Early Parole and Missed Opportunities-What happened?

[yosande]

JC is a victim, regardless of how she responds during captivity,

and regardless of how she responds directly after liberation.

She was eleven years old when she was snatched off the street in daylight.

She was held captive for 18 years, much longer than her age when she was kidnapped.

Add to that that she bore two children, her own babes, while still a baby herself, while in the first few years of her captivity.

Perhaps some people should try to remember how they thought and felt when they were 11 years old, and try to put themselves in her shoes that morning she was taken from the family who loved her.

She learned how to survive.
She deserves to be treated with honor and great respect.
Her family will teach her what she needs to know now.
People should fear God for the attitude that they have about this {child}.
Yes, she is eleven years old, her life ended when she was eleven, and she has been rescued, and resurrected. She will teach us much, if we will only listen. jmo

 

[time]

And who are WE, ANY OF US, to judge? (End of this side of the story. IMO) If you have never been there, you cannot judge!

I'm certainly not judging her if that is what you are implying? I was asking what the papers said that was judgmental. Everyone keeps throwing around that term but doesn't every seem to point out examples.

 

[time]

I didn't mean my last post to sound defensive if it did - I guess I'm getting a little tired.

 

[SunnieRN]

Free press, (which doesn't truly exist, but America is closer than many other countries), allows the story to be told. It can be accurate or biased. It can be truthful or a lot of smear tactics. Journalism is in need of a healthy dose of integrity, in my humble opinion.

Honesty does not have to be presented in a form of sugar coating any more than it should be sensationalized. There is a human being at the heart of this article. This is a human being that was stolen away from any semblance of life as she knew it as a child.

In nursing school we were taught to treat our patients as if they were our Mothers, Fathers, children or siblings. How would we want our loved ones treated in the same situation?

A story can be told truthfully and thoroughly without resorting to a style of insulting and insensitive language. Consideration for her circumstances over an 18 year period may have led to a tempering of wording. Was the journalist incorrect, of course not, but why be a bully?

 

[jjenny]

I don't think I said what I meant very well in my post. What bothered me wasn't the content of the article, but the way it was written. To me, it came across like it was a sensationalized article when actually it was all correct. It had the feeling of a National Enquirer article rather than a hometown, Jaycee-living, community paper. I think the journalist could have been a bit more compassionate than starting out the way he did in the first paragraph.

Well, how would you like this article titled "Jaycee Dugard Lied, Protected Alleged Abductor?" "People" would be the same journal cultivating a relationship with her to get the photos.
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20318322,00.html

 

[my2sisters]

Well, how would you like this article titled "Jaycee Dugard Lied, Protected Alleged Abductor?" "People" would be the same journal cultivating a relationship with her to get the photos.
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20318322,00.html

You should go back to your link and read the comments. You'll see that I'm not alone in my feelings. They happen to differ from yours and there's no need to be rude.

 

[jjenny]

You should go back to your link and read the comments. You'll see that I'm not alone in my feelings. They happen to differ from yours and there's no need to be rude.

I am not trying to be rude. I am pointing out that the article you linked to is hardly the only one.

 

[SunnieRN]

Well, how would you like this article titled "Jaycee Dugard Lied, Protected Alleged Abductor?" "People" would be the same journal cultivating a relationship with her to get the photos.
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20318322,00.html

This article states within it:

Dr. Carole Lieberman, a forensic psychiatrist at UCLA, suggests that Jaycee "was protecting Garrido out of fear, a distorted sense of loyalty, and a need to feel connected to the father of her children." Lieberman, who is not involved in the Dugard case, adds the young woman was probably also concerned about her daughters learning the truth about their father, and that she was probably embarrassed about never trying to return to her real family.

Much the same as many websleuthers have been saying.

Don't like the title, but at least it gives an exert opinion as to how Jaycee may have been feeling and what she may have been thinking.

 

[my2sisters]

This article states within it:

Dr. Carole Lieberman, a forensic psychiatrist at UCLA, suggests that Jaycee "was protecting Garrido out of fear, a distorted sense of loyalty, and a need to feel connected to the father of her children." Lieberman, who is not involved in the Dugard case, adds the young woman was probably also concerned about her daughters learning the truth about their father, and that she was probably embarrassed about never trying to return to her real family.

Much the same as many websleuthers have been saying.

Don't like the title, but at least it gives an exert opinion as to how Jaycee may have been feeling and what she may have been thinking.

Go read some of the comments. Everyone is up in arms about the title. People are really angry that the magazine worded the article the way they did. So it's not just us, SunnieRN!

