Dylan Redwine Case Discussion Thread/Dylan's Remains Found, #2

[eileenhawkeye]

DurangoHerald ‏@DurangoHerald 12m The community is looking into renaming the mountain where #DylanRedwine was found after the teenager http://ow.ly/mE2SM

I think arresting and convicting Dylan's killer should be the priority right now. Also, there were two little kids murdered in Durango (or it might have been Bayfield) back in the 70s and 80s. They were brother and sister and were abducted by a neighbor. Where's their mountain? Do they have anything named after them?

 

[Linda7NJ]

I think arresting and convicting Dylan's killer should be the priority right now. Also, there were two little kids murdered in Durango (or it might have been Bayfield) back in the 70s and 80s. They were brother and sister and were abducted by a neighbor. Where's their mountain? Do they have anything named after them?

I think it helps unite the community and they feel like they're doing something and memorializing a child. I'm sure everyone feels powerless ... But this is something positive they can do.

 

[Dee10]

This is just MO, Mark tries to come across as a real straight-shooter. He ducked the media on numerous occasions earlier on (not answering calls and with Brandon were two examples) yet, he has come on Trisha's show and on an interview with MB there was a shot gun on the table. Yet, he hasn't at anytime pleaded or threatened anyone to the effect "if you hurt my boy" etc. even now. I don't believe the media would cut anything out like that, since he is either a POI or a suspect (clearly) at least in the publics eye. To the media, that is a SOUND BITE they want to capture...I remember Somer Thompson's Mom, when after Somer was found and she said "we are commin' to get you." Elaine called the person "a monster", Mark is only talking about clinical detailed, scattered remains. But, he had a gun ready when his son was going to get media at his place. REALLY???

 

[rebeccaeee]

This is just MO, Mark tries to come across as a real straight-shooter. He ducked the media on numerous occasions earlier on (not answering calls and with Brandon were two examples) yet, he has come on Trisha's show and on an interview with MB there was a shot gun on the table. Yet, he hasn't at anytime pleaded or threatened anyone to the effect "if you hurt my boy" etc. even now. I don't believe the media would cut anything out like that, since he is either a POI or a suspect (clearly) at least in the publics eye. To the media, that is a SOUND BITE they want to capture...I remember Somer Thompson's Mom, when after Somer was found and she said "we are commin' to get you." Elaine called the person "a monster", Mark is only talking about clinical detailed, scattered remains. But, he had a gun ready when his son was going to get media at his place. REALLY???

Don't forget the January interview where Cory pointed out that when MR felt he was in the right about something, he would never let you forget it. Doesn't match with word salad, IMO.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

This is just MO, Mark tries to come across as a real straight-shooter. He ducked the media on numerous occasions earlier on (not answering calls and with Brandon were two examples) yet, he has come on Trisha's show and on an interview with MB there was a shot gun on the table. Yet, he hasn't at anytime pleaded or threatened anyone to the effect "if you hurt my boy" etc. even now. I don't believe the media would cut anything out like that, since he is either a POI or a suspect (clearly) at least in the publics eye. To the media, that is a SOUND BITE they want to capture...I remember Somer Thompson's Mom, when after Somer was found and she said "we are commin' to get you." Elaine called the person "a monster", Mark is only talking about detailed, scattered remains. But, he had a gun ready when his son was going to get media. REALLY???

BBM
If Mark felt that Dylan was kidnapped, I don't think that it would be a good idea to threaten the kidnapper. How would that help?

Media has limited time and space for story's and they edit a lot of stuff. MOO.

 

[Linda7NJ]

One of my biggest issues with him is he always somehow makes it all about him. IMO

It's almost like he's saying "why do bad things always happen to me?"

 

[Dee10]

BBM
If Mark felt that Dylan was kidnapped, I don't think that it would be a good idea to threaten the kidnapper. How would that help?

Media has limited time and space for story's and they edit a lot of stuff. MOO.

I agree, but where he seems to be the villain...wouldn't they jump on a quote that Mark wants to hold someone else responsible (since he unfortunately is not kidnapped)? The press certainly quotes MR's theories...which of course is always of interest.

 

[Ghostwheel]

I think it helps unite the community and they feel like they're doing something and memorializing a child. I'm sure everyone feels powerless ... But this is something positive they can do.

My daughter finds this practice creepy. She says she understands how people seem to think this memorializes a murdered child, but she thinks it memorializes them incorrectly. Why do people always pick the place the person died. Why not pick a place they lived, a place where people have GOOD memories of the deceased. I can't say I disagree with her.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I agree, but where he seems to be the villain...wouldn't they jump on a quote that Mark wants to hold someone else responsible (since he unfortunately is not kidnapped)? The press certainly quotes MR's theories...which of course is always of interest.

I'm not sure if I understand you. Are you saying that since Dylan's remains have been found, Mark should have verbally stated that he is innocent and that he wants the perpetrator found and brought to justice?

