Dylan Redwine Case Discussion Thread/Dylan's Remains Found, #2

[NC Analyzer]

Mark should never of revealed anything about what was found on the search. It is a crime scene and so why on earth would you let the would be perp have such details ?

:cow:

Not to mention, why on earth would you want to openly discuss the gory details of your child's remains within hours of finding out your missing child was identified? Who does that? I've never heard of any parent talking like that. The man has no respect...for himself or for his deceased child. Horrible.

 

[rosesfromangels]

But they are saying the same thing with the little girl found in the street in TX...so I am no longer so sure. One LEA or the other is not telling the truth, IMO.

Well you make a good point. I can only speculate they dont want to tip their hand at anything that would jeopordize a sucessful prosecution, be precipitous in arresting, or put themselves at risk for a lawsuit. We have laws that protect innocent citizens, but often they hamstring criminal prosecution. One thing is for sure. There is no punishment on earth compared with what will be metered out to this individual come judgement day. Their only chance of redemption is to confess and accept the consequences of their actions. My opinion only of course.

 

[asyousay]

Now, I know I've had enough for the day when I saw this quote in this 6/27 interview ..... significant or not .... more deflection and blame.

"For the loving, caring peacemaker that he was,” Mark Redwine said. “I know that it was difficult for his mom and I to go through such a bitter divorce and I did everything I could to keep him out of the middle of it. He struggled with that and I'm not sure he felt he could talk to either of his parents about that and that's what's also hard."

http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S3082040.shtml?cat=500

He must have a short memory span as i wonder how he kept Dylan out of it when he had sex on a lawn with another woman when Elaine , Cory and Dylan was home?!?

 

[vasportsmom]

Now, I know I've had enough for the day when I saw this quote in this 6/27 interview ..... significant or not .... more deflection and blame.

"For the loving, caring peacemaker that he was,” Mark Redwine said. “I know that it was difficult for his mom and I to go through such a bitter divorce and I did everything I could to keep him out of the middle of it. He struggled with that and I'm not sure he felt he could talk to either of his parents about that and that's what's also hard."

http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S3082040.shtml?cat=500

Reading stuff like that makes me see red. Does he think that we aren't aware of just how miserable of a record he has as a parent? Not a single ONE of his GROWN children will have a thing to do with him. They don't want him in their lives or their children's and that was the case even before Dylan disappeared on his watch.

If we believe his story then he is such a great dad that on day 1, after 2 months of not seeing his child, he left him home alone for 4+ hours to "run errands" and when he finally returned home and discovered Dylan missing he took a freaking nap. So please Mark, tell me more about your parenting adventures and attempts to protect Dylan. His obsession with Elaine is getting really, really creepy. IMO everything that he has said and done has been carefully weighed for the effect it will have on her.

 

[cluciano63]

Well you make a good point. I can only speculate they dont want to tip their hand at anything that would jeopordize a sucessful prosecution, be precipitous in arresting, or put themselves at risk for a lawsuit. We have laws that protect innocent citizens, but often they hamstring criminal prosecution. One thing is for sure. There is no punishment on earth compared with what will be metered out to this individual come judgement day. Their only chance of redemption is to confess and accept the consequences of their actions. My opinion only of course.

But, IMO, LE has no business telling a community not to worry when no arrest has been made. They can't know what a suspect might do. Unless their suspect is in jail or dead, they should not say this, IMO. If they had enough to convict, there would be an arrest. So they don't, which means they can't be sure. I just find it very frustrating and would think locals would too.

 

[NC Analyzer]

He must have a short memory span as i wonder how he kept Dylan out of it when he had sex on a lawn with another woman when Elaine , Cory and Dylan was home?!?

He is so focused on that divorce it amazes me. It was more than 5 years ago, yet he discusses it like it was a recent occurrence. Most people have moved on after a year or so, yet he just can't seem to let it go. The constant court actions, the continual references to the divorce being something that would cause problems for Dylan. WHY? I bet Dylan could barely remember when his parents were together and it was probably something that he didn't give much thought toward. Most kids adjust quickly after a short period of time...especially when they are as young as Dylan was. It's a shame MR didn't make that adjustment as well as Elaine and her boys.

 

[asyousay]

Reading stuff like that makes me see red. Does he think that we aren't aware of just how miserable of a record he has as a parent? Not a single ONE of his GROWN children will have a thing to do with him. They don't want him in their lives or their children's and that was the case even before Dylan disappeared on his watch.

