Discussion: Is TH responsible for Kyron's disappearance? #2(POLL ADDED)

[stmarysmead]

Scott lied a LOT. Proven lies from the first instant Laci was missing. He told one person he'd been golfing and others he'd been fishing. That's not forgetting an element of your day, that's not blowing a poly, that's just BAD LYING.

waitasec:To me, "blowing two polys " and avoiding a third when your step-son is missing...in addition to her inability to recall her morning that same afternoon...is just as damning.)

Scott said he fished a lot, yet he had the wrong lures (in an unopened package, IIRC), a way-too-small boat for the conditions and the prey, and computer forensics showing he had looked up info about the tides. That's a far cry from parenting your child in a way that some think is unusual (the car ride) but some don't.

waitasec:Terri has someone step forward to say she tried to recruit him for murder...Scott never had anyone link him to murderous intent. And she is driving around suspiciously at the same time other witnesses say her friend left her job suspiciously on the day in question.)



There was at least a suspicion of a crime scene - some reported a smell of bleach, plus gas spilled on a tarp in the shed, the messed up rug, and Laci's clothes from the previous day missing. This was all in the first days - forget when they found on the bodies! Here we have no crime scene, no physical evidence at all.

waitasec:True)

Scott wasn't just flirting - he told Amber his wife was dead before Laci even disappeared. You find me one credible witness who says Terri told someone ahead of time that Kyron had been kidnapped or died and I will hop off this fence.

waitasec:True. But there is one witness who says she tried to hire him to take her husband's life. To me, this is even worse than pretending to a mistress that your wife is dead...this is asking someone to MAKE your husband dead.)

Amber didn't just have racy messages, she had him making plans to be with her, live with her, while Laci was still alive. Here we have a MFH plot with nothing but they guy's word to back it up, and no indication of Terri hiding her status as mom and wife, no indication of her planning her life after Kaine and Kyron.

waitasec:WE don't know yet what else they have. I suppose this landscaper has a hidden motive. But we do know the police found him cedible...so the they apparently jumped off the fence. And whatever else they told Kaine...he jumped too...and a judge issued a restraining order and gave him Baby K.)

Scott sold Laci's truck, stored extra furniture in Conner's nursery, and talked to a real estate agent about selling the house; Kyron's room is a shrine, (even when Terri was alone in the house, she didn't pack it up). That would be too stupid? Sure. We were all gobsmacked when Scott did it.

waitasec:Today, we find out Terri swapped cell phones to hide something, anything. Every day we hear a little more.)

We don't know that Terri isn't devastated. When have we heard her speak? For all we know, DS went to stay with her b/c she was distraught and needed support and care. I can't claim that Terri doesn't care. Going on TV doesn't mean you care (exhibit A: Scott Peterson). It only gives the public more chum in the water.

( :waitasec:I agree. But falling to do everything you can...yes, even at some risk to yourself...take polys, answer question, let police have your correct CELL PHONE...speaks to love IMO. Speaks to loving a child more than oneself. But maybe that's just me.)

Some say those who aren't sure are giving Terri the benefit of the doubt on so many things, but I think a lot of people are extrapolating quite a bit from the very few details we do know. The only fallback position is that LE must know a lot more than we do, but if it were really "a lot more" then she'd be in jail.

waitasec:Scott wasn't in jail till Laci's body washed up, was he?)

But thank you...it is a good practice to review and get our thoughts in order. We can agree to disagree.

 

[1Chump]

That is the way our legal system works.

IMO, the reason the fence sitters are sitting on the fence is that they look at it from a Court of Law stand point, not a Court of Public Opinion standpoint.

IMO, most of the allegations that have been reported will never make it in to a Court of Law as evidence. At least not the way they have been reported.

Specifically, which ones do you believe will not be admissible?

IMO, none of the allegations in the media would be admissible as evidence in a Court of Law. The reason is that NONE of the allegations are direct quotes from the direct source. We do not even have LE stating that they were directly told. Everything being reported is hearsay, mostly multiple hearsay, two and three times removed.

IMO, as far as Kyron's disappearance. The MFH is irrelevant, not likely to lead to lead to admissible evidence and highly prejudicial. Everything related to the RO and divorce, including alledged sexting for the same reasons. None of that information has any bearing on Kyron being missing.

IMO, what "facts" do we know that pertains directly to Kyron. Not hearsay of someone claiming that LE told them but direct facts. Right now, the only fact we know is that Kyron is missing.

 

[angelswatchoverthem]

Yes, because they dont know any better, its very sad. Not every moment in an abused childs life is bad.

While what you say is true, are there grounds to suspect Kyron was an abused child? I would think bio mom DY would have picked up on that if she saw Kyron frequently???

