Dina's Media Campaign

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I do not know Mary personally, nor do I know Dina, so I can only base my opinion on what I have seen of them publicly and their quotes in the media. Based on these factors, I have tremendous respect for the way Mary has handled this horrific situation in the media. Her dignity and restraint has been truly inspiring.

I second that!

CG - I honestly and truly do not know where you are coming from on this one. :waitasec:

 

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Yes, I think it's possible to have sympathy for the loved ones of both victims. I will admit my sympathy for DS has been severely tested over time due to her treatment of the Zahau family and her documented history of domestic altercations. And I find it particularly difficult to muster sympathy for NR as a result of the interview in which she showed greater concern for lost yoga pants than for the loss of a human life. But I do believe losing a child is the greatest pain a person can possibly experience and in that sense I have a great deal of sympathy for DS, JS and Rebecca's parents.

I do not believe DS suspected Max was endangered in his home environment at Spreckels. According to NR, while Max was at Spreckels, DS felt comfortable enough to wear earplugs and retreat to a remote area of her home where she would not be disturbed by phone calls or the doorbell for several hours, regardless of circumstances. IMO, that suggests DS was confident Max was being cared for adequately at that time.

I also understand why anger would be directed at a caregiver in a situation in which a child is gravely injured. I think it's a natural response, in fact. And I think it's reasonable to expect caregivers to do what they can to minimize risk in a child's environment. But no amount of vigilance can prevent 100% of accidents. Additionally, most six year old children enjoy brief periods of unsupervised play and the expectation is not to have eyes directly on them at all times. That is not to say it would not be irresponsible to allow a child to play with a scooter at the top of a staircase, if a caregiver was aware of that behavior.

Oftentimes, accidents occur as a result of multiple risk factors coming together unexpectedly. One thing that perplexes me is that, in this case, while several factors may have conspired to create this tragic event, some of the most obvious are being ignored. For instance, the banister railing is reportedly too low. Why is that being ignored? If Max fell over the banister, is an inadequate banister height not as significant as the fact that he was unsupervised when he fell over the banister?

All of the above is just my opinion.

Good post and it reflects about how I see things.

I wondered about the banister railing height too. Dina lived in that house for many Summers and retreats to Coronado. Same with Jonah. I would be concerned even with so much of the stair case and landings open even if they were up to safety standards, let alone a banister on 26" high.

 

[freespeech]

The point of Dina's media campaign is to draw attention to the idea that Rebecca assaulted and killed Max. The things that make Dina suspicious are as follows:

1) Rebecca reportedly stated that Max said 'Ocean' before loosing consciousness.

2) Nina purported that Rebecca stated that Max fell from the bedroom.

3) Dina does not believe Max's facial and back injuries resulted from his fall.

4) Dina purported that Dr. Peterson believed Max may have been suffocated prior to his fall.

5) Dina believes that Rebecca lied about doing CPR because the EMT report stated that no CPR was done.

6) Dina believes that Rebecca was in terrific physical shape.

7) Dina purported that Rebeca knew jiu-jitsu and performed it inappropriately on a person.

8) Dina believes that Rebecca is impulsive because she was arrested and charged with shoplifting $1,000.00 worth of jewlery at Macy's.

9) Dina believes that Rebecca is dishonest because she used her maiden name of Zahau instead of her married name Nalepa.

10) Dina believes that Rebecca was controlled Jonah's children's diets.

11) Dina believes that Rebecca had poor boundries because she puportedly took a picture of Max while he was crying.

There may be complaints that Dina had against Rebecca that I missed. I can't think of anymore at this time. I am wondering though why Dina did not obtain any proof of her allegations before accusing Rebecca of assaulting Max. That would have strengthed Dina's media campaign and made her look more responsible. However, because she did not provide proof of her allegations she looks to me to have questionable and self serving motives.

None of Dina's accusations against Rebecca scream out that Rebecca was capable of assaulting a killing a child a least to me. There also does not seem to be much supporting evidence for her claims from Jonah or people in the community. Any one else have a take on this?

 

[freespeech]

I think you are forgetting that many people are following Rebecca's case. In that case, most have a great deal of sympathy for Rebecca because they believe she was murdered savagely. I do not think it is a contest between who is getting the most sympathy, it depends on which case you are following. However, I think a good percentage of those watching Dina overtime, even if they have sympathy for her because her child died, have real questions about what she is doing and her own background.

I also think that many people may believe that Max was the victim of a tragic accident that involved his scooter. Any formal reinvestigation that would be done in his case should include a thorough investigation of how and why he came to have the scooter and was allowed to play with it indoors. If one of Max's parents gave him the scooter and allowed it to be used indoors then I do not see how Rebecca could be held accountable for the accident.

