Defense What is their strategy? #1

[Tiki]

God Bless you Tiki. The death of a child is the worst to recover from, if one ever does. My mother, now deceased almost 1 1/2 yrs, buried 3 sons in her lifetime. One at the tender age of 5 who died from a head injury from falling off a bike, the second at the age of 26 from suicide, and the last at age 46 from another suicide which also involved him killing his wife (tangled love affair). I don't know how my mother, who lived to be 84 yrs old carried each of those heartaches everyday. I'm sure she got her will to carry on because of her faith and the children she still had yet to raise (me and my sister). I remember her having many sad and depressing days in my life. Her health wasn't that great either.

As I got older (teens), and not wanting to upset her with saddness, I got the courage to ask her how she got through all the heartache. She wasn't much for words (still too painful for her to talk about years later) and not a religious person, but she managed to say "I trust in the Lord. He will see me through". I accepted her response and just moved on. She died painlessly in her sleep (coma) on September 2, 2007 while holding my hand. It was at that moment, and leading up to her death (several years of alzheimers) that I realized the gravity of her statement, "Trust in the Lord, He will see you through". Yes, He did indeed. HE blessed her with no memories of the heartaches (alzheimers) and a peaceful death. As a witness to her life and to her pain, and finally her death, I now know that there are forces at work, for our good, that give us whatever it is that we need at time to get through. I silently look for it each and every day, as I'm sure you do too, because I long for her presence. I miss her. I just plain and simply miss her. One day at a time, my friend. One day at a time.

Thank you.
Your mother must have been a strong and courageous woman and you are, too.
Yes, one day at a time - or one minute at a time.
My mother suffers from my son's death as well.
She has 15 other grandchildren and 9 great-grandchildren. She kept a journal her entire adult life. She put it down on the day my son died and says she can no longer write her thoughts. We lost my father 8 months later. Fortunately she has my sisters to help her - she'll be 85 this year.

I ask for nothing but serenity and the strength to get out of bed in the morning - two kitties help with that. Next year I'm planning to move from NY state to San Francisco to be near my other son - he's all I have. If I'm lucky, I'll be blessed with a grandchild of my own.

I wish you the peace and solace that you seek.
I used to read this to my son. I smile when I read it now and think of him this way:

"In one of the stars I shall be living. In one of them I shall be laughing. And so it will be as if all the stars were laughing, when you look at the sky at night... " ~ The Little Prince
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[amethyst221]

The key reason I don't think this will be an insanity defense is because the defense attorneys have all said that Casey is "innocent" not "Not Guilty." An insanity defense would include the words "Not Guilty by reason of insanity." One of her attorneys has even gone so far as to say that Casey should "never have been arrested in the first place."

In addition Linda K. Baden has openly compared Casey to Sam Sheppard. In that case Sam Sheppard was convicted of murder due to circumstantial evidence, however, the truth was there was another person who was a more likely suspect.

There have been so many rumors in this case that have been taken as fact. I know it's very difficult to sort them out. Baez stated that Casey WAS grieving for Caylee when her body was found, but the jailhouse personnel have leaked rumors that she wasn't. Which is the truth? We really have no way of knowing.

It's true we don't know what all the evidence will be yet. Certainly the propaganda from the defense team, and all their proclamations of the defendant's "innocence," are not evidence. They'd like us to forget those moments when we've seen or heard her for ourselves, with no spin, like the night she was arrested "on a whim," merely for having misplaced her child. It was very upsetting to her that everyone only cared about finding Caylee.

 

[brownflower]

Perhaps JB will say that Casey's former "best friend" KioMarie was the one who kidnapped and killed Caylee. Afterall she wanted to adopt Caylee at one time and she also knew about the burial ground. JMO of what the defense is up to. Otherwise, why would they dipose her?

 

[ziggy]

Just curious but why wouldn't the defense "leak" information that points to KC's innocence if it exists? I mean he’s so worried about pollution of the jury pool, why wait until the trial to reveal the big story that will make everyone finally understand her innocence?

