Dylan Redwine Case Discussion Thread/Dylan's Remains Found

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Are there transcripts of crime radio, they have no closed caption option for us deaf people.... Sorry if there is somewhere else to post this but these interviews of mark I have no access to. Thanks

I'm still catching up, so I'm sure this has been answered already . . . but here is the show that I know we have a full transcript for:

  • [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9557178&postcount=117"]Part 1[/ame]
  • [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9557586&postcount=118"]Part 2[/ame]
  • [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9558111&postcount=119"]Part 3[/ame]
  • [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9561107&postcount=121"]Part 4[/ame]
  • [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9561114&postcount=122"]Part 5[/ame]

I believe we do not have full transcripts for these shows related to Dylan's case:

  • [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=202255"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]
  • [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=211053"]Sunday 6/2/13 on True Crime Radio - Elaine Redwine - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]
  • [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=213718"]Tricia's True Crime Radio Tonight Special Time 10:30 PM Eastern. - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

Many thanks to TxJan1971, who also transcribed both days of the Dr. Phil show as well:

  • [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8944123&postcount=94"]Dr. Phil - Day 1[/ame]
  • [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8952177&postcount=97"]Dr. Phil - Day 2[/ame]

Miss you, TxJan1971! :heartbeat:
 
MR said he was told he "failed miserably". Not sure where he got inconclusive from that? Also Le spoke up at once to state that their polygraph unit was fully competent, after he dissed them.

Anyway, who does that? Why not just say he does not trust polygraphs? Why try to pin the blame on the examiners?
 
Could be, but it still isn't verified that his phone wasn't somehow broken, is it? I mean, he could have gotten up to go to the bathroom and dropped his phone in the toilet. It has happened around my house more than once, lol. Yes, there was a landline, but who knows anyone's phone numbers anymore without their cell?

If he had dropped his phone in the toilet, then where is it? Would he have taken a dead, broken flip phone with him?

And by my experience with kids that age, that break their phones, the FIRST thing they do is report that to the one person that can help them replace the phone or get a new battery etc. If he broke his phone, imo, he would have reached out to Mark or Elaine or Cory, to try and get it replaced. He was on vacation on his old hometown. He definitely wanted a phone to use so he could meet up with his old friends.

He had the computer right there, with wifi. He could have messaged his mom or brother. He had his i-pod, which he texted with the previous night.

He stopped using his cell at around 8 pm. I don't think he broke it. I think someone took it away in anger. JMO
 
Parents do have alot of influence on their children in regards to words said. As for Cory's well being, knowing /not knowing that your father may have harmed / not harmed your younger brother would be very difficult to handle. Anger, rage, sadness, depression would be extreme, which is cause for concern.

There could and probally will be reasons to talk to them again, depending on what is concluded from the investigation. One may not know until the time comes......imhoo

My mother is bi-polar. She's bi-polar to an extreme. That's why they got divorced IMO. I saw her get violent with my father. Never us kids, but him. She was told by a professional that she was bi-polar and was on lithium at one time. I mentioned to her a couple of years ago that she was bi-polar and she denied it. My mother tried to poison our minds about my dad. My dad never tried to poison our minds about our mother. He did mention some things she did to him, but only to correct something she told me. I believed my dad more than her.

I love my mother dearly and in some respects she was the better parent. I guess that's why I see MR being crucified by Dylan's mother and I'm taking his side a little more.

I noticed this same quote. Dylan's friend have told us in the past that they liked to hangout at Pine River. Cory also speaks of Dylan fishing and hiking. In my opinion, the key difference here is Dylan did not do these things alone. He wasn't the type of kid to go fishing or hiking alone.

Is it possible he agreed to meet up with a friend in conversation the day before? I'm just guessing here.

Ok, back to Dr. Phil part 2.
 
I guess that's why I see MR being crucified by Dylan's mother and I'm taking his side a little more.

I can understand that. Really, I can. However, he's being crucified by more than one ex. THAT'S what makes me think this isn't about his ex having it out for him. When you start having multiple exes making the same accusations, you have to stop and wonder if there really is merit to them.
 
MR said he was told he "failed miserably". Not sure where he got inconclusive from that? Also Le spoke up at once to state that their polygraph unit was fully competent, after he dissed them.

Anyway, who does that? Why not just say he does not trust polygraphs? Why try to pin the blame on the examiners?