 

[jjenny]

This article states within it:

Dr. Carole Lieberman, a forensic psychiatrist at UCLA, suggests that Jaycee "was protecting Garrido out of fear, a distorted sense of loyalty, and a need to feel connected to the father of her children." Lieberman, who is not involved in the Dugard case, adds the young woman was probably also concerned about her daughters learning the truth about their father, and that she was probably embarrassed about never trying to return to her real family.

Much the same as many websleuthers have been saying.

Don't like the title, but at least it gives an exert opinion as to how Jaycee may have been feeling and what she may have been thinking.

I'd be a lot more interested in the expert's opinion if that expert had examined her. I personally think better explanation is that she was identifying with Garrido (Stockholm syndrome) after 18 years. I am not surprised she was trying to protect Garrido, that's what someone with Stockholm syndrome would do.

 

[SunnieRN]

To be frank, I'd be more interested in expert's opinion if that expert actually met and talked with JC.

I agree that it would be wonderful to have that opportunity. I would think that an expert in the field would have a basic understanding of what a survivor of kidnapping and rape over a long period of time may be feeling. The Dr. "suggested that she may be feeling" and those suggestions are really basic human emotions, that all of us feel, or have felt, within situations in our lives. People, by their nature do have some traits, responses and emotions that are fairly universal to the human species.

I wont even try to guess the emotions that Jaycee may have experienced that day, beyond the most primal emotions of fear and anxiety. We have NO idea of the repercussions and reprisals that Jaycee may have been afraid of if she ended up returning home with pg and ng.

Bye the way. I wonder who made sure that patricia was going to be taken care of after the arrests?

 

[Billylee]

I didn't mean my last post to sound defensive if it did - I guess I'm getting a little tired.

It's okay, I wasn't accusing anyone of being judgmental, I'm just saying no one should be. Frankly I wish everyone would quit talking about Jaycee and her girls and just LEAVE THEM ALONE. I try not to get in on the conversations about her, because I really think it's none of my business what she did, says, or how she feels now. I don't think it matters that she tried to cover up her situation, it makes total sense to me. The woman was scared to death. End of story. What difference does it make at this point anyway? I'm just glad she and her girls are out of his and her's grip and that they have their butt's in jail and I hope they fry!

 

[songline]

I think this is an error. It is in Shaws report that if PO's had spoken to neighbors they may have been able to solve the case by talking to the young neighbor. Not that it was reported to the police and never followed up upon.

Grrr, back to the report yet again. If I am wrong, I will correct myself.

snip:

For example, only weeks after she had been reported kidnapped a neighbour of the house where she was being held reported to police that she had talked to a young blonde girl and asked her name. "Jaycee" she had said but the police did nothing to follow this lead up.

Page 29:

Parole agents failed to speak to key collateral contacts
Parole agents also failed to talk to key sources to obtain important collateral information that
may have led them to discover Garrido’s victims. Parole agents are required to periodically
contact collateral sources of information to ensure that a parolee is adhering to his or her parole
terms and conditions. The department defines a collateral contact as any communication with
another person concerning a parolee. Parole agents often talk to parolees’ spouses, roommates,
employers, and relatives. Neighbors and local law enforcement agencies are also good sources
of information because they may be aware of behavior the parolee exhibits when the parole
agent is not present.
We reviewed the department’s supervision record of Garrido and found no instances of parole
agents speaking to Garrido’s neighbors. We went to Garrido’s neighborhood and spoke to five
of Garrido’s neighbors. From
our interviews, we learned
that some of the neighbors
had concerns about Garrido’s
“weird” behaviors, and that
two neighbors had seen
children at his house. These
comments are consistent with
parole agent comments in
their records over the years
that Garrido exhibited strange
behavior.
Another neighbor, whose
backyard shared a fence with
Garrido, told us he once
met Jaycee. The neighbor
described a conversation
he had in the summer of
1991–when he was about
eight years old–with a young blond girl through the chicken wire fence that used to separate
his yard from Garrido’s. He said that the girl told him her name was Jaycee and she lived there.
The neighbor reported that as he was talking to Jaycee, Garrido came out and took her into the
house. Soon thereafter, Garrido built an eight-foot privacy fence that separated their yards.
Had a parole agent talked to people living in the neighborhood, he may well have learned this
same information. That information, along with the fact that Garrido is a registered sex offender,
may have led a parole agent to further investigate Garrido and perhaps discover Jaycee.

The first sighting when a neighbor had seen little JC and told her she had a grandchild or a niece that maybe she can come play with....(I do not remember it clearly) BUT it caused PG to build fences all around her compound. There was a first sighting by a neighbor, don't remember when. I have no time to go look for it.

 

[SunnieRN]

Is this the incidence you are referring to Songline?

