Dylan Redwine Case Discussion Thread/Dylan's Remains Found, #2

[Angelonline]

A lot of good info in the media thread for those looking. I know Ranch was asking about interviews done after Dylans remains were found and others have asked about different articles. Check it out - http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=191821&page=6

 

[Ghostwheel]

I'm not sure where the information about Dylan's parents being asked not to divulge any information came from then - if you could link me up that would be great, as it hardly seems like something LE would have stated in their press conference or any subsequent interviews with journalists. Maybe this is one of those rumors that has grown legs - that Dylan's parents were asked to keep the terrible news under their hats for one or two days, but MR jumped the gun? If that isn't the case, does it matter that he revealed that info before Elaine or Cory decided to speak to the media about the same subject matter? It's not like he is some bystander or non-related person (and let's face it there are thousands of them speaking pretty frankly about poor Dylan and his family right now) who has inserted himself into the investigation and has no business speaking about his own son. IMO, as Dylan's parents both Elaine and Mark were perfectly entitled to speak to the media at a time of their own choosing, which they both did - as someone who sees both parents as victims at this point, it doesn't matter IMO which spoke about the tragic news about Dylan first or in how much detail.

I haven't seen any MSM or LE releases stating that ER was informed a couple of days before MR. I do recall MSM reports that both parents had been asked to meet at the sheriff's office for some sort of briefing, and that we were all on tenterhooks waiting for news.

BBM: It's not that he said anything before other family members, it's that he is giving out information that LE might want to be kept quiet. If one assumes that the perp is NOT Mark, then he has just given out information that could jeopardize the case against whomever committed the act. A parent should not want to jeopardize a case against whomever killed their son, and if told not to talk to media, should not talk to media, even if it might have been for only a certain amount of time (I have no knowledge of that, that is just a possibility).

 

[NC Analyzer]

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http://www.9news.com/news/article/342416/71/Remains-of-missing-Dylan-Redwine-found

The remains of Dylan Redwine were found about 10 miles away from his father's house. *

Dylan Redwine's father, Mark Redwine, arrived at the*La Plata County Sheriff's Office Thursday morning to be briefed about the discoveries.*

Redwine's mother, Elaine Redwine, had been briefed earlier this week

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This came from reporter Kevin Torres twitter. He has been covering this case since Dec and spoke with Bender on the day the remains were discovered.
"Family instructed not to talk to media"
https://twitter.com/kevinltorres

A lot of good info in the media thread for those looking. I know Ranch was asking about interviews done after Dylans remains were found and others have asked about different articles. Check it out - http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=191821&page=6

Thanks so much for the links. It is amazing to me that MR just continues to talk, talk, talk, despite being asked not to discuss the case. I do believe he behaves in this manner to shock and cause pain. His focus never wavers from Elaine.

 

[MissJ]

Mark said he argued and argued with LE that Dylan was still texting after the 8:01pm cellphone text. First, Mark did not know what Dylan was doing on his iPod or cellphone. Dylan could have been playing a game. Secondly, Mark is the only person to tell us the last communication at 9:37pm came from the iPod touch. Elaine nor LE have confirmed this. What if the last communication was NOT from either? What if the last communication (texting) came from a laptop? It would have a completely different device ID than the cell and iPod. Someone may be caught in a lie.

Just jumping off your post....but why did he need to argue (about this issue) with LE anyway? Maybe I missed something?:twocents:

 

[katydid23]

I'm not sure where the information about Dylan's parents being asked not to divulge any information came from then - if you could link me up that would be great, as it hardly seems like something LE would have stated in their press conference or any subsequent interviews with journalists. Maybe this is one of those rumors that has grown legs - that Dylan's parents were asked to keep the terrible news under their hats for one or two days, but MR jumped the gun? If that isn't the case, does it matter that he revealed that info before Elaine or Cory decided to speak to the media about the same subject matter? It's not like he is some bystander or non-related person (and let's face it there are thousands of them speaking pretty frankly about poor Dylan and his family right now) who has inserted himself into the investigation and has no business speaking about his own son. IMO, as Dylan's parents both Elaine and Mark were perfectly entitled to speak to the media at a time of their own choosing, which they both did - as someone who sees both parents as victims at this point, it doesn't matter IMO which spoke about the tragic news about Dylan first or in how much detail.

