

Dr. Phil ain't gonna find your baby, the wise arse only wants the ratings. I'd never watch in a million years.

Why don't they do JVM or NG. NG has a HUGE following but I dont' see them agree to go on her show because she'd put some HARD questions out.

Dr Phil probably gave them pillows to rest thier butts on as well.

Sigh. Where is Baby Lisa?

I have not been coming here because it causes me great duress to know that baby is gone but the parents simply have moved on, done with it, don't ask us any questions they say.

Then we'd have the Cummings fiasco. Not sure if you followed Haleigh's case but everytime she had Ron or Misty on there, I would cringe. Personally, I got so turned off by the drama that I stopped watching. After a while, it wasn't about Haleigh anymore. It was about Ron or Misty.

HLN is doing a lot of the coverage with Vinnie and Jim Spellman has been on a few times. Good enough, imo.

We don't need more drama in this case. We have enough of it. Dr. Phil will do a great job in getting exposure.....probably in a much more dignified and respectful way even with the hardball questions.

 

[madge]

Yeah, they are so loaded now they get to afford to shop at Dollar General!

They'll probably pop up in new vehicles pretty soon. Baubles=material things. Also, nothing wrong with Dollar General Stores, I shop there a lot since we're in a small town with one close by.

Deb strikes me as one who couldn't stop herself from splurging but I'm sure that JT has told them they have to lay low for a bit .. PR and all. Perhaps shopping at Dollar General could be a guise.

Time will tell

I'm personally just worried about Baby Lisa. The parents can go crawl in a cave as far as I'm concerned as they have never contributed one iota to trying to locate their daughter.

Whatever they get from Dr. Phil ..Baby Lisa is still missing and the parents don't really seemed concerned to even try to find her.

Play with your baubles because some day MAYBE they'll find her body.

 

[madge]

Dr. Phil will do a great job in getting exposure.....

What are Dr. Phil's ratings like? I've never sat through one of his shows. Isn't he the one who isn't not even a real Doctor.

 

[believe09]

lol, madge. That pretty much sums Dr Phil up right there. He is entertainment television, but he reaches a national audience which is never a bad thing, I think, in a missing person case.

 

[Donjeta]

According to Wikipedia he has a doctorate in Clinical psychology and he's referred to as " a former psychologist" having retired his license

 

[believe09]

According to Wikipedia he has a doctorate in Clinical psychology and he's referred to as " a former psychologist" having retired his license

IIRC, he was forced to retire it for sleeping with a patient. Not that it is important-

"McGraw isn’t currently licensed to practice psychology in his home of Texas, either, since he has yet to complete the conditions imposed as disciplinary sanctions by the Texas State Board of Examiners of Psychologists in 1989. A former therapy client had filed a complaint against him, claiming their relationship was inappropriate. McGraw later admitted giving her a job but denied touching her. Soon after he was officially reprimanded, McGraw closed his private practice."

ETA: here is a link to the case determination http://www.casewatch.org/board/psych/mcgraw.shtml

 

[Donjeta]

IIRC, he was forced to retire it for sleeping with a patient. Not that it is important-

"McGraw isn’t currently licensed to practice psychology in his home of Texas, either, since he has yet to complete the conditions imposed as disciplinary sanctions by the Texas State Board of Examiners of Psychologists in 1989. A former therapy client had filed a complaint against him, claiming their relationship was inappropriate. McGraw later admitted giving her a job but denied touching her. Soon after he was officially reprimanded, McGraw closed his private practice."

ETA: here is a link to the case determination http://www.casewatch.org/board/psych/mcgraw.shtml

Wikipedia has it differently. Well, what else is new lol. It could be his staff editing it

The Texas State Board of Examiners of Psychologists determined on October 21, 1988, that McGraw had hired a former patient for "part-time temporary employment".[13] Specifically the Board cited "a possible failure to provide proper separation between termination of therapy and the initiation of employment"[14] and issued a letter of reprimand and imposed administrative penalties.[15] The Board also investigated claims made by the patient of inappropriate contact initiated by McGraw, but the "Findings of Fact" document issued by the Board on October 21, 1988, at the end of its investigation, includes no reference to any physical contact of any kind. It specifically identified "the therapeutic and business relationships" as constituting McGraw's sole issue with the Board.[15] McGraw fulfilled all terms of the Board's requirements, and the Board closed its complaint file in June, 1990.[16]

In 1990, McGraw joined lawyer Gary Dobbs in co-founding Courtroom Sciences Inc. (CSI), a trial consulting firm through which McGraw later came into contact with Oprah Winfrey.[17] Eventually, CSI became a profitable enterprise, advising Fortune 500 companies and injured plaintiffs alike in achieving settlements. McGraw is no longer an officer or director of the company.[17]

After starting CSI, McGraw ceased the practice of psychology. He maintained his license current and in good standing until he elected to retire it 15 years later in 2006

 

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[believe09]

Wikipedia has it differently. Well, what else is new lol. It could be his staff editing it

I know-there was quite a stir and resurrection of the case around the Brittany Spears debacle. I know I have brought us off topic here, lol.

I think any media is good in a MP case, and I am sure as the day is long that Dr Phil is pure entertainment which works for me because he has an audience who may not be aware of this case.

 

[~n/t~]

Conflicting info regarding his practice......this one says

After going into private practice, Dr. Phil soon realized one-on-one therapy wasn't for him. He then launched a popular self-motivation seminar called Pathways. And in 1989, he built a company called Courtroom Sciences. The venture helped trial lawyers build cases using psychology by conducting mock trials, behavioral analysis, jury selection and mediation.

http://www.biography.com/people/dr-phil-mcgraw-9542524

Whatever the truth, the important thing is Lisa is getting exposure.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

Did anyone figure out who that guy on Dr. Phil is? I'm very curious because he says he didn't believe "them". Who is "them" and who is he and why is he on the Dr. Phil show? How is he connected to this case?

I thought it was Bill Stanton complete with a beard?

I think you're right Donjeta. I noticed the background on this shot matches the background in Dr Phil's shots. I guess that would mean BS was actually on set with Dr Phil, unlike D and J, who seem to appear on a screen ~ from some remote location. I wonder why this is?

 

[~n/t~]

A Phd automatically gives a doctor title, doesn't it whether one practices or not?

 

[vlpate]

IIRC, he was forced to retire it for sleeping with a patient. Not that it is important-

"McGraw isn’t currently licensed to practice psychology in his home of Texas, either, since he has yet to complete the conditions imposed as disciplinary sanctions by the Texas State Board of Examiners of Psychologists in 1989. A former therapy client had filed a complaint against him, claiming their relationship was inappropriate. McGraw later admitted giving her a job but denied touching her. Soon after he was officially reprimanded, McGraw closed his private practice."

ETA: here is a link to the case determination http://www.casewatch.org/board/psych/mcgraw.shtml

Would you have a link for the this? Specifically that he was forced to retire for sleeping with a patient? TIA!

From Casewatch:

"The Board subsequently determined that probable cause existed with regard to a possible failure to provide proper separation between termination of therapy and the initiation of employment.

 

[vlpate]

A Phd automatically gives a doctor title, doesn't it whether one practices or not?

Does it "matter"? (changed to yes). The PHD is earned, can't take that away because he doesn't have a practice.