 

[brownflower]

Just curious but why wouldn't the defense "leak" information that points to KC's innocence if it exists? I mean he’s so worried about pollution of the jury pool, why wait until the trial to reveal the big story that will make everyone finally understand her innocence?

You make a very good point.

 

[flourish]

Not Ridiculous. I cried constantly for months and months after my 23-year-old son died in Jan. 2006. I still cry every day for him - some days I cry all day. I always will. I expect to be in therapy and on medication for the rest of my life in order to be able to stay alive for my other son - otherwise I be gone now as well. I understand how GA feels and, believe me, he hasn't gotten over it. It's a painful daily struggle. I can barely leave home after over 3 years.

What is ridiculous is to presume to know how someone else deals with the death of a child.

This is not to say I think KC is grieving unless for herself - G and CA, yes - they are trying to hold onto anything they can. . . what else can they do? You can't just make up your mind to get over it - that doesn't work. The depth and length of the greiving process is affected by the cirumstances surrounding it.
If interested, read more below.


From https://www.health.harvard.edu/fhg/updates/Complicated-grief.shtml

Complicated grief
Grief is an unavoidable and normal experience. But it can take intense forms that surprise a bereaved person, including forms that in other circumstances would be called a psychiatric disorder. In some cases, psychiatric treatment may help.

Bereaved persons may suffer not only sadness but anger and suspicions about the motives of people who offer support. They may ruminate obsessionally about the events leading up to the death and blame themselves or others for it. Up to 50% of widows and widowers have symptoms typical of major depression in the first few months. They may also have hallucinatory experiences.

These symptoms are usually normal responses to the loss. They call for comforting and sometimes explanation, but not treatment. But if the symptoms linger and become increasingly debilitating, the condition turns into what is now being called unresolved, protracted, traumatic, or complicated grief. It has features of both depression and post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). And there is some evidence that a distinct type of treatment may bring relief.

The most characteristic symptoms are intrusive thoughts and images of the deceased person and a painful yearning for his or her presence. Other complications are denial of the death, imagining that the dead person is alive, desperate loneliness and helplessness, anger and bitterness, and wanting to die..

I really appreciate your bravery and eloquence with this post. As a bereaved mother myself, I know how harrowing losing a child can be. My child was severely shaken by his biological father, and eventually died as a result of those injuries. The scrutiny I faced from LE and the child protection folks, while they sorted the whole thing out, was excruciating! I was young, scared, dealing with not only the fragile state of my son's life, but with the betrayal and shock that his father, my partner, had caused it all.

Denial is strong and can be easy to succumb to when faced with unbearable circumstances. Casey's parents and brother likely use denial as a coping strategy. Despite JB's adamant claims that Casey is specifically "innocent," and that we'll all be surprised and appeased by the "truth" that will come out, I'm guessing the defense will be more along the lines of an accident which Casey freaked out about and tried to deny until it was obviously too late and her well-oiled Lie Machine went full steam ahead. Just My Humble Opinion, of course, and subject to change.:bud:

 

[masyann]

Not Ridiculous. I cried constantly for months and months after my 23-year-old son died in Jan. 2006. I still cry every day for him - some days I cry all day. I always will. I expect to be in therapy and on medication for the rest of my life in order to be able to stay alive for my other son - otherwise I be gone now as well. I understand how GA feels and, believe me, he hasn't gotten over it. It's a painful daily struggle. I can barely leave home after over 3 years.

What is ridiculous is to presume to know how someone else deals with the death of a child.

This is not to say I think KC is grieving unless for herself - G and CA, yes - they are trying to hold onto anything they can. . . what else can they do? You can't just make up your mind to get over it - that doesn't work. The depth and length of the greiving process is affected by the cirumstances surrounding it.
If interested, read more below.


From https://www.health.harvard.edu/fhg/updates/Complicated-grief.shtml

Complicated grief
Grief is an unavoidable and normal experience. But it can take intense forms that surprise a bereaved person, including forms that in other circumstances would be called a psychiatric disorder. In some cases, psychiatric treatment may help.

