Discuss Max's death here - Thread #1.

[CDS22]

It doesn't have to say anything. The doctor made his observations based on external injuries. The doctor didn't know about the extensive spinal cord damage.

Acutally, I'm pretty sure that they could have known that. What they're saying is that his external injuries didn't match the internal.

IMO

 

[Rhyme & Reason]

Not if he were hit on the head first or somehow taken by surprise. However, he did have lots of contusions on his legs and face. The smaller the child the harder it is to prove suffocation via an autopsy (and the easier it is to suffocate them). RZ was more than twice MS's weight.

JMO

Links please!

 

[CDS22]

Or abrasions on his neck.

Actually it does say abrasions on his clavicle, and on his nose <modsnip>. One of the signs of suffocation is marks around the nose.

 

[CDS22]

CDS22. I realize the only other person was XZ, but if it was intentional then anyone there the week before could speak to the mood- tense, angry, etc. If it wasn't intentional and more like MS hiding in the refrigerator, or someone jokingly locking him in a dock box and not realizing the outcome, then the earlier visitors could say time was spent playing hide and seek, good natured tormenting each other as brothers and sisters do. Imo

I would like to hear from GS and ES. According to RZ's sister, they did not like her.

 

[arielilane]

From Max's AR.https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&...DctZGRjMy00ODVkLTk1YWItODAxZjAxMzE5OTVl&hl=en

 

[jjenny]

Acutally, I'm pretty sure that they could have known that. What they're saying is that his external injuries didn't match the internal.

IMO

Spinal cord damage is not a visible injury. The doctor based his opinion on visible injuries.

 

[arielilane]

From Max's AR.https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&...DctZGRjMy00ODVkLTk1YWItODAxZjAxMzE5OTVl&hl=en

 

[CDS22]

Actually, my thoughts were the exact opposite. When I read about the possible suffocation my second thought was "someone killed RZ because of this". IMO

Don't you think perhaps they would first want to get the whole story out of her, and have their day in court?

 

[Yoda]

You don't think they would go through a court of law to get answers. Answers would be important to most people. You think they drilled her themselves and then discarded her?

I agree, letting the LE handle the situation is what most people would do. My observation, in THIS case, with the bizarre circumstances of RZ's death, the history of being able to control physical responses when upset, and the numerous discrepencies in the evidence that we have been given, is to lean heavily to the conclusion she was murdered. IMO. I would like to be clear, I don't have all the facts. If/when more information is released I will reevaluate my position. But I am on a forum that discusses cases. I am not here to smear anyone's name. I am here to analyze the evidence and question, re-question, and debate intelligently the circumstances surrounding the case.

 

[CDS22]

Spinal cord damage is not a visible injury. The doctor based his opinion on visible injuries.

The doctor said the external injuries did not match the internal injuries. They knew what MS's injuries were. The question was, how did he get them?

 

[jjenny]

Don't you think perhaps they would first want to get the whole story out of her, and have their day in court?

Well, yes, I would assume they could have wanted to get the whole story out of her.

 

[jjenny]

The doctor said the external injuries did not match the internal injuries. They knew what MS's injuries were. The question was, how did he get them?

Hah? The doctor did not say external injuries did not match internal injuries. I don't believe the doctor had any idea about extensive spinal cord damage Max suffered. In fact Hinky meter explained that damage to spinal cord was not compatible with life.

 

[MyBelle]

CDS22. I realize the only other person was XZ, but if it was intentional then anyone there the week before could speak to the mood- tense, angry, etc. If it wasn't intentional and more like MS hiding in the refrigerator, or someone jokingly locking him in a dock box and not realizing the outcome, then the earlier visitors could say time was spent playing hide and seek, good natured tormenting each other as brothers and sisters do. Imo

Yoda, Max's body also sustained spinal, neck and blunt force head trauma. That's far beyond good natured anything imo. The child didn't get locked in a refrigerator to the point of suffocation and once out, went running down the upstairs hallway which is how LE theorized he went over the upstairs railing.

The suffocation findings of the hospital doctor does not fit with an accidental death finding of the ME.

JMO

 

[Morag]

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/sep/22/state-ag-wont-review-deaths-spreckels-mansion/

A third warrant, signed July 22, shows that Coronado police seized several items from the mansion, including an ornate chandelier found in the trash, a black T-shirt, electrical wire, a silver Razor scooter and a soccer ball. All of the items had been found and photographed in the stairwell of the home, shortly after Max was injured

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Interesting- Coronado PD was on the ball.

 

[CDS22]

Hah? The doctor did not say external injuries did not match internal injuries. I don't believe the doctor had any idea about extensive spinal cord damage Max suffered. In fact Hinky meter explained that damage to spinal cord was not compatible with life.

They pretty much knew from day one that MS wouldn't survive his injuries. He was only kept on life support until they could co-ordinate organ donation. Hinky meter's okay, but they're not the medical examiner, nor are they the doctor who made the statement to police about the suffocation suspicion.

 

[CDS22]

Hah? The doctor did not say external injuries did not match internal injuries. I don't believe the doctor had any idea about extensive spinal cord damage Max suffered. In fact Hinky meter explained that damage to spinal cord was not compatible with life.

Det. Thomas Atkins of the Coronado Police Department wrote, "... Dr. Peterson did not feel the visible injuries were consistent with the cardiac arrest and brain swelling experienced by Shacknai. Dr. Peterson expressed concerns made based on the -- the above factors, suffocation may have occurred prior to Shacknai’s fall."

http://www.10news.com/news/29268087/detail.html

 

[MyBelle]

Hah? The doctor did not say external injuries did not match internal injuries. I don't believe the doctor had any idea about extensive spinal cord damage Max suffered. In fact Hinky meter explained that damage to spinal cord was not compatible with life.

I think the attending physcian had a very good idea about Max's spinal cord damage. The child had been transferred to Rady from another hospital. I'm inclined to believe the attending physician rather than some amateur analysis on a blog.

JMO

 

[jjenny]

They pretty much knew from day one that MS wouldn't survive his injuries. He was only kept on life support until they could co-ordinate organ donation. Hinky meter's okay, but they're not the medical examiner, nor are they the doctor who made the statement to police about the suffocation suspicion.

They knew because he suffered brain damage during the CPR efforts, because it took so long to get his heart beating again. I don't believe that doctor knew about extensive spinal cord damage-it was not visible and the neck was not broken.

 

[jjenny]

I think the attending physcian had a very good idea about Max's spinal cord damage. The child had been transferred to Rady from another hospital. I'm inclined to believe the attending physician rather than some amateur analysis on a blog.

JMO

Spinal cord damage is not a visible injury. The doctor clearly based his opinion because of visible injuries.

 

[Rhyme & Reason]

At no time did I say the ME claimed he had dragging marks on his spinal cord. Please don't ascribe things to me that I haven't said.

I didn't ascribe things to you that you haven't said.