Dale White said Phillip Garrido had put in an above-ground pool. During past summers, he had heard laughter and splashing. "You could tell it was more than one girl and an adult female."

In all those years, Polly White said she saw one of the girls only once, and that occurred last summer. Part of the fence had broken.

"I was weeding and a little girl peeked through. I said 'Hi honey, how are you?' She said 'I'm fine' shyly."

White said the girl told her she was 10 and the woman invited her to come play with her grandson some time. "Then she ran away."

The next day, the fence was boarded up. White said she thought the girl might have been told not to talk to strangers.


If so, it was after the fence went up, which would have been after the little boy talked tto Jaycee.




found here:

http://www.rgj.com/article/20090829...-but-took-comfort-in-visits-by-parole-officer

 

[songline]

Is this the incidence you are referring to Songline?

Dale White said Phillip Garrido had put in an above-ground pool. During past summers, he had heard laughter and splashing. "You could tell it was more than one girl and an adult female."

In all those years, Polly White said she saw one of the girls only once, and that occurred last summer. Part of the fence had broken.

"I was weeding and a little girl peeked through. I said 'Hi honey, how are you?' She said 'I'm fine' shyly."

White said the girl told her she was 10 and the woman invited her to come play with her grandson some time. "Then she ran away."

The next day, the fence was boarded up. White said she thought the girl might have been told not to talk to strangers.


If so, it was after the fence went up, which would have been after the little boy talked tto Jaycee.




found here:

http://www.rgj.com/article/20090829...-but-took-comfort-in-visits-by-parole-officer

No sweetie, Polly white moved in later on...When she had seen her or one girl she heard laughter and splashing...by this time there was probably 2 kids with JC.

It was very early on before the 8 foot fence was up.
I do not think that the 8 year old boy was the very first sighting.
I think that neighbor made mention of having someone she can play with maybe a grandson maybe a niece I don't remember exactly. I think it was after that the 8 foot fence went up.

I do not think she ever called any LE.

 

[SunnieRN]

No sweetie, Polly white moved in later on...When she had seen her or one girl she heard laughter and splashing...by this time there was probably 2 kids with JC.

It was very early on before the 8 foot fence was up.
I do not think that the 8 year old boy was the very first sighting.
I think that neighbor made mention of having someone she can play with maybe a grandson maybe a niece I don't remember exactly. I think it was after that the 8 foot fence went up.

I do not think she ever called any LE.

Ok, there is also a refr. to her inviting the 10 (now 11 year old) over to play. I can't find anything else right now, but I bet it's somewhere in the two girls thread you started!!

 

[anthroamy]

Ok, there is also a refr. to her inviting the 10 (now 11 year old) over to play. I can't find anything else right now, but I bet it's somewhere in the two girls thread you started!!

From: http://www.rgj.com/article/20090829...-but-took-comfort-in-visits-by-parole-officer

About the same time Dugard was abducted, the Whites said a fence went up in the middle of the night. Trees and bushes also were planted. "It was just there one day," Polly White said.

and

In all those years, Polly White said she saw one of the girls only once, and that occurred last summer. Part of the fence had broken.

"I was weeding and a little girl peeked through. I said 'Hi honey, how are you?' She said 'I'm fine' shyly."

White said the girl told her she was 10 and the woman invited her to come play with her grandson some time. "Then she ran away."

The next day, the fence was boarded up. White said she thought the girl might have been told not to talk to strangers.

No mention of the Whites ever seeing Jaycee, though.

 

[time]

The first sighting when a neighbor had seen little JC and told her she had a grandchild or a niece that maybe she can come play with....(I do not remember it clearly) BUT it caused PG to build fences all around her compound. There was a first sighting by a neighbor, don't remember when. I have no time to go look for it.

Why don't you take the time to find the link instead of asserting something and making people guess.

 

[songline]

From: http://www.rgj.com/article/20090829...-but-took-comfort-in-visits-by-parole-officer

About the same time Dugard was abducted, the Whites said a fence went up in the middle of the night. Trees and bushes also were planted. "It was just there one day," Polly White said.

and

In all those years, Polly White said she saw one of the girls only once, and that occurred last summer. Part of the fence had broken.

"I was weeding and a little girl peeked through. I said 'Hi honey, how are you?' She said 'I'm fine' shyly."

White said the girl told her she was 10 and the woman invited her to come play with her grandson some time. "Then she ran away."

The next day, the fence was boarded up. White said she thought the girl might have been told not to talk to strangers.

No mention of the Whites ever seeing Jaycee, though.

that is what I was thinking of....OK ...
thank you....

 

[my2sisters]

Since you guys are so willing to spend hours always looking for things for a few others will you please help me find my keys?!