I haven't seen any MSM or LE releases stating that ER was informed a couple of days before MR. I do recall MSM reports that both parents had been asked to meet at the sheriff's office for some sort of briefing, and that we were all on tenterhooks waiting for news.

Elaine, Cory and MH were all AT THE SEARCH when the remains were found. Because they were there, I think it would have been evident that something 'big' was happening. When you are at a massive search, when something like a bone or a shirt is found, it tends to reverberate through the masses.

 

[Ghostwheel]

My understanding of the timeline is the following.

LE briefed ER on Tuesday and MR on Thursday. I originally thought both were briefed on Thursday (which was reported by an MSM article), but other posters pointed out that the article was wrong; she was actually told Tuesday and MR wasn't told until Thursday since he was out of town. (As an aside, I do not agree with the posters who find it suspicious he is out of town during different events. He's a trucker. He has to be out of town in order to work.)

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BBM:I don't find it suspicious that he has to be out of town to work, just that he has to be out of town for every event that I could find and every search since the one where he told Brandon it was stupid to search Middle Mountain. That's what I find odd. It would be especially odd if reports that he was invited to the search where his son was found are accurate. (I haven't found any sources that actually confirm that) JMO.

 

[MissJ]

JMO but I can't imagine a kidnapper insisting that DR bring his backpack and all his things. JMO but I don't think DR set out for a walk to a friend's house with all his things. JMO

 

[Mitsana]

Others have provided info about about "Family instructed not to talk to media" (per Kevin Torres) and ER being briefed earlier in the week than MR. I'll just respond to this point:

IMO, as Dylan's parents both Elaine and Mark were perfectly entitled to speak to the media at a time of their own choosing, which they both did - as someone who sees both parents as victims at this point, it doesn't matter IMO which spoke about the tragic news about Dylan first or in how much detail.

I agree that people are entitled to handle things with the media differently. But I believe people are entitled to speculate about those differences. MR's behavior alone would not cause me to focus attention on him. But I don't think the behavior of people is irrelevant in considering different possibilities.

 

[Eileen730]

BBM: It's not that he said anything before other family members, it's that he is giving out information that LE might want to be kept quiet. If one assumes that the perp is NOT Mark, then he has just given out information that could jeopardize the case against whomever committed the act. A parent should not want to jeopardize a case against whomever killed their son, and if told not to talk to media, should not talk to media, even if it might have been for only a certain amount of time (I have no knowledge of that, that is just a possibility).

As I see it Mark knew exactly what he was doing!

 

[NC Analyzer]

BBM:I don't find it suspicious that he has to be out of town to work, just that he has to be out of town for every event that I could find and every search since the one where he told Brandon it was stupid to search Middle Mountain. That's what I find odd. It would be especially odd if reports that he was invited to the search where his son was found are accurate. (I haven't found any sources that actually confirm that) JMO.

I haven't found any sources that confirm he is actually working at this time or even within the past few months.

 

[Ghostwheel]

I haven't found any sources that confirm he is actually working at this time or even within the past few months.

There is that, too....

 

[La Louve]

Here is one. It was a phone interview:

On the remains found (which the family was asked not to talk about per Kevin Torres Posts)
"They found, I think, they said two femurs, a shoulder blade , bone or something to do with his shoulder."

On how he felt now that it was considered a homicide:
"If they feel like I had any involvement with it, then why am I standing on my front porch having this conversation with you?" Redwine said.

Read more: http://www.koat.com/news/new-mexico...20741554/-/e4vup9z/-/index.html#ixzz2Y38fMxmQ

There are more buried in these threads and on the internet that he did in person. I'm sure you can locate them with a little searching.

BBM Mark seems to assume that LE considers him the perpetrator of said homicide. Odd response to the question, IMO.