 

[angelswatchoverthem]

I just find it incredible that he went missing while at school, and nobody saw anything of any consequence, and feel if when the children were all in class it would have been obvious that Kyron wasn't where he should be? Didn't the teacher dismiss this as "Kyron went to get a drink of water or went to the bathroom", not that he had a Dr.'s appnt? from what i have read? Wouldn't the teacher be concerned that he was taking such a long time to get back to the classroom?
I am just thinking if the teacher would have acted on this a lot sooner, then maybe they would of found Kyron, because the time of noted "child missing" would have been a lot sooner. And from what i understand of these abductions, time is an important factor! The longer a child is missing the less likely they are found alive.

 

[Calliope]

So Terri lists gardening as a hobby and all that.

Kaine has no idea that there is even a landscape man, but there was one.

So, was Terri letting Kaine believe she was the one who made the yard look so good? Because if so, thats kinda weird.

Did you see the pictures of the yard?

 

[nursebeeme]

Did you see the pictures of the yard?

LOL... I was thinking the same thing! A landscaper could have spent a year there and not been done

 

[RoughlyCollie]

I voted that I feel certain that TH is involved in this.

But there is a part of me that wonders if the GJ and the investigation is all about TH. Maybe the investigation is pointing in another direction or at another person, and TH has been ruled out, and we don't know it. As long as LE keeps their collective mouths shut, they are under no obligation to rein in DY, TY and KH or the media.

I may be grasping at straws here, but I just have a very hard time reconciling all the pictures of TH and her kids (including Kyron) and thinking she could do something so awful to Kyron or any child. This, despite my belief that she did it. I can't explain it, maybe I'm the one who is nuts!

Has that ever happened, in anyone's recollection, that the person in the media spotlight turned out not to be LE's suspect after all? I can't think of one instance.

 

[Bethlamb16]

If she really was part of a MFH and the LS showed up on her door to blackmail her after Kyron went missing, and if she is guilty of taking Kyron, than I am shocked that she would call the police to report the LS (especially if she is guilty) -- it seems like she would have told him to get out of there but I can't see her calling 911 and opening herself up to this kind of claim if she was really guilty. I am still on the fence but so many things don't add up. I have a hard time thinking she would have picked the school and/or called 911 for anything let alone to report that someone accused her of a MFH. JMO!!!!

 

[angelswatchoverthem]

The only thing that i find odd is if the science project that Kyron had made wasn't all that big, why did TY have to have a truck to transport it, if this wasn't her usual mode of transport? Also i don't know about you other moms on here, but if your child had this going on at their school, well, it was what? from 8am-10am,or was it 8-9am?, the duration of the science fair? Unless for something pressing or something urgent you had to do, wouldn't Mom want to stay for the duration? I know i would. These kids were probably all very proud of their projects i would imagine. Everyone getting ready for holidays too, so it would of been a good time to catch up with some of the other mom's also. Unless baby K. was starting to fuss at that particular time, i thought this happened after she said she left the school though.
I did read on another thread, about the fact TH left before children would have gone to their classrooms to be signed in for the day?
I know, i was thinking to abduct a child from the school very risky, but how risky for a step parent that was familiar with the school, would she dare to do such a thing? I really don't know. On any other day i wouldn't think so, but because of the science fair, and all the other parents etc, around at the time, perhaps she thought that would be a good opportunity to do something?

 

[angelswatchoverthem]

I also don't really know about this MFH plot? I wouldn't really base to much on it seeing as it is only this particular person's word for it, and who knows really what he might be up to? Maybe he sees some $$ signs in his future with selling his story? We have all seen that with other cases. I would have to go by other facts in this case. Fact no. 1 is Kyron went missing, and he went missing from his school.
I wouldn't even base too much on cell phone pings, because that can also be misleading.
A Fact no. 2 here would be who actually saw TH on the day, after she left the school and where? and around what time? How was she acting? Suspiciously or not?
The polygraph is really no true indication of guilt either. They are not foolproof. This has also been proven before. And did TH even fail a polygraph test, is there confirmation of this by LE? If she did, was it failure on all questions or only on some of the questions?
Forensic evidence would be a much more reliable and a more accurate means of knowing if she was being honest or not.
Have LE confiscated & taken the vehicle for any forensic testing?

 

[21merc7]

Has that ever happened, in anyone's recollection, that the person in the media spotlight turned out not to be LE's suspect after all? I can't think of one instance.

Missing baby Sabrina Aisenberg. Parents were the suspects, it was a nightmare! That is the first case that pops in mind. As far as I know, Sabrina has never been found.

Also know of literally hundreds of smaller focus local cases from different areas, but not big media. Sure there are plenty out there.

 

[1Chump]

I voted that I feel certain that TH is involved in this.

But there is a part of me that wonders if the GJ and the investigation is all about TH. Maybe the investigation is pointing in another direction or at another person, and TH has been ruled out, and we don't know it. As long as LE keeps their collective mouths shut, they are under no obligation to rein in DY, TY and KH or the media.

I may be grasping at straws here, but I just have a very hard time reconciling all the pictures of TH and her kids (including Kyron) and thinking she could do something so awful to Kyron or any child. This, despite my belief that she did it. I can't explain it, maybe I'm the one who is nuts!