Though Max's accident was tragic there are elements to the incident that suggest the parents may have been negligent. Even if you factor out the scooter which I do not believe is possible then you have to look at why Dina failed to protect Max from someone she believed was dangerous.

Also, I wonder whether Dina encouraged Kimberly's children to be disrespectful to Rebecca. I believed that Dina bragged about how well she got along with them. I can see that happening if she indulged them and didn't set any limits. To further this horrendous situation from Rebecca's POV Jonah did not stick up for her either. So if you you look at the entire picture, from Rebecca's POV, realistically then how could have anyone expected Rebecca to effectively supervise a houseful of kids who did not respect her and who also knew their parents did not respect her.

I would say the parents were negligent to confer responsibility for their children to a person that they had stripped of the power to assert any effective control over the behavior that went on in the household. With so little respect for poor Rebecca is it any wonder she not only ended up murdered and defiled but continues to be disrespected and defiled in death and without any apparent consequences for the perpetrators. What lesons are been taught to the surviving children?

 

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I also think that many people may believe that Max was the victim of a tragic accident that involved his scooter. Any formal reinvestigation that would be done in his case should include a thorough investigation of how and why he came to have the scooter and was allowed to play with it indoors. If one of Max's parents gave him the scooter and allowed it to be used indoors then I do not see how Rebecca could be held accountable for the accident.

Though Max's accident was tragic there are elements to the incident that suggest the parents may have been negligent. Even if you factor out the scooter which I do not believe is possible then you have to look at why Dina failed to protect Max from someone she believed was dangerous.

Also, I wonder whether Dina encouraged Kimberly's children to be disrespectful to Rebecca. I believed that Dina bragged about how well she got along with them. I can see that happening if she indulged them and didn't set any limits. To further this horrendous situation from Rebecca's POV Jonah did not stick up for her either. So if you you look at the entire picture, from Rebecca's POV, realistically then how could have anyone expected Rebecca to effectively supervise a houseful of kids who did not respect her and who also knew their parents did not respect her.

I would say the parents were negligent to confer responsibility for their children to a person that they had stripped of the power to assert any effective control over the behavior that went on in the household. With so little respect for poor Rebecca is it any wonder she not only ended up murdered and defiled but continues to be disrespected and defiled in death and without any apparent consequences for the perpetrators. What lesons are been taught to the surviving children?

Sadly ironic, isn't it? Especially in light of the new nonprofit.

I'm not sure how far Dina's claims of being close to the teenagers goes given that she now seems to have no contact. Because of past experience, I can definitely see how a very difficult situation was created for Rebecca to deal with children/teens and their divorced parents. I think if the divorce is so fraught with high emotions and a violent domestic past in the household, fighting over money, then it's highly probable any new partner is going to find the going extremely difficult.

 

[Mr Spock]

Its difficult to imagine that if Dina is the beacon of stability, love and the "rock star" she promotes herself as being, who's life objective is promoting "harmonious relationships" within the family dynamic, that her own stepchildren would choose to dismiss a long standing relationship with her.

 

[justice be served]

Its difficult to imagine that if Dina is the beacon of stability, love and the "rock star" she promotes herself as being, who's life objective is promoting "harmonious relationships" within the family dynamic, that her own stepchildren would choose to dismiss a long standing relationship with her.

In light of these two deaths and the publicity generated from them, I would not be surprised that Jonah put a stop to all contact between the various parties. Let us all remember also that he is a lawyer and suppressing communication is a valid move.

 

[inthedark14]

It's also very interesting that we've heard nothing from DS for a few weeks, MSM has been quiet. After the initial barrage of media appearances now there has been silence. Her petition is right around the number where RZ's petition tapered off, and now that petition seems to be slowing as well. The new book comes out at the end of the month, should we expect some kind of media blitz then? I'm not in PR or marketing so I can't say if that would be good or bad. I'm just very curious as to the timing of a lot of the things that have happened so far. There are obviously lawyers and PR people working on this, so I wonder, does anyone here on WS have experience in PR and what would be the most likely next move. I'm sure that something is coming...I just don't know what.

Always...MOO

 

[freespeech]

I'm not in PR but I have been wondering if we should have heard from the AG by now. It was previously mentioned that her decision whether to accept the case or not would not be revealed until after the elections. I certainly hope that is not why she has not responded to Bremner's request as of yet.

However, I suppose that politicians will use any leverage they can to gain or at least not lose votes. I think it is a sad state of affairs if one must wait for a politician to determine which direction the wind is blowing before deciding to grant justice in the form of a fair investigation. I just hope that savy voters remember this if that is what is happening. Imoo.