Bereaved persons may suffer not only sadness but anger and suspicions about the motives of people who offer support. They may ruminate obsessionally about the events leading up to the death and blame themselves or others for it. Up to 50% of widows and widowers have symptoms typical of major depression in the first few months. They may also have hallucinatory experiences.

These symptoms are usually normal responses to the loss. They call for comforting and sometimes explanation, but not treatment. But if the symptoms linger and become increasingly debilitating, the condition turns into what is now being called unresolved, protracted, traumatic, or complicated grief. It has features of both depression and post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). And there is some evidence that a distinct type of treatment may bring relief.

The most characteristic symptoms are intrusive thoughts and images of the deceased person and a painful yearning for his or her presence. Other complications are denial of the death, imagining that the dead person is alive, desperate loneliness and helplessness, anger and bitterness, and wanting to die..

I am very sorry to here about your son. I too lost my son he was 16 and it was in 2000. 9 years ago. I think about him every day and if I want to cry every second of the day I will and to say it is ridiculous was not nice. So I had to reply I do not post very often.

Thank you for what you said. Everyone reacts differently. But like you said we in some way have to go on especially when you have other children. We go on whether we want to or not. Know one really knows how they will react untill god forbid it happens to them.

I am sorry am so OT. That reply just got to me.

Its late I am not making sence. know I can not even remember the thread I am reading so I can add a proper comment. Oh brother

 

[suspicious1]

Just curious but why wouldn't the defense "leak" information that points to KC's innocence if it exists? I mean he’s so worried about pollution of the jury pool, why wait until the trial to reveal the big story that will make everyone finally understand her innocence?

Absolutely!

 

[SoSueMe]

Just curious but why wouldn't the defense "leak" information that points to KC's innocence if it exists? I mean he’s so worried about pollution of the jury pool, why wait until the trial to reveal the big story that will make everyone finally understand her innocence?

I don't think they have a defense to prove her innocence, but rather a defense to create doubt in at least one juror (in their minds).

If they are going for the "Fugitive" defense as LKB stated, then I guess Zanny is the one-armed man. She was able to party because she trusted Zanny to take care of her daughter, blah, blah, blah.

JMO

 

[ZubenElSchemali]

They don't have the burden of having to prove who did it, only that Casey didn't. I think they have a strong case, with the evidence shown so far. The air samples only show their MAY have been a human decomposition event in the trunk. My research proved to me that it takes 90 days to get the "black" band of death and the lighter colored band shows up on live samples, not dead humans. So that will go no where. It likely came from Cindy since the live sample I read about was in his 50s, and had a lighter shade "death" band. The maggots will likely show feeding on the cheese and meat package remnants left in the garbage. I'm sure they have the test results from the little critters but are holding back that "bombshell".

There are no prints at all at the scene, so far, no matching sticker or backing, unless they are keeping that out of their reports and photos. X number of people jog or walk down that dead end street and X number of neighborhood children play on the school playground during the summer days. The spot is only 400' from the corner with regular traffic so she would have to have opportunity during the night hours. There are no night hours not accounted for or that place her there after dark through phone records or witness. The area had been cleared, prior, according to police records. The meter reader first says grey bag and white dome when it later became dome covered by black bag. Must depose him to get the answers there.

Police failed to follow up on all with the name ZG, including the one who was paying a ticket for failure to have a valid driver's license and disappeared of the face of the earth, in the middle of a kidnapping-murder investigation. No, Casey couldn't have been the one to make the one payment because she was under heavy guard and media cameras.

She couldn't safely report her daughter missing under threat of her life and that of her families. She was under employ by someone using the name universal, although not THE Universal. The email address was fake but LE didn't follow up on tracking the IP it came from. The other email addresses were not fake and those weren't tracked either. JMH was never found and questioned although he does exist. (In case anyone doubts the possibility of more than one JH or ZG, there are at least 25 people with the same first, middle and last name as my husband in the Sec. of State records with valid driver's licenses,) The phone number listed as ** on this date was really coming from ZGs phone, using a service that spoofs phone numbers. This person also hacked the myspace and deleted only the messages given relevant to this case, as shown by the missing block of dates in the comments.

