Dylan Redwine Case Discussion Thread/Dylan's Remains Found

[pinto]

Doesn't add up since he didn't contact anyone after 9:37 pm. His friend texted him in the morning, why didn't he respond? Also, why would someone who picked him up going to friends take him up that mountain? If someone was driving, and picked him up, the body would have likely ended up much further way, IMO.

Could be, but it still isn't verified that his phone wasn't somehow broken, is it? I mean, he could have gotten up to go to the bathroom and dropped his phone in the toilet. It has happened around my house more than once, lol. Yes, there was a landline, but who knows anyone's phone numbers anymore without their cell?

 

[*Lash*]

<Mod Snip>
Hi Pinto!

There is a forensics thread - I hope this helps.

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[SCHMAE]

In the past few days Cory has been very respectful and mature in his interviews. Sharing memories of his brother. Which is what he did at the vigil, he remembered the good about Dylan and paid tribute to his brother. Cory has talked about how it is now time to find justice for Dylan. Sure he sent a text message to his dad but nothing in that message was salacious or unexpected.

Compare Cory's interviews to Mark, a grown man giving interviews discussing in detail the remains that were found on the mountain. Even after LE specifically asked the parents to not discuss what was found. Then letting the world know that Elaine drove by his home and called him a name. At the vigil he told a reporter that he wanted to find all of Dylan's remains and shared how he visited the mountain with LE this weekend. Where are the kind words about Dylan or finding justice?

In the first interview I saw of Cory since , I believe it was with KT and they're at a picnic table, Cory was very UNABLE to discuss Dylan's remains IMHO. He said since ' everything has been found'. He couldn't bring himself, again imho, to say Dylan or bones or anything of the sort. That struck me because it would be so difficult to speak of a loved one in terms of pieces and bones..... at least for some it would.

 

[SCHMAE]

<Mod Snip>
Lash gave you the forensics thread, but there is also a search discussion only thread you might find helpful.
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If anything stands out to you , please share. I think some of us have rehashed the same facts so many times, some start to blur together and we forget important details .

 

[Steely Dan]

Hey beautiful Steely! No one here could get upset by anything you say. Everyone knows you are a rational, intelligent person.

Let me disagree with something though: DAd's story has not stayed the same. He has changed the story when it comes to what he did that day.

If you haven't seen the YouTube videos of the Dr. Phil show featuring the parents and others, please do. (I'm not a Dr Phil fan but there's a lot of telling stuff that occurred on that show). Also, please read the transcripts of his radio interview on Tricia's show. Links to both are on the media thread and the radio thread.

Then let me know if that changes your feeling at all. Also, up thread a bit I gave 17 reasons why I think this case may point to dad. I think there is a TON that differs between this case and Jaycees when it comes to dad as a suspect. Same with many cases where dad is the suspect.

Most share opportunity. Some share the potential of a solid motive.
I think this one has a lot more.

I'm watching the Dr. Phil episode now. The mother said at first that Dylan didn't like going there because of his dad, and then said he didn't like it because it was isolated. Also, she says Dylan didn't know how to thread a fishing pole. While fishing isn't mentioned here, it seems to go at odds with what she said;

http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20130629/NEWS01/130629447/‘He-was-an-amazing-person’

...Wesley Herring, part of Dylan’s close group of friends, helped collect river rocks for people at the ceremony to sign. The rocks will be given to Elaine Redwine for a memorial at her home near Colorado Springs, he said.

“Our hangout spot was at the river,” Herring said. “We spent three-quarters of the summer at the river.”

“It’s not over,” said family friend Kami Jolly. “The next step is justice for Dylan.”

Stepfather was not a suspect, at least officially. Although I imagine he felt like one.

"A few of Jaycee's classmates saw the incident too. Their statements eventually helped investigators confirm that Carl Probyn was not a suspect in the case. But the ordeal shattered the Probyns' marriage nonetheless."
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/sexual_assault/jaycee_dugard/4.html

Thanks, the two stories seem to contradict one another. As I said in another post, a person from that area said the cops were convinced the stepfather did it. If other kids saw the abduction I wonder why they'd think that?

Unfortunately reporting in this day and age sucks. The stepfather wouldn't feel like a suspect, IMO, if the cops had come out publicly and said he wasn't a suspect. If the kids saw her being abducted I'd think they would have publicly cleared him. JMO

 

[jjenny]

Could be, but it still isn't verified that his phone wasn't somehow broken, is it? I mean, he could have gotten up to go to the bathroom and dropped his phone in the toilet. It has happened around my house more than once, lol. Yes, there was a landline, but who knows anyone's phone numbers anymore without their cell?