 

[Betty P]

I'm not in PR but I have been wondering if we should have heard from the AG by now. It was previously mentioned that her decision whether to accept the case or not would not be revealed until after the elections. I certainly hope that is not why she has not responded to Bremner's request as of yet.

However, I suppose that politicians will use any leverage they can to gain or at least not lose votes. I think it is a sad state of affairs if one must wait for a politician to determine which direction the wind is blowing before deciding to grant justice in the form of a fair investigation. I just hope that savy voters remember this if that is what is happening. Imoo.

IMHO, its more than just politics. There's probably incredible pressure and influence from Wall Street to prevent any scandal that could hurt the value of Medicis/Valeant Pharma company stock. We're talking about a company that has revenues of over $3 billion per year.

In reality, an investigation shouldn't hurt the company's stock. Investors and customers don't really care about these kinds of scandals as they're not really linked to the company's operations or markets. But Wall Street isn't filled with the brightest people, they're more ambitious and clever than intelligent. Because they have the power to pressure LE and politicians, they do it, not because its necessary, but because they can.

 

[Inparadise]

It's also very interesting that we've heard nothing from DS for a few weeks, MSM has been quiet. After the initial barrage of media appearances now there has been silence. Her petition is right around the number where RZ's petition tapered off, and now that petition seems to be slowing as well. The new book comes out at the end of the month, should we expect some kind of media blitz then? I'm not in PR or marketing so I can't say if that would be good or bad. I'm just very curious as to the timing of a lot of the things that have happened so far. There are obviously lawyers and PR people working on this, so I wonder, does anyone here on WS have experience in PR and what would be the most likely next move. I'm sure that something is coming...I just don't know what.

Always...MOO

What ever is Dina's next move, we can count on there being some sort of Press Conference shortly after........and possibly another magazine article.......IMO. At any rate, she will not be silent about it.

 

[iSleuth]

IMHO, its more than just politics. There's probably incredible pressure and influence from Wall Street to prevent any scandal that could hurt the value of Medicis/Valeant Pharma company stock. We're talking about a company that has revenues of over $3 billion per year.

In reality, an investigation shouldn't hurt the company's stock. Investors and customers don't really care about these kinds of scandals as they're not really linked to the company's operations or markets. But Wall Street isn't filled with the brightest people, they're more ambitious and clever than intelligent. Because they have the power to pressure LE and politicians, they do it, not because its necessary, but because they can.

I have really thought about this a lot. I couldn't agree more, and I do think there would ( have been) a link with the success of M/V/P performance and projections in a number of ways.

There was evidence the stock fell the days in between MS's accident , and the discovery and questions surrounding the investigation into RZ's death(which at the time they were calling homicide) and the announcement that RZ's death was suicide - I believe it was that Friday. I will find the link if people would like...but the stock was falling then shot up when they announced her death was "suicide".

There is no doubt in my mind that if there was a big investigation around the company pointing to the CEO in an incriminating way there would be many "balky investors" as it is it is not easy to get anyone to be confident in any of the stock markets at all these past few years.
And- look! the stock has performed well! hmmm
I think many people ( all around SD ) ( ahem) could have benefitted by these cases " going away" and quickly.

Now, just a side note- Many many people were invested and are stressed ( in ways you can't imagine) waiting for a private company to go public- my ex hub worked for a company that went public. Before hand the people at the top...throw around " stock options" like "candy"- "like kisses at a church fair" think about it ....they get like $ 10,000's- 40,000 -1 million in so called stock options which -could -become millions or Zero! depending! " stock options" = imaginary $$$ if that company fails- believe me- I know .

I am pretty sure that was a very big week in that company and all the people involved...I keep thinking there are many people around this case, and peripherally - the family and that town- that had pressures, and motives, and yes I will say it .." pay offs" for the events as well as how everything was handled from the get-go.

of course all this " blahblahblah" is JMOO

 

[iSleuth]

The point of Dina's media campaign is to draw attention to the idea that Rebecca assaulted and killed Max. The things that make Dina suspicious are as follows:

1) Rebecca reportedly stated that Max said 'Ocean' before loosing consciousness.

2) Nina purported that Rebecca stated that Max fell from the bedroom.

3) Dina does not believe Max's facial and back injuries resulted from his fall.

4) Dina purported that Dr. Peterson believed Max may have been suffocated prior to his fall.

5) Dina believes that Rebecca lied about doing CPR because the EMT report stated that no CPR was done.

6) Dina believes that Rebecca was in terrific physical shape.

7) Dina purported that Rebeca knew jiu-jitsu and performed it inappropriately on a person.