She carefully followed orders during that month, working at fusion, etc. She managed to appear normal enough for the photos placed in evidence with the help of alcohol and weed, not being a big user, it didn't take much. She used the officers to gain access to Universal then suddenly stopped and told them the truth when she got to where she expected to see someone that should have had an office there but didn't. She now knew there were things she wasn't aware of. I wonder if this whole thing started because she was expected to pay for childcare and couldn't come up with enough money. The 2 food receipts totalling over $200 within 3 days for 3 people that should have had some supplies on hand already made me wonder if she bought items then took it back to get cash for the check.

Now, if the forensics show up to match the duct tape and bags to the lot and roll from the Anthony home, that will change the strategy but at this point, there isn't a very strong case at all. One thing I think will come up as important is her momma doll in the car, and the missing shoes. IF Casey killed her she surely would have put her doll with her. The only reason it would have been left behind is if someone took her forcefully, unless Caylee was comfortable leaving her doll. But didn't Cindy say she always took her with? If so, this would look suspicious sitting on the back seat for the next month. A mother anxiously waiting for the return of her daughter would leave everything just as her daughter left it, just as her room was left untouched.

Again, they don't have to prove who did it, that is LE's job. They only have to show she didn't. There is too much showing she had a loving relationship with her daughter for the SA to go with the story that she was jealous and resented her daughter, then killed her in a fit of rage. Even an accident isn't a strong plan since the dogs didn't hit on the home or the pool. What they hit on in the yard, even trunk could be blood from a normal accident that was decomposing. I've cut my finger doing lawn work and getting in and out of the trunk.

There has been signs of grief and missing her daughter, shown in TL's statement for one. All we have seen is the few minutes here and there on camera. There are 24 hours in a day. I tend to not show my emotion, when I can help in, in the middle of a conversation. I can't always control it when I am alone though.

 

[snow_walker]

Granted you were correct aquarian, that is the 'not guilty' defence...all that would show is that Casey is 'not guilty'.. it would not make her 'innocent' ..

There is a difference between the two ..the defense says it is going for the 'innocent' verdict.. which means more than arguing the forensic evidence, so what defense must they going with?

 

[ZubenElSchemali]

Granted you were correct aquarian, that is the 'not guilty' defence...all that would show is that Casey is 'not guilty'.. it would not make her 'innocent' ..

There is a difference between the two ..the defense says it is going for the 'innocent' verdict.. which means more than arguing the forensic evidence, so what defense must they going with?

Well, if there is no opportunity and no motive firmly established, isn't that innocent? In my opinion they are both the same result. But, they may be able to show the ZG on the ticket is the one or "Franck", perhaps. I do think she had been working, whether above or under the table, legal or illegal, remains to be seen. There is no way she stole enough to cover those humongous cell phone bills month after month. Then when you see her treating everyone to dinner out and filling TLs apartment with food....

 

[snow_walker]

There was indeed opportunity, and there was motive, but lets us leave the issues we disagree on for the moment.. try to find common ground where we can..


I am not so sure that she didn't steal enough to pay those bills, but still, I am rather inclined to agree with you, that she WAS working, legally or illegally.
Or had some source of income, perhaps from Caylees father (??) Could be, I just don't quite see this girl not having any source of income at all. Still I can't find any firm evidence of her having worked, apart from the nagging feeling there was too much money floating around her to be accounted for by the stolen credit cards and such like that we already know about.

It takes a surprising amount of money to be reasonably well dressed, to have enough for partying and socializing. To pay for gas and phones, and other incidental costs along the way. I have my own pet theory that she was involved in dealing stolen car parts, but I am pretty thin on evidence that she actually did so, so I won't seriously argue it with anyone.

