Details Emerge: Casey/Cindy Fight - Part 2

[OneLostGrl]

It's called crazy-making. When Cindy is passive, she's pretending to not know why someone else would be angry, but knowing full well. It also goes by another name: Passive AGGRESSIVE behavior. Cindy is not easily walked over. Cindy pinches hard, then pretends she doesn't know how someone else's arm got caught in her fingers. Cindy manipulates to enable, then denies her part when someone fails. Cindy offers gifts, then snatches them away. Cindy is no rug. Cindy is more like a bear trap.

:clap::clap::clap:

She doesn't need to raise her voice, her words cut as deep as any razor blade. The biggest difference is that the flesh wound heals quicker.

 

[OneLostGrl]

you guys we are all over the place on this thread. It really makes it difficult to retrieve information during the trial. When we come back here to find out what we deduced about the fight, it will be frustrating because there are so many topics going on.
thanks

Sorry! :blowkiss:

 

[MAMABEAR]

I know and am so sorry!

 

[debs]

:clap::clap::clap:

She doesn't need to raise her voice, her words cut as deep as any razor blade. The biggest difference is that the flesh wound heals quicker.

To attempt to get it all to tie into the topic of the thread........

When Cindy was asked about the fight, she said "It never happened." Yet we know that in NORMAL homes, fights happen. Fights don't have to represent horrible things. Fights can be about working through to
a homogeneous existence where all parties understand and respect the boundaries of each other. But the snotty answer is "It never happened, let him ask it and look like an on the thing." (close enough)

That is why I refer to it as Cindy's truth. There is only one way Cindy wants everyone to view her and her family and that is with the very strict parameters she will allow. Even in this deposition, it will be by Cindy's rules. So this fight and its description is going to be innocuous, a non-event. It will have never happened and Casey is a liar if she said it did, Lee must be confused about what Casey said, Mark F. made it up because she never had that conversation with him, etc etc etc.

There is no fight. There is Cindy's truth.

 

[cyberborg]

Also in Annie's interview, when she recounted the fight when Casey was home on bail and caught Cindy using her email, didn't Annie say that Casey was screaming at the top of her lungs, and Cindy said nothing?

Thanks for this. KC does seem to have a demon temper, you can easily imagine that if she gets so inflamed with CA that as this escalated in early June that finally Caylee paid the toll for KC's temper.

Maybe it wasn't an accident but it wasn't intentional murder either, I can see KC losing it and doing to Caylee what she so desperately wanted to do to CA -- only Caylee was only 2 years -- so KC went over the edge and killed her out of spite over CA.

 

[justthinkin]

I can only imagine and mentioned in another thread... I believe that Cindy threatened for the last time to obtain custody of Caylee and throw KC's butt out the door. I think (my opinion only) that KC replied in kind telling her mother she'd rather see her daughter dead than Cindy get custody. Thus the choking of KC.

And more than a month later, Cindy spewed out the dead body in the car on 911. She knew her daughter followed through, she knew. Right after the regrettable 911 statement, CA, GA & LA sprung into action that has lead to massive cover up.

my 2cents only people...

Little late here, but ITA with your assessment, PattyCake. That's why George could just go onto work, and leave Cindy to clean the car.

They knew KC did it, when they got the car back. That's also why Cindy didn't call LE to report both Casey & Caylee as missing.

The thinking was: car smells, KC really did something to Caylee. Gotta go find her as soon as I clean up whatever evidence is here. MOO, but it does make a lot of sense. LOL

 

[LancelotLink]

Cindy's worst nightmare would be for Casey to tell the truth. Casey's problem is that she's unreliable. Cindy can't take the risk that she's gotten psychiatric help while in jail in order to confront her mother with her crazymaking ways to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth. It would, in fact, destroy her family.

I said this long ago: Think of the Anthony family as a mobile, with each person playing their part to keep the mobile in motion. When one drops off, the others have to work extra hard to keep the same motion going. When they finally wear themselves out trying to take up the slack of that person, they will pretend that person was never there at all.