I gave up a long time ago trying to figure out why the press publishes what they do and leaves out the important things. MOO.

 

[kkdj]

What's the deal with the two different versions of items found?

I always thought it was really odd Mark claimed just shoelaces...

Makes far more sense that a shoe was found.

Baffling... Any ideas on that?

Mark is lying?
LE lied to mark?

 

[Ghostwheel]

BBM
If Mark felt that Dylan was kidnapped, I don't think that it would be a good idea to threaten the kidnapper. How would that help?

Media has limited time and space for story's and they edit a lot of stuff. MOO.

What you say could make sense for when Dylan was missing, but what about now that he's been found. Do you think it is a normal reaction to not speak about wanting the perpetrator of this crime against his son to be arrested? Or do you think that the media edits out any comments that Mark makes about making sure the perp gets arrested so they don't do this to any other family? (Or did he say this in an article I missed-it could have happened)

 

[Pensfan]

One of my biggest issues with him is he always somehow makes it all about him. IMO

It's almost like he's saying "why do bad things always happen to me?"

DARVO
http://dynamic.uoregon.edu/~jjf/defineDARVO.html

 

[cluciano63]

I think if MR made a statement about needing to know who did this, needing to see an arrest, it could be powerful and would probably be left in an interview. JMO

 

[Ghostwheel]

DARVO
http://dynamic.uoregon.edu/~jjf/defineDARVO.html

Fascinating read. Thank you!

 

[Deleted member 39678]

What you say could make sense for when Dylan was missing, but what about now that he's been found. Do you think it is a normal reaction to not speak about wanting the perpetrator of this crime against his son to be arrested? Or do you thing that the media edits out any comments that Mark makes about making sure the perp gets arrested so they don't do this to any other family? (Or was this in an article I missed-it could have happened)

Like I told Dee10, I don't have a clue why the media does what they do. Plus I've been out of town for a few weeks and didn't even know that Dylan was found until I got home Monday night. I have not even come close to getting caught up in this case and I don't know what Mark has said let alone know what may have been edited. MOO.

 

[Dee10]

I'm not sure if I understand you. Are you saying that since Dylan's remains have been found, Mark should have verbally stated that he is innocent and that he wants the perpetrator found and brought to justice?

I gave up a long time ago trying to figure out why the press publishes what they do and leaves out the important things. MOO.

No, not at all (on the BBM), if he is innocent, but yes, common sense on the second part...instead of like I said of focusing on the clinical details as he did or is doing, why is he not "focused" on the murder? It doesn't make sense to me or my hubby.

 

[Linda7NJ]

My daughter finds this practice creepy. She says she understands how people seem to think this memorializes a murdered child, but she thinks it memorializes them incorrectly. Why do people always pick the place the person died. Why not pick a place they lived, a place where people have GOOD memories of the deceased. I can't say I disagree with her.

I agree.

I think a really nice plaque or something somewhere he loved and spent a lot of time. For example, if he loved baseball and played on a team, a nice plaque somewhere on the home field would be better. IMO anyway.

I'm sure for those that love him, he will always be part of that mountain... literally. It will always be "his" mountain to them.

 

[Mitsana]

The U.S. Department of Justic, Bureau of Justice Statistics, published a Special Report on Murder in Families (http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/mf.pdf). Table 9 includes data on the percentages of premeditated murder vs other types of murder for parents killing children. The possibility of such data being relevant here is JMO.

“First-degree murder” 63.1
“Other murder” 22.8
"Voluntary or nonnegligent manslaughter” 14.1

(From the note in the table:
“First-degree murder” refers to premeditated murder of felony murder; “other murder” refers to nonpremeditated murder; and “voluntary or nonnegligent manslaughter” refers to intentional killing without malice.)

So, parents apparently kill children in a premeditated fashion more often than an unpremeditated fashion, but not by a whole lot. One could argue that for a 13-year-old child, the odds are likely to be more unbalanced. But I would guess that even after that adjustment, the possibility of a non-premeditated murder shouldn't be dismissed.

 

[katydid23]

DARVO
http://dynamic.uoregon.edu/~jjf/defineDARVO.html

DARVO refers to a reaction perpetrators of wrong doing, particularly sexual offenders, may display in response to being held accountable for their behavior. DARVO stands for "Deny, Attack, and Reverse Victim and Offender." The perpetrator or offender may Deny the behavior, Attack the individual doing the confronting, and Reverse the roles of Victim and Offender such that the perpetrator assumes the victim role and turns the true victim into an alleged offender. This occurs, for instance, when an actually guilty perpetrator assumes the role of "falsely accused" and attacks the accuser's credibility or even blames the accuser of being the perpetrator of a false accusation.


wow. That sounds exactly like someone we discuss here.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Mark is lying?
LE lied to mark?

Right.

I was looking for opinions on which one? I can't decide.. So I was looking for reasons others feel one way or the other.