No, it hasn't been verified that there was anything wrong with his phone.

 

[ColdHands]

WOW, that's pretty stern talk for not crying enough at a funeral ! I'd be in big trouble if they followed me around funerals. I carry a stiff upper lip and its' difficult but it is a choice I make. That said I've never had to lose a child so I don't know what would happen. Also men often are less emotional...it goes on and on. He's a weirdo for sure, but that may be all he is .

To be fair, I'm not on the fence . I'm pretty darn sure MR is responsible of something here, but I'm not ready to string him up for it. If LE arrests him, I will probably be done thinking about the wandering SO's and deputy's contacts and some creepy ice cream truck driver from the area. If LE arrested MR early on , I would wonder if they overlooked something. But they've been super quiet and obviously working their butts off to find this baby and now that they have what they need, if they arrest MR, I won't have much doubt left.

ETA any depiction of a creepy ice cream truck drive in the vallecito area is fictional !

BBM
I agree. I'd be a terrible juror in this case because if LE arrests MR I'd just say, welp, that's it then.

 

[neverletgo]

<Mod Snip>
[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=191821"]Dylan Redwine *Media , Maps & Timelines* - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

 

[gitana1]

I think Elaine was just speaking her worst nightmare...the idea of his bones being out there in the mountains. It is horrible that she was exactly right, but no more, IMO. And MR just smirking away at her. Nothing touched him, not even the image of his child's bones out in the woods.

I think LE told her they had sections of the mountains they needed to search based on cell pings but couldn't until the snow melted.

I don't think anyone's ever asked him publically if he killed Dylan.

Dr. Phil did.

IMO, if MR did this...he said and did too many things. He pushed the fishing pole, yet all of Dylan's stuff was gone, which makes no sense IF Dylan decided to toss the line in the (miles away) lake while he waited for his ride. Why would he take everything he came with, and a fishing pole? Even if he was going to T.'s or to R.'s, why take everything? I feel like having ALL of Dylan's stuff being gone may turn out to be a mistake, if he is guilty. It makes no sense. If he had gone to where the RSO lived, as MR suggested at one time, why take his stuff? Even his dirty underwear...or we are supposed to assume Dylan left without even changing his socks and underwear? Yeah, I doubt it. And if he did, doubt he would stuff dirty ones in with his clean clothes. Some of his stuff should have been there, if he had gone out to pass time, or even look for a ride.

But NOTHING explains not answering calls or texts, before anything else.

Taking all of his stuff and a pole would make sense if he ran away, IMO. Not using his phone could be a part of that scenario but only if he stopped using it around the time he left. His last text activity was at 9:37 am. Dad says he saw him the next morning.

If, indeed, Dylan was irritated at being stuck at his dad's and plotting to go visit a friend and not return, he would take everything. This would fall under the "picked-up-by-bad-guy-while-hitchhiking" scenario.

Yes, but LE's statement that the community had nothing to fear kind of negates a stranger or non-fAmily abduction scenario.

<Mod Snip>
The media thread would be great. Just all the facts in chronological order as published by various articles and tv shows.

 

[mysticrose]

I think cory came to this deduction from living with the man not by what his mother has said about him. I think Cory has behaved more like a man then Mark has! Personally I don't fear for Corys mental health! Elaine nor Cory cant be hurt anymore by this man. No more getting taken to court, child support, visitation,,, AFAISI there is really no reason for him to talk to them ever again.

Parents do have alot of influence on their children in regards to words said. As for Cory's well being, knowing /not knowing that your father may have harmed / not harmed your younger brother would be very difficult to handle. Anger, rage, sadness, depression would be extreme, which is cause for concern.

There could and probally will be reasons to talk to them again, depending on what is concluded from the investigation. One may not know until the time comes......imhoo

 

[Chili Fries]

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The problem is that there is very little to go on that is independent from what Mark says, his behavior or his past (or from what Elaine has said contradicting his assertions). It's pretty much:

- Dylan was communicating regularly with friends until 9:37 the night before he went missing. There was no communication from him after that. There are also no confirmed sightings of Dylan after Mark and him left the Durango area earlier that evening.

- LE said they cleared area RSO's.

- Dylan's friends said he initiated them hitchhiking as a group once during a snowstorm.

There may be a few more things others can come up with, but not much. Everything else is centered around Mark.