The more Cindy can spin her story about how Casey was this great mother, the more she will feel she is able to be so totally devastated when the State finds her guilty of murder. Casey could sit on the stand and tell the whole truth and Cindy will attempt to make her out to be a liar. Because in Cindy's world, there is only Cindy's truth.

Might explain why they're sucking up to her so rigorously.

 

[Kathy1964]

Does anyone remember a text with Casey saying she needed a place to stay that the "rents" were being horrid, or something like that?

It was something like...............haven't been home in a week..lots of DRAAAAAAAAAAAMA. Tell you about it later.......

I can't remember who she was texting.

 

[JBean]

you guys we are all over the place on this thread. It really makes it difficult to retrieve information during the trial. When we come back here to find out what we deduced about the fight, it will be frustrating because there are so many topics going on.
thanks

helloooo

topic is "the fight"

 

[LancelotLink]

It was something like...............haven't been home in a week..lots of DRAAAAAAAAAAAMA. Tell you about it later.......

I can't remember who she was texting.

Thanks. Was that the one that said rents? That was the first time I had seen that term in texting and I remember it because of he neighbor's account of the yelling. She was saying she needed a place to stay, rents were being unreasonable....I thought it may have been Lee. I wish I had saved it.

 

[LancelotLink]

Little late here, but ITA with your assessment, PattyCake. That's why George could just go onto work, and leave Cindy to clean the car.

They knew KC did it, when they got the car back. That's also why Cindy didn't call LE to report both Casey & Caylee as missing.

The thinking was: car smells, KC really did something to Caylee. Gotta go find her as soon as I clean up whatever evidence is here. MOO, but it does make a lot of sense. LOL

Wow. Well done!

 

[ibyoungr]

No worries. It didn't happen that way. Just a thought that went thru my head and straight to my fangers. There isn't any proof that points to that direction. Lets call it a "brain fart" and get back in topic. LOL Sorry. Sometimes my brain wonders to the left then to the right.

The "knockin teeth down throat". That is more like a figure of speech. Back in the olden days there was lots of them. "rip off your arm and beat you with it"---"pull your head off and spit down your throat"----"Chain you azz to the closet floor"---heard stuff like that all my life but none of it ever happened. Bio-daughter used to tell her kids that I beat oldest son so bad that blood ran down his legs and went into his shoes and when he walked, you could hear squishing. Never did that tho.

Mama.. we love you... LOL

 

[Searchfortruth]

Well, I was going to ask, I wonder if LE ever found out exactly who told the male co-worker of Cindy's that there was a fight, before Casey took Caylee and left ? This could be important, because as it stands the A's aren't telling the truth and I think these are the only people who know about any fight...the neighbor's don't have it pinpointed to an actual date do they ?

 

[ibyoungr]

It's called crazy-making. When Cindy is passive, she's pretending to not know why someone else would be angry, but knowing full well. It also goes by another name: Passive AGGRESSIVE behavior. Cindy is not easily walked over. Cindy pinches hard, then pretends she doesn't know how someone else's arm got caught in her fingers. Cindy manipulates to enable, then denies her part when someone fails. Cindy offers gifts, then snatches them away. Cindy is no rug. Cindy is more like a bear trap.

I will agree with that!! Very good point!!
She stoked Casey and then stepped back.

But the part about being a rug... she evidently did not call Casey on her lies, discipline her and follow through as a parent should.

My reasoning comes from when Casey states "this should have been done a long time ago" speaks volumes to me.

This sounds like a person acting out and saying what do I have to do before you really are going to punish me and follow through with your threats?

It appears that Casey can not even kill her child and get her parents to be mad at her for it.

I am with Devon and BJB thinking the big fight happened the 7th or 8th..

 

[Dr. Know?]

IBY, now I have to read back again...Thanks for the post.

 

[debs]

I will agree with that!! Very good point!!
She stoked Casey and then stepped back.

But the part about being a rug... she evidently did not call Casey on her lies, discipline her and follow through as a parent should.