If we believe his story then he is such a great dad that on day 1, after 2 months of not seeing his child, he left him home alone for 4+ hours to "run errands" and when he finally returned home and discovered Dylan missing he took a freaking nap. So please Mark, tell me more about your parenting adventures and attempts to protect Dylan. His obsession with Elaine is getting really, really creepy. IMO everything that he has said and done has been carefully weighed for the effect it will have on her.

It is odd that Dylan seems to have been the only child he had where he had some kind of a relationship with them and look how that has ended up. Cory said on the Dr Phil show

“I don’t like you, I hate you, and you have been nothing of a father for the last 10 years,” Cory says to his father.

:cow:

 

[cluciano63]

I keep telling myself that Jennifer Ramsaran's husband was not arrested for about two months after her body was found, and then it turned out LE had evidence from the start.

 

[AnotherSetOfEyes]

It is odd that Dylan seems to have been the only child he had where he had some kind of a relationship with them and look how that has ended up. Cory said on the Dr Phil show

:cow:

Interesting, isn't it? Cory remembers his relationship with his father deteriorating at around 11. Right about when a child starts to break off and become their own person.

 

[Darcyline]

I was on vacation for a week and this is my first time posting since Dylan's remains were found so forewarning this is going to be rambling and convoluted if you want to skip.
One thing I did on vacation was visit my sister's grave with my Dad. She was just a baby when she died and she is buried in the children's section of a beautiful cemetery in Illinois. As a family, we rarely speak of her and this is actually the first time I have been taken to her grave. That sounds cold, but the pain was so immense my parents did what they had to do to survive which was to shut down about that particular aspect of their lives. We brought her a toy and weeded and looked around a bit at her "friends" buried around her. There were toys and pinwheels and baseballs and mitts and pictures. It was seriously one of the most heart-breaking moments of my life to see the pain in my father's face and voice.
I think everyone knows a dead child is tragic, but I feel like visiting my sister's grave made me realize just how tragic it is. Children aren't supposed to die. I could feel the pain of the parents and families having to leave toys on a grave instead of in their babies' hands. And nothing will ever really make it better-there will be a hole there forever where something innocent and good was taken from the world too soon.
Dylan's family and especially his poor mother will have to live their entire lives putting baseballs and flowers on a grave that won't even contain most of his body. It is unfathomable.
I am not sure where I stand in my faith, but I am trying to remind myself that Dylan's pain, along with my sister's, and other children has ended either way. I would like to believe that my sister is somewhere safe, perhaps with my grandparents, playing with the toys we left her and waiting for us. I would like to believe Dylan is somewhere playing baseball or sitting with his Grandmother.
Whoever did this will probably never comprehend the devastation he has introduced into so many lives, but I hope justice is around the corner.

 

[rosesfromangels]

I was on vacation for a week and this is my first time posting since Dylan's remains were found so forewarning this is going to be rambling and convoluted if you want to skip.
One thing I did on vacation was visit my sister's grave with my Dad. She was just a baby when she died and she is buried in the children's section of a beautiful cemetery in Illinois. As a family, we rarely speak of her and this is actually the first time I have been taken to her grave. That sounds cold, but the pain was so immense my parents did what they had to do to survive which was to shut down about that particular aspect of their lives. We brought her a toy and weeded and looked around a bit at her "friends" buried around her. There were toys and pinwheels and baseballs and mitts and pictures. It was seriously one of the most heart-breaking moments of my life to see the pain in my father's face and voice.
I think everyone knows a dead child is tragic, but I feel like visiting my sister's grave made me realize just how tragic it is. Children aren't supposed to die. I could feel the pain of the parents and families having to leave toys on a grave instead of in their babies' hands. And nothing will ever really make it better-there will be a hole there forever where something innocent and good was taken from the world too soon.
Dylan's family and especially his poor mother will have to live their entire lives putting baseballs and flowers on a grave that won't even contain most of his body. It is unfathomable.
I am not sure where I stand in my faith, but I am trying to remind myself that Dylan's pain, along with my sister's, and other children has ended either way. I would like to believe that my sister is somewhere safe, perhaps with my grandparents, playing with the toys we left her and waiting for us. I would like to believe Dylan is somewhere playing baseball or sitting with his Grandmother.
Whoever did this will probably never comprehend the devastation he has introduced into so many lives, but I hope justice is around the corner.

So poignant , heartbreaking and beautiful. A huge hug and a beautiful bouquet of roses from angels to you darcyline!

 

[finder108]

It is odd that Dylan seems to have been the only child he had where he had some kind of a relationship with them and look how that has ended up. Cory said on the Dr Phil show

:cow:

I also felt totally disgusted with MR when MR said he'd never forgive CR for saying he hated him (MR) on national tv.

