Deborah Bradley & Jeremy Irwin - Dr. Phil Interview - 3 February 2012 #2

[Marshmallow]

BBM
I agree n/t. Until I see more evidence I'm on the fence.

I can never give a parent the benefit of the doubt when they put getting their drink on above being a parent and child goes missing from their house while they are either passed out drunk or snuggling up drunk with the other two children, or who knows what since her stories change. she had Lisa last, she was either drunk or not drunk according to her own changed stories, she either was sleeping while her daughter was stolen by an intruder who not only wanted a child but apparently needed phones too or she was conveniently passed out drunk (a regular normal activityfor her according to one of her stories) when some one broke in and stole only Lisa and 3 phones. And all this happened the first time her husband was not at home because hewas working that night...

how am I supposed to give her the beneift of the doubt? things like that, involving a stranger with amazing timing, just do not happen.

 

[jjenny]

I didn't watch the whole show, so did they show any most recent photos of the child? What good are the baby photos going to do except result in people calling in about babies resembling Lisa? This was a large child that was able to at the very least to stand up, and its even larger now (assuming of course she is still alive).

 

[CHERIE.T]

DB is now explaining how things work in the system. Joe T running interference on the poly test. This is good. Joe T using many many words to dazzle us with his BS.

:rocker: Whisperer you are on a roll.

bbm-imho

 

[natsound]

DB monologue:

"People don't understand just how difficult it is to wake up and realize that somebody has come to your house and taken your baby and then you are accused of doing something to her or covering something up or whatever insane theories they've come up with, and then I do all this media and be on the tv with the purpose, hoping and praying that somebody has seen her, has seen someone with her, it is literally impossible to remember every single detail and say it exactly the same every single time and there are so many hateful people or negative people who have picked all that apart, and I understand the looking at the mother thing because the world we live in today is not always a safe and happy place, there are a lot of crazy people, there are a lot of bad parents, and a lot of things happen, accidents happen, so I understand why they looked at me in the beginning, and I also understand with the drinking why some of the public had made accusations and drew that out and made scenarios with all that and I understand it, but it's time to come to a reasoning that enough is enough, that my daughter is missing, that she is okay somewhere because nobody kidnaps a ten month old, beautiful little girl to hurt her, she is out there somewhere and I am desperate to find her, I am clinging on to a shread of sanity right now, I just want her home. I want people to realize to take a step back and look, if I had done something I would be in jail right now, Joe doesn't save me from jail, it doesn't work that way."

"People don't understand just how difficult it is to (make up story in which I) wake up and realize that somebody has come to (my) house and taken (my) baby and then (I am) accused of doing something to her or covering something up or whatever insane theories they've come up with, and then I do all this media and be on the tv with the purpose, hoping and praying that somebody (will believe my story), has seen someone with (a baby who looks like) her, it is literally impossible to remember every single (lie) and say it exactly the same every single time and there are so many hateful people or negative people who have picked all that apart (I should have known that would happen), and I understand the looking at the mother thing because (I should be looked at), the world we live in today is not always a safe and happy place, there are a lot of crazy people (I'm one of them) , there are a lot of bad parents (like me), and a lot of things happen, accidents happen, so I understand why they looked at me in the beginning, and I also understand with the drinking why some of the public had made accusations and drew that out and made scenarios with all that and I understand it (because the truth is easy to understand), but it's time to come to a reasoning (please come to a reasoning, not the truth) that enough is enough, that my daughter is missing, that she is okay somewhere (in heaven) because nobody kidnaps a ten month old, beautiful little girl to hurt her, she is out there somewhere and I am desperate to (put this behind me), I am clinging on to a shread of sanity right now, I just want (this to be behind me). I want people to realize to take a step back and look, if I had done something I would be in jail right now (feels good to tell myself that), Joe doesn't save me from jail, it doesn't work that way."[/QUOTE]

 

[~n/t~]

I don't see why she couldn't have gone out through the door on the other side of the house without the neighbor seeing her. I'm sure she didn't sit there concentrated on making sure that DB doesn't move.