8) Dina believes that Rebecca is impulsive because she was arrested and charged with shoplifting $1,000.00 worth of jewlery at Macy's.

9) Dina believes that Rebecca is dishonest because she used her maiden name of Zahau instead of her married name Nalepa.

10) Dina believes that Rebecca was controlled Jonah's children's diets.

11) Dina believes that Rebecca had poor boundries because she puportedly took a picture of Max while he was crying.

There may be complaints that Dina had against Rebecca that I missed. I can't think of anymore at this time. I am wondering though why Dina did not obtain any proof of her allegations before accusing Rebecca of assaulting Max. That would have strengthed Dina's media campaign and made her look more responsible. However, because she did not provide proof of her allegations she looks to me to have questionable and self serving motives.

None of Dina's accusations against Rebecca scream out that Rebecca was capable of assaulting a killing a child a least to me. There also does not seem to be much supporting evidence for her claims from Jonah or people in the community. Any one else have a take on this?

Thank you for this list. I have a few questions that really bother me about DS. If she was so against RZ why was she ever " off- line - "off radar "was what I called it when my 3 kids were little? Do you guys with kids and or ex husband/wives -ever turn off your phone? My kids are college age and older- i still do not!

Also ( i know many people have brought this up many times, so add me to the band wagon)what time was she supposed to get him? If that was her day to take him back to her house-( and she was that against RZ taking care of him) what exact time was the pick up supposed to be? 9 am? noon? 3 pm? 5 pm?
she should have a whole media campaign to just explain why she was so hard to reach that day. sorry- to me? cold pills don't cut it- not that it untrue! just seems odd.

( kind of off this specific topic but related to DS)As far as DS " handling herself professionally" i am really sorry...I am sorry for her pain. as a MOM my heart aches for her loss- but . I have friends ( too many) who have lost kids- tragically. ( i don't know why i know so many) none have been concerned one iota about how they handled anything at all. they don;t give a flying you know what how they look, or act. In fact for a few years it was a miracle they brushed their hair- or got up out of bed at all! All have gone through the agony differently- this is true. None of them cared how they looked to the " channels" media - friends etc. just sayin'

Finally...is it Deeeena > or D-eye-nah?

Thank you to everyone for being here, and listening and sharing.
I am so hoping for justice in this case.
I hope I am not hoping for a miracle.
blessings!

 

[K_Z]

Good questions about Dina's non-availability that fateful day.

I have said several times that I have no problem at all with her sleeping off a cold or a hangover, or entertaining a house guest, or weaving baskets, or whatever. What I find monumentally irresponsible is the CHIOICE she made to be completely unavailable, withut attempting to notify Jonah OR Rebecca in advance of her "unavailability". A responsible parent keeps in contact, or lets someone responsible know of their unavailability.

Monumentally irresponsible, imo. And I have a personal opinion that her "unavailability" has produced guilt that she has transferred into anger and vindictiveness toward Rebecca (and Jonah).

The person Dina was "unavailable" with, the BF who answered the door (finally) for police has been entirely absent and silent over the past year+. I suspect he has a lot more information on why Dina was "unavailable" that day. I wonder if he was ever questioned by police?

 

[freespeech]

I have really thought about this a lot. I couldn't agree more, and I do think there would ( have been) a link with the success of M/V/P performance and projections in a number of ways.

There was evidence the stock fell the days in between MS's accident , and the discovery and questions surrounding the investigation into RZ's death(which at the time they were calling homicide) and the announcement that RZ's death was suicide - I believe it was that Friday. I will find the link if people would like...but the stock was falling then shot up when they announced her death was "suicide".

There is no doubt in my mind that if there was a big investigation around the company pointing to the CEO in an incriminating way there would be many "balky investors" as it is it is not easy to get anyone to be confident in any of the stock markets at all these past few years.
And- look! the stock has performed well! hmmm
I think many people ( all around SD ) ( ahem) could have benefitted by these cases " going away" and quickly.

Now, just a side note- Many many people were invested and are stressed ( in ways you can't imagine) waiting for a private company to go public- my ex hub worked for a company that went public. Before hand the people at the top...throw around " stock options" like "candy"- "like kisses at a church fair" think about it ....they get like $ 10,000's- 40,000 -1 million in so called stock options which -could -become millions or Zero! depending! " stock options" = imaginary $$$ if that company fails- believe me- I know .