He said he was first told he failed miserably and then was told it was inconclusive. This is a common LE trick. They are free to lie to a suspect. There is a case where a 17 year old kid was told he failed a polygraph in the murder of his parents, when he didn't. That lie led to him giving a false confession and being convicted. It wasn't until an outside group became involved that he was released from prison. The cop who lied to him about the polygraph doesn't care. He was interviewed and said something to the effect of; "The supreme court says I can lie to suspects." No remorse or anything.

If what Dylan's dad says is true, about being told it was inconclusive afterword, then I think the LE trick didn't work because he's not guilty. JMO
 
My mother is bi-polar. She's bi-polar to an extreme. That's why they got divorced IMO. I saw her get violent with my father. Never us kids, but him. She was told by a professional that she was bi-polar and was on lithium at one time. I mentioned to her a couple of years ago that she was bi-polar and she denied it. My mother tried to poison our minds about my dad. My dad never tried to poison our minds about our mother. He did mention some things she did to him, but only to correct something she told me. I believed my dad more than her.

I love my mother dearly and in some respects she was the better parent. I guess that's why I see MR being crucified by Dylan's mother and I'm taking his side a little more.

Is it possible he agreed to meet up with a friend in conversation the day before? I'm just guessing here.

Ok, back to Dr. Phil part 2.

BBM - In my opinion, Elaine hasn't poisoned Cory's mind. Cory has made up his own mind. Likely when he caught his father having intercourse outside under a window with another woman while still married to Elaine. This ended in an altercation between Cory and Mark. IIRC Mark filed charges against Cory.
 
I can understand that. Really, I can. However, he's being crucified by more than one ex. THAT'S what makes me think this isn't about his ex having it out for him. When you start having multiple exes making the same accusations, you have to stop and wonder if there really is merit to them.

I've been going over these posts and haven't started watching the whole DP part 2 yet. In the teaser at the beginning of the show they show an ex girlfriend who says she doesn't believe he'd be capable of it.
 
My mother is bi-polar. She's bi-polar to an extreme. That's why they got divorced IMO. I saw her get violent with my father. Never us kids, but him. She was told by a professional that she was bi-polar and was on lithium at one time. I mentioned to her a couple of years ago that she was bi-polar and she denied it. My mother tried to poison our minds about my dad. My dad never tried to poison our minds about our mother. He did mention some things she did to him, but only to correct something she told me. I believed my dad more than her.

I love my mother dearly and in some respects she was the better parent. I guess that's why I see MR being crucified by Dylan's mother and I'm taking his side a little more.


Here is what is awesome about this forum ! My mother is bi polar ( formerly known as manic depressive ) and schizophrenic. The history seems similar to yours in the most basic sense. But when I compare that to MR and ER I see it the opposite. I see MR as the one who never took responsibility for his action s and blamed it all on ER. Is that weird that we flip flop it? It's just all in each of our minds what we think and shows we all have valid reasons for how we feel. So for fun, Steely, I will try to imagine the rolls reversed for a bit if you will ?
 
A little english lesson I thought might be enlightening. Remove every name and face and fact about Dylan's case from your mind for just a minute.

What are the differences in these two statements, if any ?

1 We have not named anyone a suspect at this time .
2 We do not have a suspect at this time.
 
If the police arrest MR, I'll change my tune.

So far on the Dr. Phil show it seems the mother is hell bent on blaming the father. It seems she has an axe to grind from before this whole thing happened and she's using this to get back at him.

It appears the mother <modsnip> and the father was trying to protect them from her and asked his lawyer to help. I think that incensed her. She claims that Mark put a dead rodent in her truck and I find that hard to believe. I get the feeling that the mother has it out for him because he tried to keep Dylan and his brother away from her.

When Dr. Phil asks whether she called him or not, he says she didn't and she says she did. Then she says "Why should I have to call you?". To me that sounds like she was lying about calling him. JMO

Then we have the father admitting to domestic violence in his first marriage. However, Dylan's mother never says Mark was physical in his discipline of the boys.

What MR said on Tricia's show is that he couldn't talk to his wife because all she'd do is yell and accuse him. I'm seeing that in this Dr. Phil interview. The mother sent him without a coat in November and all she can say is; "Why is it always my fault."
His lie detector test was "incoclusive".
That doesn't mean he's failed. He also says the person who did the polygraph wasn't qualified.

I think there are good reasons to suspect the father, but I wouldn't let the mother off the hook totally
. Personally, I think it was probably someone Dylan knew.

As far as his taking a nap when he got home, that's a little hinky, but to me not unbelievable. When I was a kid there was a big wooded area across the street from our house and my mom would let us go out for hours and then call us in for dinner. There are a lot of people on this board who've said they don't lock their doors because of the town they live in. It appears that Dylan disappeared from a very small town. The father probably thought that Dylan being abducted wasn't a worry.