 

[DylansMom34]

Hello fellow Websleuthers. I have been reading but not posting for awhile, the confirmation of Dylan's death is rough. I looked back through some threads and found my first post from the day I learned Dylan was missing. Like so many others, I suspected Dylan was gone probably late Sunday or very early Monday.

I have quite a bit of catching up and reading to do, and at this point I'm sickened by all of this and am so hopeful Dylan's killer is brought to justice very soon. lease:

 

[windrower]

Ransom was the person who helped with searches.

Thank you, Ghostwheel. I should have looked back to refresh my memory. Drat.

 

[AnotherSetOfEyes]

Attached are two screen shots. One shows exactly ten poogle road miles from dads house. The other shows a zoom. Is that Mark's truck? Did a mapping drone help LE target area by mistake? Is this possible?

Amended: this 10 mile spot is NORTH of South bear creek. Maybe Berri creek? It flows to direct to Vallecito creek. Vallecito creek flows down CR 500, in front of Marks house and outlets into the reservoir. ScreenshotView attachment 35413

View attachment 35414

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsOjaB3OoGk

I don't know if the other vehicle in the driveway of MR's home is the 2004 Chevy, but if it is, it is not red. Someone who knows cars better would have to confirm if that gray truck is a 2004 Chevy.

 

[Crosby87]

If Mark did kill Dylan, he's probably very ashamed of what he's done and that's why he won't confess. Maybe Mark can't admit to himself what he's done. Having to admit you killed your own child would be extremely difficult and I suppose that's why parents who kill their children attempt to cover up the crime. MOO

 

[song22]

So many folks think that the "shoe" they found yesterday was not actually found yesterday but was just sloppy reporting. Has anyone tried to ask 9 news to clarify? I don't have twitter, but I've heard some people say KT answers twitter questions quickly. Anyone try to follow up and haven't heard back yet? Anyone want to follow up--or have a suggestion for how to follow up-- and see if they will make it more clear? Thanks!

 

[cluciano63]

If Mark did kill Dylan, he's probably very ashamed of what he's done and that's why he won't confess. Maybe Mark can't admit to himself what he's done. Having to admit you killed your own child would be extremely difficult and I suppose that's why parents who kill their children attempt to cover up the crime. MOO

I think that is partly why so many kids are just "missing" and no arrests, not officially deceased. No one wants to admit to killing a child.

 

[catswhiskers]

Snipped for space and BBM.
This came from reporter Kevin Torres twitter. He has been covering this case since Dec and spoke with Bender on the day the remains were discovered.
"Family instructed not to talk to media"
https://twitter.com/kevinltorres

Thanks Angelonline. I have just gone searching for that snippet from KT, and note that it was tweeted at 12:23pm, soon after he had arrived in La Plata County. He has a flurry of tweets around that time when it seems like the press were being given only general details - in the same few minutes he also tweets "Significant announcement in Dylan Redwine case coming at 2:15pm"

So yes, I have no doubt that the family were asked to hold back until after the press conference. After that I imagine they were free to be interviewed.

Kevin Torres ‏@kevinltorres 27 Jun
After he found out about his brother, Cory Redwine texted his father saying 'God and Dylan know who did this'. Still blames his dad.
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[Ghostwheel]

Yes! I've often thought it would be awesome to have a case fact sheet at the front end of every case and thread, esp with a case like this with 50 some odd threads. If a websleuther gets behind, it is very difficult to catch up, and nearly impossible to find all the posts that convey pertinent, verified information or thought-provoking questions.

If such a fact sheet exists for Dylan's case, I've missed it. And yes, someone would have to create such a sheet, but just think how many posts of repeated material or questions would be eliminated if the facts and questions about a case were compiled in one place? I've seen cases where the same questions are asked over and over by websleuthers new to the discussion, and which could be circumvented by having a cheat sheet, as it were.

Helpful to the newcomers, and helpful to the ongoing discussion, too.

JMO. (And no, I cannot volunteer to be the creator of such a sheet. I wish I could do so.)

I agree, but once you post, you only have a short while to edit it. The best bet we have is over in the Media, Maps and Timeline thread. I have been trying to add any specific links that people seem to always have questions on (like odd quotes and the Kevin Torres facebook quotes and the drain picture, blah, blah, blah) and there are already posts about the last (March 19) LE release, and some maps. If anyone finds that they posted a link and commented on it, then everyone keeps asking about that link, perhaps that link could be added (with a short explanation what the link was about) over in the Media thread? At least everyone could just say "It's in the Media thread."