I am pretty sure that was a very big week in that company and all the people involved...I keep thinking there are many people around this case, and peripherally - the family and that town- that had pressures, and motives, and yes I will say it .." pay offs" for the events as well as how everything was handled from the get-go.of course all this " blahblahblah" is JMOO

BBM

Actually, what you state is down to earth and realistic imo. Gore has postured and contemptuosly and pompously pooh-poohed the notion of pay-offs as he contended at the September 28, 2012 Coronado Roundtable in regards to the Zahau case, “What is the motive for all of law enforcement to come together and conspire and lie about this case?” Gore asked. “We all getting paid off by somebody? We let the facts and the evidence lead us to conclusions.”

http://poway.patch.com/articles/sheriff-gore-talks-arpaio-birthers-and-news-media

However, despite Gore's contentions he is well aware of the notion of payoffs even if it was his choice to turn a blind eye to them as this article showed.

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2012/oct/24/citylights1-military-bribes-sometimes-backfire/

'...Local so-called law enforcement officials found numerous reasons they couldn’t take on an investigation. So the United States attorney’s office took the hot potato; the FBI handled the investigation. It came out that Stallings had been on the “friends and family” list of special people who could get cut in on the certain-to-be-sizzling stock at the offering price of $15. The stock zoomed, as expected; Moores tipped her to sell within $1.10 of the all-time high of $50.25, and she dumped it for a nifty 267 percent profit in only 26 days.

It turned out that Moores had showered other gifts on her as well. But there were no charges of insider trading of Neon shares, on which Moores had shown such prescience. The then–United States attorney astoundingly said it is not a crime to give gifts to public officials, but of course it is when the giver expects something in return. Moores got Stallings’s vote on the ballpark, as well as information from closed council sessions that she passed to him, according to a Union-Tribune story of the time. She got off with a light wrist slap and Moores walked completely.

FBI special agent William Gore could find no evidence of a quid pro quo. Gore is now sheriff of San Diego County.'

Additionally, if stock options have been handed out like party favors, and I'm not saying they were, then I can imagine that many are not pleased with Dina's persistent presence in the media.

 

[freespeech]

Good questions about Dina's non-availability that fateful day.

I have said several times that I have no problem at all with her sleeping off a cold or a hangover, or entertaining a house guest, or weaving baskets, or whatever. What I find monumentally irresponsible is the CHIOICE she made to be completely unavailable, withut attempting to notify Jonah OR Rebecca in advance of her "unavailability". A responsible parent keeps in contact, or lets someone responsible know of their unavailability.

Monumentally irresponsible, imo. And I have a personal opinion that her "unavailability" has produced guilt that she has transferred into anger and vindictiveness toward Rebecca (and Jonah).

The person Dina was "unavailable" with, the BF who answered the door (finally) for police has been entirely absent and silent over the past year+. I suspect he has a lot more information on why Dina was "unavailable" that day. I wonder if he was ever questioned by police?

It is rumored that Dina is no longer with the gentleman in question. I wonder what kind of stress the deaths must have put on the relationship?

 

[freespeech]

Notice how this story is slanted to meet Dina's agenda. It is strange that there is no author noted for the blurb.

http://www.cbs8.com/story/19607667/dina-shacknai-interview-on-dr-phil-friday

 

[SweetT]

What was she trying to hide, and from whom?

You know, when a woman is going through a divorce, and there a no children involved, it is very common for her to begin using her maiden name right away, so I don't get why Dina had her panty hose in a wad because Rebecca chose to use her maiden name.

Wasnt Rebecca still married when living with Jonah? So why use your maiden name if you arent divorced yet or even filed for divorce yet either way? Why not just be honest. ? <modsnip> Was Rebecca the cause of Dina and Jonahs break up? How many married, young, good looking women would go move in with Jonah if it were not for the money? That tells me a little bit about someones motives/intentions/soul/personality/values what ever you want to call it. Not Angelic qualities really. JMO

 

[Inparadise]

Wasnt Rebecca still married when living with Jonah? So why use your maiden name if you arent divorced yet or even filed for divorce yet either way? Why not just be honest. ? <modsnip>. Was Rebecca the cause of Dina and Jonahs break up? How many married, young, good looking women would go move in with Jonah if it were not for the money? That tells me a little bit about someones motives/intentions/soul/personality/values what ever you want to call it. Not Angelic qualities really. JMO

It is very common for women to use their maiden name when they have decided to end their relationship......what's the big deal? You should recall that Jonah was still very married to Dina when he was living with Rebecca.......it's not like he was a saint in all of this. And let's not forget about how Jonah was involved with Dina while he was still married <modsnip>.......

 

[SweetT]

I certainly do not think that Dina or Jonah are saints..not by a long shot, but it seems Rebecca is just as Messed up as them. Birds of a feather. And just because someone else does something wrong, doesnt make it ok for the next person to do it. 2 wrongs are just wrong.