Those are my thoughts on part 1. I'm starting to watch part 2 now.


Dr. Phil part 1;

Dr. Phil - The Search for Dylan Redwine: Part 1 (Feb. 26th, 2013) - YouTube

Dr. Phil part 2;

Dr. Phil - The Search for Dylan Redwine: Part 2 (Feb. 27th, 2013) - YouTube

BBM #1 From all indications, this is entirely untrue. The mother had nothing to do with the father up until this happened, and had started a new life in another city. The only "interaction" she had with him was through the court system in gaining primary custody 2 months before Dylan was murdered. The anger we see on the Dr. Phil show is fueled by the fact that whenever she tried to reach MR after Dylan went missing, he would not speak with her, and imo she held it together quite well in light of this.

BBM#2 There is every reason to believe through what we've learned over the last 7 months that even while Dylan still lived in the Durango area, he could visit his father whenever he chose and it has come out that this was very rarely because MR traveled extensively in the trucking business. After they moved to CS, Dylan visited his father in September, but other than that Dylan elected to avoid his father's calls and texts. Why would ER be upset that MR was trying to keep the kids away, when she has primary custody? These incidences you are referring to were more than 5 years ago.

BBM#3 Later (fairly recently) on the Tricia show MR admits that LE told him he "failed miserably".

BBM#4 LE heard this on the Dr. Phil show and said in a press release that this was entirely untrue - the examiners were highly qualified.

BBM#5 It's fairly clear that LE has let her and the rest of her family off the hook. In the same press release as above, they are clear that they were all in the CS area when Dylan was reported missing.

BBM #6 As this story and much of what we have learned about that night and the entire next day are only from MR's statements, I don't think they hold much weight (imo). Alibi building as far as I'm concerned. Out of a 12 hour period, MR only has about 2-3 hours at the most that can be confirmed, and that's probably pushing it.
 

The evidence collected seems to match with my theory. Something happened on the couch.

If the police arrest MR, I'll change my tune.

So far on the Dr. Phil show it seems the mother is hell bent on blaming the father. It seems she has an axe to grind from before this whole thing happened and she's using this to get back at him.

It appears the mother <modsnip> and the father was trying to protect them from her and asked his lawyer to help. I think that incensed her. She claims that Mark put a dead rodent in her truck and I find that hard to believe. I get the feeling that the mother has it out for him because he tried to keep Dylan and his brother away from her.

When Dr. Phil asks whether she called him or not, he says she didn't and she says she did. Then she says "Why should I have to call you?". To me that sounds like she was lying about calling him. JMO

Then we have the father admitting to domestic violence in his first marriage. However, Dylan's mother never says Mark was physical in his discipline of the boys.

What MR said on Tricia's show is that he couldn't talk to his wife because all she'd do is yell and accuse him. I'm seeing that in this Dr. Phil interview. The mother sent him without a coat in November and all she can say is; "Why is it always my fault."

His lie detector test was "incoclusive". That doesn't mean he's failed. He also says the person who did the polygraph wasn't qualified.

I think there are good reasons to suspect the father, but I wouldn't let the mother off the hook totally. Personally, I think it was probably someone Dylan knew.

As far as his taking a nap when he got home, that's a little hinky, but to me not unbelievable. When I was a kid there was a big wooded area across the street from our house and my mom would let us go out for hours and then call us in for dinner. There are a lot of people on this board who've said they don't lock their doors because of the town they live in. It appears that Dylan disappeared from a very small town. The father probably thought that Dylan being abducted wasn't a worry.

Those are my thoughts on part 1. I'm starting to watch part 2 now.


Dr. Phil part 1;

Dr. Phil - The Search for Dylan Redwine: Part 1 (Feb. 26th, 2013) - YouTube

Dr. Phil part 2;

Dr. Phil - The Search for Dylan Redwine: Part 2 (Feb. 27th, 2013) - YouTube

If my kid disappeared soon after arriving at the home of my ex, with whom I had battled custody for years, who had abducted my kids and his other kids in the past, who had a history of domestic violence and a temper, I would be all over him as well.

The only evidence that mom had a drinking problem is from dad. The evidence she didn't is that she was awarded custody and dad was awarded very limited rights to see his kids. The drinking issue was litigated for certain.

