Doctor's Appt & Seizures Revisit w/new 2010.11.12 Dateline info

[mmmagique]

IIRC, didn't Terri give Ms.Poryter some forms to fill out for Kyron's upcoming appointment ? Where would she have gotten such forms from,if not the doctor's office ? It does seem that she made contact with Kyron's doctor. This would have been so easy for LE to check. They could have just asked Ms.Porter for the forms... MOO Be interesting to know if Ms.Porter ever saw any of these symptoms ; she saw him for long periods of time each day...

All JMO

The internet. I've heard Terri knows her way around the internet.

 

[BeBeBru]

I agree with the idea of the Dr. appointment and possible seizure activity is some how connect to TH's well thought out plan to basically rid herself of what she had convinced herself was "the problem". ((((((((poor little Kyron))))))) I think that perhaps she was intending to use a seizure as the cause of his death. There are so many drugs that she could have given him to cause "fatal seizure" but on the other hand if he were to die she would not have control over a possible autopsy being done with results showing some substance in his system. I don't believe for one split second that he was having seizures
but in my opinion she created this story for the larger part of the scheme.....we may never know the "why" of this.

As much as my head, heart and soul wants to think that Kyron is still alive, I know that my thoughts will NOT most likely be the reality of the outcome.

Bottom line, she wanted him gone and guess what, he is gone. With a very heavy heart this is JMO.

 

[SurfieTX]

I agree with the idea of the Dr. appointment and possible seizure activity is some how connect to TH's well thought out plan to basically rid herself of what she had convinced herself was "the problem". ((((((((poor little Kyron))))))) I think that perhaps she was intending to use a seizure as the cause of his death. There are so many drugs that she could have given him to cause "fatal seizure" but on the other hand if he were to die she would not have control over a possible autopsy being done with results showing some substance in his system. I don't believe for one split second that he was having seizures
but in my opinion she created this story for the larger part of the scheme.....we may never know the "why" of this.

As much as my head, heart and soul wants to think that Kyron is still alive, I know that my thoughts will NOT most likely be the reality of the outcome.

Bottom line, she wanted him gone and guess what, he is gone. With a very heavy heart this is JMO.

Noting that she said this on June 5, 2010: The past 2 weeks he’s been acting really weird. Staring off into space. Can’t remember anything. Walks into the room and then back out, stopping to stare and then move on. The doc thinks he is having mini seizures and I made an appt. on Thursday for the next Friday to have him checked out.

I think it was either that (what you posted about being the cause of death) or setting the groundwork that he was capable of wandering away from the school on his own due to said seizures.

 

[ami]

Noting that she said this on June 5, 2010: The past 2 weeks he’s been acting really weird. Staring off into space. Can’t remember anything. Walks into the room and then back out, stopping to stare and then move on. The doc thinks he is having mini seizures and I made an appt. on Thursday for the next Friday to have him checked out.

I think it was either that (what you posted about being the cause of death) or setting the groundwork that he was capable of wandering away from the school on his own due to said seizures.

ITA. She could then say she identified the problem and made the necessary doctors appointment for him, told the school (did she tell the school he was having seizures, black outs, memory lapses??), and *the school* neglected to take the proper precautions and allowed him to wander away and get lost in the woods, making it negligence on the school's part and nothing but attentive, caring parenting on her part.

 

[debs]

This is the email that always gets me. How did Terri know the teacher misheard that one particular sentence? If they exchanged more than one sentence that morning, then any of them could have been misinterpreted. And indeed, as Terri suggested, that is an odd misinterpretation to make - going to another exhibit versus going to take Kyron to the doctor with baby K. Especially when Terri never mentioned going to the doctor with baby K at all, from what we've heard. How would the teacher have misheard that specifically, to that extent? Seems weird.

I imagine when Kaine and Terri arrived at the school and started questioning her, that's when Ms Porter told Terri she thought she'd taken Kyron to the Dr. I have my doubts to Ms Porter's belief system, since we have a witness who states she thought Kyron was in the bathroom after the chaperon noted one of her 6 kids was missing.