To get back on topic.. I am truly puzzled at what the 'innocent' defence could be, if I were JB, I would stick with attacking the forensic evidence, which is always easy to do.. so many points one can dispute there.. the chain of evidence, the credentials of the expert witnesses, the "junk" science, each and every piece of evidence looked at seperately and out of context of the whole case..
If JB is wise he would restrict himself to such things, it is the only lifeline he has that I can think of.

 

[BeanE]

They don't have the burden of having to prove who did it, only that Casey didn't. I think they have a strong case, with the evidence shown so far. The air samples only show their MAY have been a human decomposition event in the trunk. My research proved to me that it takes 90 days to get the "black" band of death and the lighter colored band shows up on live samples, not dead humans. So that will go no where. It likely came from Cindy since the live sample I read about was in his 50s, and had a lighter shade "death" band. The maggots will likely show feeding on the cheese and meat package remnants left in the garbage. I'm sure they have the test results from the little critters but are holding back that "bombshell".

There are no prints at all at the scene, so far, no matching sticker or backing, unless they are keeping that out of their reports and photos. X number of people jog or walk down that dead end street and X number of neighborhood children play on the school playground during the summer days. The spot is only 400' from the corner with regular traffic so she would have to have opportunity during the night hours. There are no night hours not accounted for or that place her there after dark through phone records or witness. The area had been cleared, prior, according to police records. The meter reader first says grey bag and white dome when it later became dome covered by black bag. Must depose him to get the answers there.

Police failed to follow up on all with the name ZG, including the one who was paying a ticket for failure to have a valid driver's license and disappeared of the face of the earth, in the middle of a kidnapping-murder investigation. No, Casey couldn't have been the one to make the one payment because she was under heavy guard and media cameras.

She couldn't safely report her daughter missing under threat of her life and that of her families. She was under employ by someone using the name universal, although not THE Universal. The email address was fake but LE didn't follow up on tracking the IP it came from. The other email addresses were not fake and those weren't tracked either. JMH was never found and questioned although he does exist. (In case anyone doubts the possibility of more than one JH or ZG, there are at least 25 people with the same first, middle and last name as my husband in the Sec. of State records with valid driver's licenses,) The phone number listed as ** on this date was really coming from ZGs phone, using a service that spoofs phone numbers. This person also hacked the myspace and deleted only the messages given relevant to this case, as shown by the missing block of dates in the comments.

She carefully followed orders during that month, working at fusion, etc. She managed to appear normal enough for the photos placed in evidence with the help of alcohol and weed, not being a big user, it didn't take much. She used the officers to gain access to Universal then suddenly stopped and told them the truth when she got to where she expected to see someone that should have had an office there but didn't. She now knew there were things she wasn't aware of. I wonder if this whole thing started because she was expected to pay for childcare and couldn't come up with enough money. The 2 food receipts totalling over $200 within 3 days for 3 people that should have had some supplies on hand already made me wonder if she bought items then took it back to get cash for the check.

Now, if the forensics show up to match the duct tape and bags to the lot and roll from the Anthony home, that will change the strategy but at this point, there isn't a very strong case at all. One thing I think will come up as important is her momma doll in the car, and the missing shoes. IF Casey killed her she surely would have put her doll with her. The only reason it would have been left behind is if someone took her forcefully, unless Caylee was comfortable leaving her doll. But didn't Cindy say she always took her with? If so, this would look suspicious sitting on the back seat for the next month. A mother anxiously waiting for the return of her daughter would leave everything just as her daughter left it, just as her room was left untouched.

Again, they don't have to prove who did it, that is LE's job. They only have to show she didn't. There is too much showing she had a loving relationship with her daughter for the SA to go with the story that she was jealous and resented her daughter, then killed her in a fit of rage. Even an accident isn't a strong plan since the dogs didn't hit on the home or the pool. What they hit on in the yard, even trunk could be blood from a normal accident that was decomposing. I've cut my finger doing lawn work and getting in and out of the trunk.