My reasoning comes from when Casey states "this should have been done a long time ago" speaks volumes to me.

This sounds like a person acting out and saying what do I have to do before you really are going to punish me and follow through with your threats?

It appears that Casey can not even kill her child and get her parents to be mad at her for it.

I am with Devon and BJB thinking the big fight happened the 7th or 8th..

I agree. And I further believe that is why the 9th seems so ingrained in their collective heads early on.

 

[lauriej]

Does anyone remember a text with Casey saying she needed a place to stay that the "rents" were being horrid, or something like that?

i had thought i saw something in here :

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5104115/Casey-Anthony-and-Amy-Huizenga-Text-messages

but couldn't find it, perhaps it was in another KC/AH exchange.

..what did strike me as strange though, on pg. 32 of these text messages between KC and AH, at 6:16 a.m on june 13th, she tells AH that she and her mom have taken GA to hospital, a possible stroke. (??)

..again, pg. 35, at 1:19 a.m. july 1st , she tells AH "sorry, i was talking to my crazy mother". ( she talked to / texted CA july 1 ?)

..i apologize if these particular KC/AH text messages have been gone through previously, as i'm sure they have------i just found it appalling that between april 24---july 1, that she mentioned her "job" numerous times, her "party life" numerous times------------and caylee---once.

 

[reeseeva]

I will agree with that!! Very good point!!
She stoked Casey and then stepped back.

But the part about being a rug... she evidently did not call Casey on her lies, discipline her and follow through as a parent should.

My reasoning comes from when Casey states "this should have been done a long time ago" speaks volumes to me.
This sounds like a person acting out and saying what do I have to do before you really are going to punish me and follow through with your threats?

It appears that Casey can not even kill her child and get her parents to be mad at her for it.
I am with Devon and BJB thinking the big fight happened the 7th or 8th..

Bold mine. Wow, I couldn't have articulated these thoughts any better, Ibyoungr. For me , this is it in a nutshell!:clap::clap:

 

[Duckley]

Cindy's worst nightmare would be for Casey to tell the truth. Casey's problem is that she's unreliable. Cindy can't take the risk that she's gotten psychiatric help while in jail in order to confront her mother with her crazymaking ways to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth. It would, in fact, destroy her family.

I said this long ago: Think of the Anthony family as a mobile, with each person playing their part to keep the mobile in motion. When one drops off, the others have to work extra hard to keep the same motion going. When they finally wear themselves out trying to take up the slack of that person, they will pretend that person was never there at all.

The more Cindy can spin her story about how Casey was this great mother, the more she will feel she is able to be so totally devastated when the State finds her guilty of murder. Casey could sit on the stand and tell the whole truth and Cindy will attempt to make her out to be a liar. Because in Cindy's world, there is only Cindy's truth.

Debs - are you a FT? I remember when studying family systems theory the mobile analogy was used. You are so right. All families strive for balance (homoeostasis) - they will work hard to regain balance (however dysfunctional)!

 

[SuziQ]

This first week of June was a busy week of activity for Ms. Anthony. She is partying hard at the clubs with her new forming relationship with TL. But she still manages to fit in time with the outgoing "friends w/ benefits" relationship with RM on the "off nights" from TL. Sat the 7th CA & GA state that they went to the beach. She arrives at 11pm at RM with Caylee.

I'm seeing a potential blowout at the home on the 8th. CA has had Caylee most of the preceding week as she was on vacation. KC chose to spend alot of her time between boyfriends and clubs. Me thinks CA would have had about enough by Sunday the 8th. Potentially, to be one of the arguments witnessed by the neighbor.

Coincidentially, KC states she will need to be out of town on business for Universal from the 9th to the 12th. She plans on staying at RM's Monday the 9th and plans to "hang" with them - Caylee included. Also worthy of note, RM goes to Tampa on the 12. She may have weeded his life plans into being her own plans that she conveys to others.

I'm a bit confused. Are you talking June here? Because phone pings show Casey was at the Anthony home everynight until Friday when she went to Fusion and then TonE's till about 4am when she goes home.