 

[Really]

Noting that she said this on June 5, 2010: The past 2 weeks he’s been acting really weird. Staring off into space. Can’t remember anything. Walks into the room and then back out, stopping to stare and then move on. The doc thinks he is having mini seizures and I made an appt. on Thursday for the next Friday to have him checked out.

I think it was either that (what you posted about being the cause of death) or setting the groundwork that he was capable of wandering away from the school on his own due to said seizures.

...and having noting these 'mini seizures' and wandering, Terri leaves Kyron alone in a school hallway during a 'chaotic' morning at the school with 300 people everywhere?? This email and her own words will convict her. IF a Dr thought he may be having mini-seizures, it's more likely he would have an earlier appointment than a week later. IF he was being cared for by a loving step-mom, she would have delivered him personally to an in-charge teacher with full disclosure on the seizure/behaviour.

 

[cluciano63]

Yet didn't Desiree say today that Kyron had been having problems in school, not doing well, not happy, for the past year? All of which make perfect sense if he was living in a home with an alcoholic, unloving stepmother. Terri may well have seen symptoms, unaware that she was the root cause. She may even have called a doctor to make sure, not wanting Kaine and Desiree to know until she had a diagnosis, in case it came back on her. I think Kaine and Desiree both said very early on that there was an issue with Kyron listening and obeying adults? Something like that?

 

[kytty]

Hi all--I just wanted to add my own experience re: doctors/seizures. My son was having seizure-like episodes, and after calling to doctor, they told me that if it continued to happen, he would have to have several tests done to see if he was in fact having seizure. I do not believe that any doctor would make a determination of seizures based off of a description of the symptoms that TH was talking about, and I also doubt that a qualified pediatrician would term the description she gave as "mini-seizures". Doesn't add up, imo.

ETA: All of this makes me feel like Terri had been hatching a well-thought out plan of getting rid of sweet Kyron, and then the day of the Science Fair, something made her completely snap and get rid of him that day instead of waiting to put her plan into action.

 

[gwenabob]

Hi all--I just wanted to add my own experience re: doctors/seizures. My son was having seizure-like episodes, and after calling to doctor, they told me that if it continued to happen, he would have to have several tests done to see if he was in fact having seizure. I do not believe that any doctor would make a determination of seizures based off of a description of the symptoms that TH was talking about, and I also doubt that a qualified pediatrician would term the description she gave as "mini-seizures". Doesn't add up, imo.

ETA: All of this makes me feel like Terri had been hatching a well-thought out plan of getting rid of sweet Kyron, and then the day of the Science Fair, something made her completely snap and get rid of him that day instead of waiting to put her plan into action.

I agree with you, except that I believe the science fair *was* the plan. She worked it out for quite a while, then put it into play on the date that was chosen because from past experience, she knew it would be a busy day at school and it would be easy to accuse a "boogieman" of the deed.

 

[Jo in Calif]

I imagine when Kaine and Terri arrived at the school and started questioning her, that's when Ms Porter told Terri she thought she'd taken Kyron to the Dr. I have my doubts to Ms Porter's belief system, since we have a witness who states she thought Kyron was in the bathroom after the chaperon noted one of her 6 kids was missing.

We also have a statement from a mother who said her child knew about the Dr. appointment, because of what the teacher said. We also know LE interviewed all the students, staff, parents and anyone who was there that day. I can't believe we would be where we are in this investigation, if Kyron in fact was in that class and started a tour with 5 other students and a chaperon.

 

[miabellamoure]

Donjeta,
The symptoms,including the absence type seizures, had apparently only been going on for a couple of weeks before Kyron vanished ? I don't know if that would be called long term or not.... Kyron himself wouldn't have complained of any symptoms, most kids who have absence seizures are not aware of them. MOO

All JMO

Most importantly, we do not know of Kyron EVEN having ANY kind of seizures.
These are only from Terri's mouth...and so far that is it. There has been no confirmation from either of Kyron's bio-parents, a pediatrician, etc.