Mom not sending the child with a coat is crummy behavior. In my line of work, however, this is not uncommon when one parent is sick of the other not returning costly clothing items or never purchasing any for their child. Mom's question, "Why is it always my fault." could either indicate she is constantly deflecting blame for her failings in the co-parenting arena or it could indicate that dad always has an excuse for his failings to parent at all. I choose the latter because as a family law attorney, well familiar with these types of cases, I note that dad had limited rights not only to these kids from his marriage to Dylan's mom, but also to his kids from previous marriages.

Dad says he was told by LE that he failed his lie detector test "miserably."

It has been established that mom, Dylan's step-dad and Corey did not leave the area of Colorado Springs, 6 hours from Dad's house, in the time Dylan went missing. She has been a panicked, tearful presence all along, demanding answers, in close contact with LE, setting up websites, forming vigils, search parties, facebook pages and giving media interviews.

This is in very stark contrast with dad's behavior, a man who had to pledge to be more involved in the investigation and search only after mediators got involved.

Dylan is dead. Given all the above, are you suggesting she somehow had Dylan abducted from his father and killed from 6 hours away? I love ya' Steely, but that makes no sense.

Let me add that I deal with personality disordered people often, in my work, and also seriously angry and hateful parents, on a daily basis. I see a history of bitter litigation but mom's demeanor makes sense to me in the context of the disappearance of her son while at his dad's. Dad's demeanor strikes me as that of clever man who knows how to lie and subtly turn things around on the mother. He has learned the language of the court system well and what he is supposed to say, but his simmering rage is directed, IMO, not at the mother in connection with his son's disappearance, which would be illogical, but at the mother in general. He makes outrageous statements meant to severely wound with no moral basis for that outrage as it is clear that the mom did not abduct her son.

For example, he accuses of her alcohol abuse. Yet the fact that custody of the kids was granted to her refutes that. He says, "What kind of mother are you that would accuse me of harming Dylan." He wants to hurt her where it counts to any mother. But her accusation has nothing to do with the type of mother she is and everything, according to her, to the dad's other ex-wife and to Corey, with the type of man dad is.

I won't say mom is a perfect angel. The coat thing indicates she played a part in the bitter litigation. However, her anger on this show seems in the context of her baby disappearing shortly after he was reluctantly delivered to his father's custody after a court ordered the visitation as a compromise between regular contact with dad and no contact at all. That is a logical anger.

Dad's anger on the show seems in the context of general rage and resentment of the mother, his other son, his ex wife, etc. Big difference in my opinion.
 
In the teaser at the beginning of the show they show an ex girlfriend who says she doesn't believe he'd be capable of it.

How long did they date? Did they live together? Do they have kids together?

I find it hard to compare the opinion of an ex-girlfriend to two women who were married to and procreated with the man, but that is just me. Two different types of relationships and situations altogether.
 
I've been going over these posts and haven't started watching the whole DP part 2 yet. In the teaser at the beginning of the show they show an ex girlfriend who says she doesn't believe he'd be capable of it.

That girlfriend dated him for 6 months. She only saw him with Dylan once, for one visit. Far different from actual wives who spent years with him.
 
For example, he accuses of her alcohol abuse.

And shows up to the Dr. Phil show drunk and/or hungover. Pot. Kettle. Black. Wouldn't you say?
 
Pretty much every case of a missing child that involves a dad has the dad as a suspect at some point. That factor does not make the cases similarly distinct.

But you said this case reminds you of Amber's case because it similarly involves a father as a suspect when a stranger was to blame. I'm quite certain that LE has not indicated a stranger was involved in this case. In fact, the most that can be gleaned by LE's statements that remotely points away from the family would tend to suggest a runaway scenario involving an accident of some sort.

They also have said from the start that this could be a kidnapping. I don't think they have ever taken that off the table. Imo, they have a valid reason with never removing that theory all these 7 months.

And tragically we do know children can be kidnapped in the blink of an eye and are murdered by their kidnapper.:(
 
BBM#3 Later (fairly recently) on the Tricia show MR admits that LE told him he "failed miserably".
(Snipped for focus on #3)

This "failed miserably" comment is odd, IMO. At the time he said this, it is 3-31/2 mos. after Dr. Phil. Why change this AGAIN???

The transcript to the June radio broadcast is on the Media thread.

Here's a link to the post.
[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=191821"]Dylan Redwine *Media , Maps & Timelines* - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

It's at the 95.40 point in the transcript (and tape).
 
Why didn't Mark speak about Dylan at this vigil instead of doing what he does best talk about himself!


&#8220;We came here to celebrate Dylan and the wonderful and beautiful boy that he was,&#8221; family friend Denise Hess said.