And I don't see why you need more than 3 1/2 hours to get rid of a body.

Without a trace? Where would she put her? The dog wouldn't just be hitting in that one spot in their bedroom, imo. What about DB's clothes? Bedding? Or anything else that may have been used to transport the dead child? Do you think she carried her? Put her in the trunk of the car? There were no other hits that I'm aware of.

Do some honestly believe she committed the perfect crime?

 

[natsound]

Why couldn't that happen? How do you know that there was only one target... the baby. How hard would it be to find the phones, stick them in your pocket and then find the baby?

Because if you were breaking and entering to steal phones, you steal phones and leave. If you were breaking and entering to steal a baby, you steal a baby and leave.

 

[octobermoon]

Why doesn't JI speak? Its like every word has to be......

 

[jjenny]

Why doesn't JI speak? Its like every word has to be......:?:

That actually was an improvement. Normally he just looks down. At least now he was kind of trying to look up.

 

[Sherbie]

As promised earlier, I checked the DVR again regarding the segment about the LDT. Here's that discussion, verbatim:

PM: Were you told you failed a LDT?

DB: I was told that.

PM: Do you know whether you did or not?

DB: But I have not seen the results. And my lawyer - they did not confirm it with my lawyer, and they did not show me the results.

JT: I spoke to them about that, Dr. Phil, and, of course, you know, they said, "Well, we never said she failed a polygraph test." Well, somebody did tell her that. I understand LE tactics. As a former LE official, I would oftentimes - and understand detectives are permitted to give misinformation to people during interviews for interrogation purposes.

I thought maybe, perhaps they thought if they told her that, she would crumple onto the floor and say, "Okay, fine, I did it." That didn't happen. She didn't fail a polygraph test, number one. Number two, you know, whether or not they did tell her that or they were authorized to, it was confirmed to me that, in fact, there was no failed polygraph by Deborah.

And again, that's just another one of those facts that was put out there and, unfortunately, bandied about for about a week, which gives people a misperception and also distracts, distracts from the real evidence in this case.

PM: So to be very clear, she did not fail a polygraph when they asked her, "Do you know what happened to your baby?" She did not fail that polygraph, although it's been reported that she was told she did?

JT: That is 100% accurate. She did not fail a polygraph, and I defy them to show us a failed polygraph. They told me she didn't.

 

[CHERIE.T]

DB monologue:

"People don't understand just how difficult it is to wake up and realize that somebody has come to your house and taken your baby and then you are accused of doing something to her or covering something up or whatever insane theories they've come up with, and then I do all this media and be on the tv with the purpose, hoping and praying that somebody has seen her, has seen someone with her, it is literally impossible to remember every single detail and say it exactly the same every single time and there are so many hateful people or negative people who have picked all that apart, and I understand the looking at the mother thing because the world we live in today is not always a safe and happy place, there are a lot of crazy people, there are a lot of bad parents, and a lot of things happen, accidents happen, so I understand why they looked at me in the beginning, and I also understand with the drinking why some of the public had made accusations and drew that out and made scenarios with all that and I understand it, but it's time to come to a reasoning that enough is enough, that my daughter is missing, that she is okay somewhere because nobody kidnaps a ten month old, beautiful little girl to hurt her, she is out there somewhere and I am desperate to find her, I am clinging on to a shread of sanity right now, I just want her home. I want people to realize to take a step back and look, if I had done something I would be in jail right now, Joe doesn't save me from jail, it doesn't work that way."

thank you for the transcription. DB's words befuddle me.
but it's time to come to a reasoning that enough is enough,
imho

 

[octobermoon]

:waitasec:

As promised earlier, I checked the DVR again regarding the segment about the LDT. Here's that discussion, verbatim:

PM: Were you told you failed a LDT?