As far as I'm concerned...it's Terri's heresay...and quite possibly a piece of her alibi.

 

[Donjeta]

Donjeta,
The symptoms,including the absence type seizures, had apparently only been going on for a couple of weeks before Kyron vanished ? I don't know if that would be called long term or not.... Kyron himself wouldn't have complained of any symptoms, most kids who have absence seizures are not aware of them. MOO

All JMO

I am a bit fuzzy about my reasoning myself but I think if she had planned for Kyron to get spectacularly sick in the middle of the science fair she might have prefaced it saying he had been feeling a bit ill the day before or something, but instead it was the baby who needed medicines. (As far as we have heard anyway.)

I just don't see this as Munchausen by Proxy kind of thing. Not with the emails about Terri hating Kyron. I don't think MBP people necessarily hate the person they're hurting, they just love the attention they're getting.

It wouldn't have been Terri to be the star of the show if Kyron got sick after she'd left the science fair. It would likely have been the teacher (whose job Terri should have had) who saved the day. It doesn't fit IMO.

 

[miabellamoure]

I am a bit fuzzy about my reasoning myself but I think if she had planned for Kyron to get spectacularly sick in the middle of the science fair she might have prefaced it saying he had been feeling a bit ill the day before or something, but instead it was the baby who needed medicines. (As far as we have heard anyway.)

I just don't see this as Munchausen by Proxy kind of thing. Not with the emails about Terri hating Kyron. I don't think MBP people necessarily hate the person they're hurting, they just love the attention they're getting.

It wouldn't have been Terri to be the star of the show if Kyron got sick after she'd left the science fair. It would likely have been the teacher (whose job Terri should have had) who saved the day. It doesn't fit IMO.

Definitely not MBP...Terri would need Kyron around alive at least to play that one out for her own self-gratification...and he's definitely nowhere to be found.

 

[grandmaj]

OK so not knowing if the doctor did weigh in on these events that Kaine and Desiree did not know about.

How about fear?
Could drugs be involved?
Could Kyron had seen something that he was trying to repress?
Was he emotionally damaged by something he heard or saw?

These are also reasons a child would be acting this way with Terri. Because it appears that he was not acting this way with Kaine.

Bumping this from earlier. After hearing about these emails also add abuse. Kaine said no physical abuse but emotional abuse can be as harmful to a child and would also be a cause for it to occur only with Terri.

If Terri disliked Kyron as stated in these alleged emails poor Kyron was probably reacting to being in the same room with her.

If it happened at all. I think it was a lame attempt at a some sort of alibi for Terri.

 

[Pensfan]

I went digging for info on whether Kaine or Desiree knew about the supposed mini-seizures. Some of the earlier articles are no longer available, but this is what I found on Kyron’s health:

-The family of Kyron described Kyron as a child without any medical problems (except for his vision). He was described by Desiree as a typical second grader.

-Kyron is allergic to bee stings (statement from Desiree)

-He was exhibiting sadness at school (statement from Desiree) and emotional turmoil when visitation ended at his bio mom's home (from Desiree).

-Dateline Nov 11th- Neither Kaine nor Desiree were told by Terri that Kyron's doctor thought Kyron was having mini-seizures.

 

[Aedrys]

I imagine when Kaine and Terri arrived at the school and started questioning her, that's when Ms Porter told Terri she thought she'd taken Kyron to the Dr. I have my doubts to Ms Porter's belief system, since we have a witness who states she thought Kyron was in the bathroom after the chaperon noted one of her 6 kids was missing.

We don't anything about Ms. Porter's belief system, so how can we possibly judge it? I'm sure the police have talked to Ms. Porter and found out the real story here, which we don't know yet. Ms. Porter deserves the benefit of the doubt until we hear HER story. For all we know, it's Terri that caused the confusion, Terri that lied about what Ms. Porter said, and Terri tried her hardest to make this teacher look bad. And there could be an innocent explanation for what that one kid said. I'm going to wait to hear what Ms. Porter has to say before passing judgment on her.