 

[*Lash*]

I guess I should have added more details. Mersault (?sp) smoked a cigarette, drank coffee, then fell asleep. He wanted silence and privacy and was annoyed that the caretaker sat and chatted with him all night. The whole point that we learned back in college was that society expects certain behaviors and that it is wrong to hold people to our expectations, and also to then judge subsequent acts based on our learned bias. I was an impressionable kid and it was the first time that I was introduced to an existentialist philosophy. I always remember "The Stranger" when I read about cases so I don't fall into that trap, but it's hard within a cultural context.

I totally agree with your thoughts on expectations of our learned behaviors, but I believe many people on this forum are educated in the same philosophy and know to watch for this trap. Deducing all behaviors and actions, using critical thinking skills and not necessarily judging on their learned behaviors.

 

[SCHMAE]

Does anyone know for sure what day the road became impassable ? Do they close it or do they wait until mother nature closes it and then close it ? Do they put up little barriers, road closed signs that you cannot get around ? Or is it ' at your own risk' type of ' closure? I would like to know what days it was completely UNABLE to be driven up by ANYONE or is there no such time? Are you free to go up on snowmobiles in that area if the roads are closed? Is that possible?

 

[iSleuth]

Pretty much every case of a missing child that involves a dad has the dad as a suspect at some point. That factor does not make the cases similarly distinct.

But you said this case reminds you of Amber's case because it similarly involves a father as a suspect when a stranger was to blame. I'm quite certain that LE has not indicated a stranger was involved in this case. In fact, the most that can be gleaned by LE's statements that remotely points away from the family would tend to suggest a runaway scenario involving an accident of some sort.

http://s1297.photobucket.com/user/Salem154/media/Redwineitemsseized_zpsb72c4989.jpg.html?sort=3&o=4

 

[iSleuth]

Does anyone know for sure what day the road became impassable ? Do they close it or do they wait until mother nature closes it and then close it ? Do they put up little barriers, road closed signs that you cannot get around ? Or is it ' at your own risk' type of ' closure? I would like to know what days it was completely UNABLE to be driven up by ANYONE or is there no such time? Are you free to go up on snowmobiles in that area if the roads are closed? Is that possible?

I keep thinking about the Iowa cousins, Lyric and Elizabeth whose bodies were discovered in the open - but in a park that was soon to be closed for the season.

 

[*Lash*]

I'm watching the Dr. Phil episode now. The mother said at first that Dylan didn't like going there because of his dad, and then said he didn't like it because it was isolated. Also, she says Dylan didn't know how to thread a fishing pole. While fishing isn't mentioned here, it seems to go at odds with what she said;

http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20130629/NEWS01/130629447/‘He-was-an-amazing-person’

...Wesley Herring, part of Dylan&#8217;s close group of friends, helped collect river rocks for people at the ceremony to sign. The rocks will be given to Elaine Redwine for a memorial at her home near Colorado Springs, he said.

&#8220;Our hangout spot was at the river,&#8221; Herring said. &#8220;We spent three-quarters of the summer at the river.&#8221;

&#8220;It&#8217;s not over,&#8221; said family friend Kami Jolly. &#8220;The next step is justice for Dylan.&#8221;



Thanks, the two stories seem to contradict one another. As I said in another post, a person from that area said the cops were convinced the stepfather did it. If other kids saw the abduction I wonder why they'd think that?

Unfortunately reporting in this day and age sucks. The stepfather wouldn't feel like a suspect, IMO, if the cops had come out publicly and said he wasn't a suspect. If the kids saw her being abducted I'd think they would have publicly cleared him. JMO

I noticed this same quote. Dylan's friend have told us in the past that they liked to hangout at Pine River. Cory also speaks of Dylan fishing and hiking. In my opinion, the key difference here is Dylan did not do these things alone. He wasn't the type of kid to go fishing or hiking alone.

 

[gitana1]

I'm watching the Dr. Phil episode now. The mother said at first that Dylan didn't like going there because of his dad, and then said he didn't like it because it was isolated. Also, she says Dylan didn't know how to thread a fishing pole. While fishing isn't mentioned here, it seems to go at odds with what she said;

http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20130629/NEWS01/130629447/‘He-was-an-amazing-person’

...Wesley Herring, part of Dylan’s close group of friends, helped collect river rocks for people at the ceremony to sign. The rocks will be given to Elaine Redwine for a memorial at her home near Colorado Springs, he said.

“Our hangout spot was at the river,” Herring said. “We spent three-quarters of the summer at the river.”

“It’s not over,” said family friend Kami Jolly. “The next step is justice for Dylan.”