Has that ever happened, in anyone's recollection, that the person in the media spotlight turned out not to be LE's suspect after all? I can't think of one instance.

Jaycee Dugard's Step-Father was considered a suspect up until the day she was found. You have to wonder if that played a part in her not being rescued sooner.

IMO, that is my biggest fear in Kyron's case. Many people believe that TH was responsible. DY has said over and over that she feels that TH has Kyron hidden. Many people may believe and stop being vigilante. Some one may see a child who looks like Kyron but tell themselves "that cannot be Kyron, he Step-Mom is responsible"

 

[cluciano63]

I completely agree that K&D, despite all of the best intentions, could be harming the case by insisting Terri is the culprit and that she has Kyron stashed away. I wish they would stop saying both of those things. If I did not know as much about this case as I do, I would totally think this was nothing more than an ugly custody battle and would certainly not be in any way keeping an eye out for Kyron. Worse, would not be keeping an eye out for any possible predators or clues...

 

[RoughlyCollie]

JSome one may see a child who looks like Kyron but tell themselves "that cannot be Kyron, he Step-Mom is responsible"

Yes, but responsible for what? DY insists Kyron is alive. That means he is not with TH, wherever she is. Surely LE knows where TH is (which may not be where the general public thinks she is) and that Kyron is not there with her.

Hope that Kyron is alive is very much with me, no matter what the statistics say.

 

[cluciano63]

I do not believe that if Kyron is alive, he will be "spotted" out in public by anyone.

 

[Calliope]

I do not believe that if Kyron is alive, he will be "spotted" out in public by anyone.

I was wondering though ...

Time and again, there have been cases where people are held captive or abused, have the ability to call out for help or escape but don't even attempt it.


http://www.fbi.gov/publications/leb/2007/july2007/july2007leb.htm#page10

http://everydaypsychology.com/2007/01/why-do-kidnap-victims-sometimes-fail-to.html

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1919757,00.html

The incident for which the syndrome is named occurred over only 6 days. JMO, but a 7 year old boy would have less to draw upon to fight this and would succumb easily. So I think it's possible that if he is being held somewhere, enough time has passed and enough damage has been done to his psyche that it wouldn't necessarily be that much of a risk for him to be taken out into public, especially if he's been removed from the Portland area.

The second link gives a good description in layman's terms of the syndrome and why it isn't an unexpected defense mechanism for those who are abused, abducted or taken hostage.

From the Time article :

Experts note that because they are especially vulnerable and impressionable, children may be particularly prone to forming bonds with their captors, a phenomenon that may differ from Stockholm syndrome in adults.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1919757,00.html#ixzz0vbr7e4Ov

The same process though, it seems.

 

[Donjeta]

Missing baby Sabrina Aisenberg. Parents were the suspects, it was a nightmare! That is the first case that pops in mind. As far as I know, Sabrina has never been found.

Also know of literally hundreds of smaller focus local cases from different areas, but not big media. Sure there are plenty out there.

I'm sure there are lots of cases in which the media is all over somebody because he's the LE initial suspect and it turns out somebody else did it after all. It happens all the time, I would think.

How about examples of cases in which the media is all over somebody thinking he's the suspect and it turns out that he was never a LE suspect at all, just a media suspect?

 

[froginTtown]

I believe that Terri is 100% involved in the DISAPPEARANCE of Kyron.... I believe that she would think it would be a "simple" case...She did not count on the media attention to this...I think Kyron is alive/was alive until the mega media attention... Now, she looks as an infuriated b!t(h.. and now I really fear for his life..

 

[mayagrl]

:furious:

And we know that even abused children love their parents...

They will also try to put on a happy face to try stay out of trouble and lessen the abuse, too bad it doesn't work. His little happy face convinces me that TH is guilty and it was premeditated. How could anyone with any compassion, love, empathy, or moral compass sit by while KH and Des suffer for their son. I have no doubt she is as sociopathetic as they come. She is out of control, a manipulator, and from what I've seen has betrayed everyone who ever loved her. I hope someone rolls over and tells where Kyron is and helps bring him home. However it won't be Terri unless it is to save her skin. MOO IMO

 

[angelswatchoverthem]

I have had the thoughts in my mind too, that Terri has had something to do with Kyron's disappearance, only because of what has been presented as the circumstances that led up to his disappearance on the day. If it was in any different type situation that Kyron went missing, as in, out in public somewhere, then i would probably feel differently about her. She knew there was an opportunity on the day beeing familiar with the school, and the science fair that day too. Even though it would have been a very brazen move to take him without beeing seen! Perhaps she thought she was safe because of all the hustle and bustle on the day with the science fair?
Other than that if Kaine is proven to have no involvement in any way, as in a secret affair etc., and LE have cleared his whereabouts at the time, then i wouldn't think he was involved.
The only other scenario i could think of is that someone took him from the rest room at the school, and i really don't know what the odds of that would have been? Or Terri could have co conspired to get someone else to abduct him, but i think the chance of that would be rather slim?