Terri directed this entire tragedy and it's not fair that the players she involved should get the fallout when we don't even know their story yet.

ETA: I believe the seizures were to be part of the story Terri was going to spin as to why Kyron probably wandered off that day and more easily point the finger at the school for being negligent. She was going not to only come off as the loving and devastated stepmother, but she was going to trump the school, her way of saying that she was better than them and they weren't worthy of having her on staff if they were to hire her anyway. Unfortunately for her, this turned from a missing boy to a criminal investigation, and so she never got to tell this story to enhance her supermom abilities or thumb her nose at the school the way she wanted to.

 

[debs]

We don't anything about Ms. Porter's belief system, so how can we possibly judge it? I'm sure the police have talked to Ms. Porter and found out the real story here, which we don't know yet. Ms. Porter deserves the benefit of the doubt until we hear HER story. For all we know, it's Terri that caused the confusion, Terri that lied about what Ms. Porter said, and Terri tried her hardest to make this teacher look bad. And there could be an innocent explanation for what that one kid said. I'm going to wait to hear what Ms. Porter has to say before passing judgment on her.

Terri directed this entire tragedy and it's not fair that the players she involved should get the fallout when we don't even know their story yet.

We know nothing of these emails but what we've been told, just as we know of Ms Porter by what we've been told. There are contradictions in the story. That isn't passing judgment; that is stating the obvious.

 

[Aedrys]

We know nothing of these emails but what we've been told, just as we know of Ms Porter by what we've been told. There are contradictions in the story. That isn't passing judgment; that is stating the obvious.

There are contadictions in the stories OTHER people have said about what Ms. Porter said. We don't know that there are contradictions in HER story because we don't even know her story yet! Does she not have the right to tell her story before we judge contradictions in what OTHER people have said about her? We're going to trust Terri and a little kid over Ms. Porter on what Ms. Porter believes and feels? That is completely unfair.

The emails, regardless of what they contain, are Terri's own words. We know they said she hated Kyron. I highly doubt Desiree is going to lie about what they contain. We can judge that. I am not judging this poor teacher on OTHER people's words when I haven't heard hers yet.

 

[Adrienne37]

We don't anything about Ms. Porter's belief system, so how can we possibly judge it? I'm sure the police have talked to Ms. Porter and found out the real story here, which we don't know yet. Ms. Porter deserves the benefit of the doubt until we hear HER story. For all we know, it's Terri that caused the confusion, Terri that lied about what Ms. Porter said, and Terri tried her hardest to make this teacher look bad. And there could be an innocent explanation for what that one kid said. I'm going to wait to hear what Ms. Porter has to say before passing judgment on her.

Terri directed this entire tragedy and it's not fair that the players she involved should get the fallout when we don't even know their story yet.

ETA: I believe the seizures were to be part of the story Terri was going to spin as to why Kyron probably wandered off that day and more easily point the finger at the school for being negligent. She was going not to only come off as the loving and devastated stepmother, but she was going to trump the school, her way of saying that she was better than them and they weren't worthy of having her on staff if they were to hire her anyway. Unfortunately for her, this turned from a missing boy to a criminal investigation, and so she never got to tell this story to enhance her supermom abilities or thumb her nose at the school the way she wanted to.

BBM - and if this plan didn't work out for her like she wanted, she always had the other email that she sent stating "He was seen with a man 'chaperone' and two girls after I left."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/08/11/earlyshow/main6763247.shtml

She thought she had it all planned out.

 

[mmmagique]

I agree with you, except that I believe the science fair *was* the plan. She worked it out for quite a while, then put it into play on the date that was chosen because from past experience, she knew it would be a busy day at school and it would be easy to accuse a "boogieman" of the deed.

I agree. But one thing I'm unsure of. How long had Kyron been attending that school? I thought they had only recently moved there. So, was this their second year at that school or the first?

No matter what, I believe the science fair was a big part of the plan.