Before the vigil, Mark Redwine said he met with law enforcement Saturday and went with them up to Middle Mountain to the area where they found some of Dylan&#8217;s remains.


&#8220;It was horrific. It was unimaginable,&#8221; Redwine said. &#8220;No parent should go up there&#8221; in a situation like this, he said
.


Yet, it also shows how a community can come together, said Bayfield resident Diane Estes


Where are all the happy times and tender moments he shared with his son.
The I miss my son or how much you loved him!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO he has to talk about him and how horrific it was. Imagine how horrific it was for Dylan!

Sorry for the rant! But this man needs to get over himself.
He knew they were going to find Dylan and that's why he left Dodge!

Why do you leave town when there is a very major LE search for your son? YOU DONT!



Last BBM- Couple of things come to mind.

To be able to come back voluntarily? Thus creating the argument 'If he did it why would he come back knowing that he might be arrested? He must not be gulity.'

To cause further pain for Elaine?

Just thinking out loud, moo.
 
I'm sure this video has been snipped. However I noticed when Mark was speaking at the vigil it was not about Dylan. Again it is about himself and his relationship with Cory and Elaine.

Mark Redwine speaking at vigil -

"I reached out to Cory earlier. And to Elaine My heart goes out to you. I don't know what to say to you but I'm feeling the same pain that you and Cory are.

http://www.9news.com/video/2517730229001/1/Candlelight-memorial-held-for-Dylan-Redwine-

Just my opinion, and jumping off your post, not saying this directly to you, but...

I think its all too easy to jump on MR's words and make them fit into what people think of him. His comment that "no parent should have to go up there" is no different to what lots of people say at the death of a child - "no parents should have to bury their child". I've heard that said no end of times, but I don't think it means they are thinking about themselves.
 
My mother is bi-polar. She's bi-polar to an extreme. That's why they got divorced IMO. I saw her get violent with my father. Never us kids, but him. She was told by a professional that she was bi-polar and was on lithium at one time. I mentioned to her a couple of years ago that she was bi-polar and she denied it. My mother tried to poison our minds about my dad. My dad never tried to poison our minds about our mother. He did mention some things she did to him, but only to correct something she told me. I believed my dad more than her.

I love my mother dearly and in some respects she was the better parent. I guess that's why I see MR being crucified by Dylan's mother and I'm taking his side a little more.

Is it possible he agreed to meet up with a friend in conversation the day before? I'm just guessing here.

Ok, back to Dr. Phil part 2.

We all bring our life experiences to the table in such cases. But when they are based on prejudices formed from personal, intimate familial issues, that can cloud the ability to be objective. I think my prejudices are fairly objective in that they are based on what I see regularly, in my practice, and in my training in examining facts and applying them to the law, rather than on being based on my personal familial or romantic history.

Let me add that I primarily represent fathers in custody cases. I don't seek them out, it just happened that way and I guess word of mouth spread. I have successfully gone into court and obtained court orders actually switching custody from mom to a dad who had limited visitation, in multiple cases. Several resulted in no or extremely limited visitation to the mother which is quite, quite rare.

99.999% of my fathers are good dads dealing with evil or mentally ill moms.

I am examining these people and this case in that context.

Dylan did have plans to meet up with a friend the next day but the friend lived 6 miles away and he needed a ride.

He said he was first told he failed miserably and then was told it was inconclusive. This is a common LE trick. They are free to lie to a suspect. There is a case where a 17 year old kid was told he failed a polygraph in the murder of his parents, when he didn't. That lie led to him giving a false confession and being convicted. It wasn't until an outside group became involved that he was released from prison. The cop who lied to him about the polygraph doesn't care. He was interviewed and said something to the effect of; "The supreme court says I can lie to suspects." No remorse or anything.

If what Dylan's dad says is true, about being told it was inconclusive afterword, then I think the LE trick didn't work because he's not guilty. JMO

Very true. It IS a common trick. But there has been no report by LE as to the results and the only info we have that it could have been inconclusive came from mom who said:
GRACE: Elaine, when you were speaking earlier to our producers, you mentioned it was your understanding that he had failed a polygraph.

REDWINE: No, I didn`t say he had failed the polygraph.

GRACE: OK. Good. I`m glad you can clarify that. So what is your understanding, then?

REDWINE: I think it was inconclusive.

GRACE: Is he being asked to take another?

REDWINE: I believe so, yes, he is. http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1212/03/ng.01.html
Dad stated that he was not told by LE that it was inconclusive, only that he had failed miserably.
 
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