 

[Crosby87]

Although tears were shed in Vallecito and nearby communities on Thursday, the news wasn't entirely a shock. Those who work at the Schank House restaurant had been watching search crews in hiking gear venture in and out of the mountain all week. When sheriff's cars — but no firetrucks — came down the road late Wednesday, they sensed a grim development.

"Everyone was in anticipation and hoping they'd find something," said Lisa Crombie, who works at the restaurant where Dylan's mother and brother, Cory, dined earlier in the week. Their body language told her something was wrong, Crombie said.

Crombie remembered the quiet but troubled Dylan coming through her lunch line when she worked for Bayfield School District.

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingn...-found-middle-mountain-colorado#ixzz2Y6Mioyoa

 

[Ghostwheel]

Just jumping off your post....but why did he need to argue (about this issue) with LE anyway? Maybe I missed something?:twocents:

It is my belief that Mark wanted to make sure that it was noted that Dylan was texting later than 8:01 for some reason. Whether or not it was actually Dylan doing the texting remains to be seen.

 

[windrower]

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/coroner-remains-dont-reveal-how-dylan-redwine-died


What does "were found in a drainage" mean?I am not familar with that term, TIA.

A drainage is a lower elevation area into which the surrounding higher elevations drain snowmelt, rain, etc. A drainage area can be rather small in size, or can be miles long, depending on the topography.

 

[katydid23]

Although tears were shed in Vallecito and nearby communities on Thursday, the news wasn't entirely a shock. Those who work at the Schank House restaurant had been watching search crews in hiking gear venture in and out of the mountain all week. When sheriff's cars — but no firetrucks — came down the road late Wednesday, they sensed a grim development.

"Everyone was in anticipation and hoping they'd find something," said Lisa Crombie, who works at the restaurant where Dylan's mother and brother, Cory, dined earlier in the week. Their body language told her something was wrong, Crombie said.

Crombie remembered the quiet but troubled Dylan coming through her lunch line when she worked for Bayfield School District.

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingn...-found-middle-mountain-colorado#ixzz2Y6Mioyoa

And if the employees at the Schank House knew something was up, then so did Elaine and her family. And since she had been working so intimately for so long with LE, imo, they would have given her a heads up about the bones they found.

 

[Ghostwheel]

Although tears were shed in Vallecito and nearby communities on Thursday, the news wasn't entirely a shock. Those who work at the Schank House restaurant had been watching search crews in hiking gear venture in and out of the mountain all week. When sheriff's cars — but no firetrucks — came down the road late Wednesday, they sensed a grim development.

"Everyone was in anticipation and hoping they'd find something," said Lisa Crombie, who works at the restaurant where Dylan's mother and brother, Cory, dined earlier in the week. Their body language told her something was wrong, Crombie said.

Crombie remembered the quiet but troubled Dylan coming through her lunch line when she worked for Bayfield School District.

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingn...-found-middle-mountain-colorado#ixzz2Y6Mioyoa

BBM: And yet Mark was "blindsided" ( To catch or take unawares). The wording makes me think that it was not that he didn't expect Dylan to be deceased, but that he didn't expect Dylan to be found.

 

[margarita25]

DARVO
http://dynamic.uoregon.edu/~jjf/defineDARVO.html

Excellent link, thank you.

 

[margarita25]

I think if MR made a statement about needing to know who did this, needing to see an arrest, it could be powerful and would probably be left in an interview. JMO

I agree.

 

[margarita25]

DARVO refers to a reaction perpetrators of wrong doing, particularly sexual offenders, may display in response to being held accountable for their behavior. DARVO stands for "Deny, Attack, and Reverse Victim and Offender." The perpetrator or offender may Deny the behavior, Attack the individual doing the confronting, and Reverse the roles of Victim and Offender such that the perpetrator assumes the victim role and turns the true victim into an alleged offender. This occurs, for instance, when an actually guilty perpetrator assumes the role of "falsely accused" and attacks the accuser's credibility or even blames the accuser of being the perpetrator of a false accusation.


wow. That sounds exactly like someone we discuss here.

It sure does. Sounds exactly like someone we discuss here.