There has been signs of grief and missing her daughter, shown in TL's statement for one. All we have seen is the few minutes here and there on camera. There are 24 hours in a day. I tend to not show my emotion, when I can help in, in the middle of a conversation. I can't always control it when I am alone though.

Do you have any supporting links for any of this, for example, for the call you state came from ZG's phone?

 

[angeleleven]

God Bless you Tiki. The death of a child is the worst to recover from, if one ever does. My mother, now deceased almost 1 1/2 yrs, buried 3 sons in her lifetime. One at the tender age of 5 who died from a head injury from falling off a bike, the second at the age of 26 from suicide, and the last at age 46 from another suicide which also involved him killing his wife (tangled love affair). I don't know how my mother, who lived to be 84 yrs old carried each of those heartaches everyday. I'm sure she got her will to carry on because of her faith and the children she still had yet to raise (me and my sister). I remember her having many sad and depressing days in my life. Her health wasn't that great either.

As I got older (teens), and not wanting to upset her with saddness, I got the courage to ask her how she got through all the heartache. She wasn't much for words (still too painful for her to talk about years later) and not a religious person, but she managed to say "I trust in the Lord. He will see me through". I accepted her response and just moved on. She died painlessly in her sleep (coma) on September 2, 2007 while holding my hand. It was at that moment, and leading up to her death (several years of alzheimers) that I realized the gravity of her statement, "Trust in the Lord, He will see you through". Yes, He did indeed. HE blessed her with no memories of the heartaches (alzheimers) and a peaceful death. As a witness to her life and to her pain, and finally her death, I now know that there are forces at work, for our good, that give us whatever it is that we need at time to get through. I silently look for it each and every day, as I'm sure you do too, because I long for her presence. I miss her. I just plain and simply miss her. One day at a time, my friend. One day at a time.

Thank you for sharing that story. Your mother was an amazing woman...so strong. This really touched me in many ways.

 

[Spangle]

I think that you have missed my point. My point was that it's unrealistic of us to expect to see Casey or any other mother constantly crying two months after her child was found dead. It's ridiculous.

I agree. And I understood what you where saying.

The person who talked about grieving for a year.. was the person still laying in bed, to overwhelmed to move??

I doubt it. They were still grieving, but trying to get on with their life. Going through the motions. That doesn't mean they are 'over it.' They are still very much are grieving, but going through the motions of living. Some times even "faking it."

The intense grieving of a person can not last. And it should not. If it does, close family members and friends help the person by trying to get them back involved with life. Dragging them out of the house, if need be. Intense grieving for over a month is seen as a sickness that needs help. Understandable at first.. worrisome if it continues.

If folks are still intensely grieving months after the death (and knowledge of it), then they need some serious help.

 

[Baxter]

They don't have the burden of having to prove who did it, only that Casey didn't. I think they have a strong case, with the evidence shown so far. The air samples only show their MAY have been a human decomposition event in the trunk. My research proved to me that it takes 90 days to get the "black" band of death and the lighter colored band shows up on live samples, not dead humans. So that will go no where. It likely came from Cindy since the live sample I read about was in his 50s, and had a lighter shade "death" band. The maggots will likely show feeding on the cheese and meat package remnants left in the garbage. I'm sure they have the test results from the little critters but are holding back that "bombshell".

There are no prints at all at the scene, so far, no matching sticker or backing, unless they are keeping that out of their reports and photos. X number of people jog or walk down that dead end street and X number of neighborhood children play on the school playground during the summer days. The spot is only 400' from the corner with regular traffic so she would have to have opportunity during the night hours. There are no night hours not accounted for or that place her there after dark through phone records or witness. The area had been cleared, prior, according to police records. The meter reader first says grey bag and white dome when it later became dome covered by black bag. Must depose him to get the answers there.

Police failed to follow up on all with the name ZG, including the one who was paying a ticket for failure to have a valid driver's license and disappeared of the face of the earth, in the middle of a kidnapping-murder investigation. No, Casey couldn't have been the one to make the one payment because she was under heavy guard and media cameras.