DB: I was told that.

PM: Do you know whether you did or not?

DB: But I have not seen the results. And my lawyer - they did not confirm it with my lawyer, and they did not show me the results.

JT: I spoke to them about that, Dr. Phil, and, of course, you know, they said, "Well, we never said she failed a polygraph test." Well, somebody did tell her that. I understand LE tactics. As a former LE official, I would oftentimes - and understand detectives are permitted to give misinformation to people during interviews for interrogation purposes.

I thought maybe, perhaps they thought if they told her that, she would crumple onto the floor and say, "Okay, fine, I did it." That didn't happen. She didn't fail a polygraph test, number one. Number two, you know, whether or not they did tell her that or they were authorized to, it was confirmed to me that, in fact, there was no failed polygraph by Deborah.

And again, that's just another one of those facts that was put out there and, unfortunately, bandied about for about a week, which gives people a misperception and also distracts, distracts from the real evidence in this case.

PM: So to be very clear, she did not fail a polygraph when they asked her, "Do you know what happened to your baby?" She did not fail that polygraph, although it's been reported that she was told she did?

JT: That is 100% accurate. She did not fail a polygraph, and I defy them to show us a failed polygraph. They told me she didn't.

:waitasec::waitasec::waitasec:

 

[Valhall]

"A source close to the situation" and you would think they would have some REAL info then and not just tattoo info I would think. This is the only info they have?

This is a curious complaint.

First here is the entire piece of information relayed in the article from the source

Meanwhile, a source close to the situation reports that Debbie got a tattoo that she now regrets. It’s a black ribbon on her forearm with one side of the ribbon reading Justice and the other side reading Lisa. She now wears long sleeves to cover it up. According to the source Debbie’s next door neighbors and drinking buddies, the Brandos, paid for the tattoo. The source states the Irwins, including Jeremy, “are still looking for Lisa” (I don’t know what that means, I’ve not heard of any of them participating in searches, but maybe they are and I just haven’t heard)…but that Debbie is not and “she shows no interest”.

So why did you just intentionally portray what was shared from that source as ONLY containing information about a tattoo? That's clearly not the case, now is it?

Second, let's pretend that the information that was shared was, in fact, limited to the tattoo information. Are you saying that there is some minimum level of information a source must provide before anyone should share what was shared? Do I have to go by word count or letter count? And irrespective of which, what are those minimums?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Because if you were breaking and entering to steal phones, you steal phones and leave. If you were breaking and entering to steal a baby, you steal a baby and leave.

I see what your saying. It's most likely for someone to do one or the other. I'm saying it's not impossible for someone to do both. JMO.

 

[Whisperer]

Random question, but if DB's 3 phones were not working, why didn't JI call SB and tell her to tell DB that he'd be home late?

For those of you adamant that DB disposed of Lisa, when did she do so? SB & SB were outside her house until 11:30, JI was due home at 10:30 (IIRC, if not someone please correct me).

The first problem here is believing what DB/SB allegedly says. This SB has a toddler. My instincts tell me there was a lot going on that night. This new neighbor may have done more than just stand outside for a few hours. I suspect they went to SB's house. I have never bought they sat outside with a baby, toddler, and two young children to fend for themselves for four, five or six hours.

SB is backing up her friend.

That show was an interview with JOE T and the parents were simply accessories for him to spin the story. It wasn't even a show about finding Lisa. Heck they showed no recent pics. They should have been splattered all over the screen. Looks like the parents didn't take any pictures of her..or just two.

Anyone wonder why no pics w/Jeremy's family? NOT ONE! Was Lisa/DB a thorn in the family dynamics?

 

[Donjeta]

Without a trace? Where would she put her? The dog wouldn't just be hitting in that one spot in their bedroom, imo. What about DB's clothes? Bedding? Or anything else that may have been used to transport the dead child? Do you think she carried her? Put her in the trunk of the car? There were no other hits that I'm aware of.