Thanks, the two stories seem to contradict one another. As I said in another post, a person from that area said the cops were convinced the stepfather did it. If other kids saw the abduction I wonder why they'd think that?

Unfortunately reporting in this day and age sucks. The stepfather wouldn't feel like a suspect, IMO, if the cops had come out publicly and said he wasn't a suspect. If the kids saw her being abducted I'd think they would have publicly cleared him. JMO

Actually, it was the reverse. First she said he didn't like to go because it was isolated. Then she added that he didn't want to be with his dad.

There is a ton of evidence that Dylan indeed, did not want to go with his dad. So while she omitted that fact in her initial statement, it is not inconsistent with the truth. I think she may have initial tried to be diplomatic. It's at minute 10:30 I believe. I would urge you to watch the whole thing first.

As to Dylan's fondness for the river being inconsistent with her statement that he wasn't into fishing, I don't see that. Many rivers have a ton of water sports including just swimming that don't involve fishing. Tubing and rafting and just hanging out are popular.

 

[cluciano63]

Mark's stories have not really been consistent. He had several versions as to how he tried to wake Dylan, from him being dead to the world to Dylan waking and speaking to him. He also indicated initially that he and Dylan were great together, tossing the football, choosing movies etc. and more recently came out with statements indicating the night was rather tension-filled, IMO. I do not have links handy but I am sure the transcripts from the radio shows are posted, as well as early interviews for comparison.

 

[SCHMAE]

Actually, it was the reverse. First she said he didn't like to go because it was isolated. Then she added that he didn't want to be with his dad.

There is a ton of evidence that Dylan indeed, did not want to go with his dad. So while she omitted that fact in her initial statement, it is not inconsistent with the truth. I think she may have initial tried to be diplomatic. It's at minute 10:30 I believe. I would urge you to watch the whole thing first.

As to Dylan's fondness for the river being inconsistent with her statement that he wasn't into fishing, I don't see that. Many rivers have a ton of water sports including just swimming that don't involve fishing. Tubing and rafting and just hanging out are popular.

In one of the earliest videos we saw of Dylan, he was jumping off of cliffs into the river with his friends and they commented on what a daredevil he was. There were no pics of him fishing with his friends but still hanging at the river. I think a lot of kids like to go do ' things' with their friends and family. If that's fishing, so be it, if it's 4 wheeling so be it. That's a big difference in an avid fisherman who jumps out of bed at the crack of dawn to go fishing by himself.

 

[Steely Dan]

BBM
I agree. I'd be a terrible juror in this case because if LE arrests MR I'd just say, welp, that's it then.

If the police arrest MR, I'll change my tune.

So far on the Dr. Phil show it seems the mother is hell bent on blaming the father. It seems she has an axe to grind from before this whole thing happened and she's using this to get back at him.

It appears the mother <modsnip> and the father was trying to protect them from her and asked his lawyer to help. I think that incensed her. She claims that Mark put a dead rodent in her truck and I find that hard to believe. I get the feeling that the mother has it out for him because he tried to keep Dylan and his brother away from her.

When Dr. Phil asks whether she called him or not, he says she didn't and she says she did. Then she says "Why should I have to call you?". To me that sounds like she was lying about calling him. JMO

Then we have the father admitting to domestic violence in his first marriage. However, Dylan's mother never says Mark was physical in his discipline of the boys.

What MR said on Tricia's show is that he couldn't talk to his wife because all she'd do is yell and accuse him. I'm seeing that in this Dr. Phil interview. The mother sent him without a coat in November and all she can say is; "Why is it always my fault."

His lie detector test was "incoclusive". That doesn't mean he's failed. He also says the person who did the polygraph wasn't qualified.

I think there are good reasons to suspect the father, but I wouldn't let the mother off the hook totally. Personally, I think it was probably someone Dylan knew.

As far as his taking a nap when he got home, that's a little hinky, but to me not unbelievable. When I was a kid there was a big wooded area across the street from our house and my mom would let us go out for hours and then call us in for dinner. There are a lot of people on this board who've said they don't lock their doors because of the town they live in. It appears that Dylan disappeared from a very small town. The father probably thought that Dylan being abducted wasn't a worry.

Those are my thoughts on part 1. I'm starting to watch part 2 now.


Dr. Phil part 1;

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iibjclUtGKw"]Dr. Phil - The Search for Dylan Redwine: Part 1 (Feb. 26th, 2013) - YouTube[/ame]

Dr. Phil part 2;

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNUHI--tmnI"]Dr. Phil - The Search for Dylan Redwine: Part 2 (Feb. 27th, 2013) - YouTube[/ame]