She couldn't safely report her daughter missing under threat of her life and that of her families. She was under employ by someone using the name universal, although not THE Universal. The email address was fake but LE didn't follow up on tracking the IP it came from. The other email addresses were not fake and those weren't tracked either. JMH was never found and questioned although he does exist. (In case anyone doubts the possibility of more than one JH or ZG, there are at least 25 people with the same first, middle and last name as my husband in the Sec. of State records with valid driver's licenses,) The phone number listed as ** on this date was really coming from ZGs phone, using a service that spoofs phone numbers. This person also hacked the myspace and deleted only the messages given relevant to this case, as shown by the missing block of dates in the comments.

She carefully followed orders during that month, working at fusion, etc. She managed to appear normal enough for the photos placed in evidence with the help of alcohol and weed, not being a big user, it didn't take much. She used the officers to gain access to Universal then suddenly stopped and told them the truth when she got to where she expected to see someone that should have had an office there but didn't. She now knew there were things she wasn't aware of. I wonder if this whole thing started because she was expected to pay for childcare and couldn't come up with enough money. The 2 food receipts totalling over $200 within 3 days for 3 people that should have had some supplies on hand already made me wonder if she bought items then took it back to get cash for the check.

Now, if the forensics show up to match the duct tape and bags to the lot and roll from the Anthony home, that will change the strategy but at this point, there isn't a very strong case at all. One thing I think will come up as important is her momma doll in the car, and the missing shoes. IF Casey killed her she surely would have put her doll with her. The only reason it would have been left behind is if someone took her forcefully, unless Caylee was comfortable leaving her doll. But didn't Cindy say she always took her with? If so, this would look suspicious sitting on the back seat for the next month. A mother anxiously waiting for the return of her daughter would leave everything just as her daughter left it, just as her room was left untouched.

Again, they don't have to prove who did it, that is LE's job. They only have to show she didn't. There is too much showing she had a loving relationship with her daughter for the SA to go with the story that she was jealous and resented her daughter, then killed her in a fit of rage. Even an accident isn't a strong plan since the dogs didn't hit on the home or the pool. What they hit on in the yard, even trunk could be blood from a normal accident that was decomposing. I've cut my finger doing lawn work and getting in and out of the trunk.

There has been signs of grief and missing her daughter, shown in TL's statement for one. All we have seen is the few minutes here and there on camera. There are 24 hours in a day. I tend to not show my emotion, when I can help in, in the middle of a conversation. I can't always control it when I am alone though.

My bold. How do you know this?

 

[amethyst221]

There is no such thing as an "innocence" defense. Casey A is charged with murder and has said she is not guilty and has claimed that her nanny kidnapped and apparently killed her daughter. The defense lawyers like to go on television, or even into hearings, and state their beliefs or opinions that their client is "innocent." It's designed to make potential jurors start thinking that they must know something we don't, blah blah, to get people to start seeing her as an innocent victim in all this, to try to counteract all the factual information available that doesn't put their client in such a good light, and to make people forget that CAYLEE is the victim. Their opinions aren't evidence of anything, but are at this point just posturing and propaganda.

 

[Baxter]

Do you have any supporting links for any of this, for example, for the call you state came from ZG's phone?

I know you did not ask me but this is what I found out about spoofing phone numbers.

http://www.spoofem.net/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=55

 

[yolorado]

Perhaps JB will say that Casey's former "best friend" KioMarie was the one who kidnapped and killed Caylee. Afterall she wanted to adopt Caylee at one time and she also knew about the burial ground. JMO of what the defense is up to. Otherwise, why would they dipose her?

But how would that explain KC's leaving Caylee with Zani at the Sawgrass at a vacant apartment while she went to work at a job she didn't have and not reporting her missing for 31 days after she returned to the Sawgrass after a hard day of...whatever... and finding both Zani and Caylee gone? How would that explain Casey getting a call from little Caylee talking about books and shoes just the day her mom called the police or why there isn't any record of that call?