Do some honestly believe she committed the perfect crime?

It could have been a perfect crime but she can't keep her story straight.

There could be any number of things that were used to transport the dead child. I have no earthly idea what things may have been missing from their house. The dogs wouldn't get any hits from that stuff if it was left where Lisa was.

 

[Whisperer]

"People don't understand just how difficult it is to (make up story in which I) wake up and realize that somebody has come to (my) house and taken (my) baby and then (I am) accused of doing something to her or covering something up or whatever insane theories they've come up with, and then I do all this media and be on the tv with the purpose, hoping and praying that somebody (will believe my story), has seen someone with (a baby who looks like) her, it is literally impossible to remember every single (lie) and say it exactly the same every single time and there are so many hateful people or negative people who have picked all that apart (I should have known that would happen), and I understand the looking at the mother thing because (I should be looked at), the world we live in today is not always a safe and happy place, there are a lot of crazy people (I'm one of them) , there are a lot of bad parents (like me), and a lot of things happen, accidents happen, so I understand why they looked at me in the beginning, and I also understand with the drinking why some of the public had made accusations and drew that out and made scenarios with all that and I understand it (because the truth is easy to understand), but it's time to come to a reasoning (please come to a reasoning, not the truth) that enough is enough, that my daughter is missing, that she is okay somewhere (in heaven) because nobody kidnaps a ten month old, beautiful little girl to hurt her, she is out there somewhere and I am desperate to (put this behind me), I am clinging on to a shread of sanity right now, I just want (this to be behind me). I want people to realize to take a step back and look, if I had done something I would be in jail right now (feels good to tell myself that), Joe doesn't save me from jail, it doesn't work that way."

[/QUOTE]

Peter Hyatt (and I) are going to have a blast with this interview. You guys are good, real good.

 

[iluvmua]

I see what your saying. It's most likely for someone to do one or the other. I'm saying it's not impossible for someone to do both. JMO.

they could do both but it would be risky imo

 

[Donjeta]

thank you for the transcription. DB's words befuddle me.
but it's time to come to a reasoning that enough is enough,
imho

It doesn't really make sense to me either. It's been so long that it's about time to realize that the only reasonable thing is that Lisa is okay.

 

[Sherbie]

DB monologue:

"People don't understand just how difficult it is to wake up and realize that somebody has come to your house and taken your baby and then you are accused of doing something to her or covering something up or whatever insane theories they've come up with, and then I do all this media and be on the tv with the purpose, hoping and praying that somebody has seen her, has seen someone with her, it is literally impossible to remember every single detail and say it exactly the same every single time and there are so many hateful people or negative people who have picked all that apart, and I understand the looking at the mother thing because the world we live in today is not always a safe and happy place, there are a lot of crazy people, there are a lot of bad parents, and a lot of things happen, accidents happen, so I understand why they looked at me in the beginning, and I also understand with the drinking why some of the public had made accusations and drew that out and made scenarios with all that and I understand it, but it's time to come to a reasoning that enough is enough, that my daughter is missing, that she is okay somewhere because nobody kidnaps a ten month old, beautiful little girl to hurt her, she is out there somewhere and I am desperate to find her, I am clinging on to a shread of sanity right now, I just want her home. I want people to realize to take a step back and look, if I had done something I would be in jail right now, Joe doesn't save me from jail, it doesn't work that way."

Thanks for transcribing that segment! "If I had done something, I would be in jail right now." That doesn't really compute because, obviously, somebody did something...but no one's in jail right now. By her reasoning, I guess no one has done anything for which they should be behind bars since no one is in jail. :waitasec:

 

[4Jacy]

I thought she was too drunk and then passed out to remember much. either she was bombed to the point of passing out or she wasn't.

And what about the GD kitten? Let's explore e.v.e.r.y.t.h.i.n.g !!!!