Early Parole and Missed Opportunities-What happened?

[BeenaBobba]

Even if JC knew something she would have been to scared to DO something.
"FEAR IS THE MAFIA OF THE MIND"

Exactly.

 

[LinasK]

By John Simerman
Contra Costa Times
Posted: 02/12/2010 09:37:34 PM PST
Updated: 02/12/2010 10:41:47 PM PST
It took nearly a year for state parole agents to account for the fact Phillip Garrido was a sex offender. By then, in 2000, the first California parole agent to supervise him had recommended his discharge from a lifetime parole term from Nevada, and seemed to want him off his caseload."On parole from NV for life. (Why did I take this case?)," the agent writes in parole logs that state corrections officials released Friday night under a court order.
Two months later, the agent again recommended Garrido for discharge.
There would be three more requests over the years for the man authorities say kidnapped Jaycee Dugard with his wife, Nancy, and repeatedly raped her in a hidden backyard compound and fathered Jaycee's two girls.
The pages of often sketchy, sometimes illegible parole logs describe dozens of visits to the Garrido house on Walnut Avenue near Antioch over the years, and several "visual, cursory" searches of the house, with no reports of trouble. more at link: http://www.contracostatimes.com/sear...nclick_check=1

 

[songline]

By John Simerman
Contra Costa Times
Posted: 02/12/2010 09:37:34 PM PST
Updated: 02/12/2010 10:41:47 PM PST
It took nearly a year for state parole agents to account for the fact Phillip Garrido was a sex offender. By then, in 2000, the first California parole agent to supervise him had recommended his discharge from a lifetime parole term from Nevada, and seemed to want him off his caseload."On parole from NV for life. (Why did I take this case?)," the agent writes in parole logs that state corrections officials released Friday night under a court order.
Two months later, the agent again recommended Garrido for discharge.
There would be three more requests over the years for the man authorities say kidnapped Jaycee Dugard with his wife, Nancy, and repeatedly raped her in a hidden backyard compound and fathered Jaycee's two girls.
The pages of often sketchy, sometimes illegible parole logs describe dozens of visits to the Garrido house on Walnut Avenue near Antioch over the years, and several "visual, cursory" searches of the house, with no reports of trouble. more at link: http://www.contracostatimes.com/sear...nclick_check=1

WOW. :waitasec::waitasec::waitasec: Thanks for this report LinasK.
This just begs for his entire case load to be reviewed. :furious:

 

[kbl8201]

the thing about knowing they were in (or around l.a.) is intresting.
its possible jaycee might have come across shayna's myspace page sometime last spring/summer.

 

[kbl8201]

Another observation...he was failing some drug tests as a result of being on a prescription for some unnamed condition. On PG00100 he implies that it was for some "bi-chemical" problem that was diagnosed while of federal parole. "Bi-chemical" would be bi-polar perhaps? That might explain his transformation into a "family man" which appeared to have started towards the end of the federal parole period. It is interesting that the letter on PG00100 is relatively lucid, but then when you look at the letter he wrote to the PO more recently about starting his church the style is much less cohesive.

So his psycological state would be initially uncontrolled (leading to Jaycee's abduction and the initial stages of captivity), followed by medication which made him more normal leading into the "family" phase. Then later he starts to lose his mind and all the crazy religous stuff starts. Did he go off his medication and then fall apart, becoming obsessed with god?

you sound like nancy's lawyers.

 

[Natal]

the thing about knowing they were in (or around l.a.) is intresting.
its possible jaycee might have come across shayna's myspace page sometime last spring/summer.

No. Early on when Jaycee was first discovered her mother's name popped up on searches at the shool she worked at as (it would be hard to find now because Terry's name is in the tags for literally tens of thousands of pages). I think there was even a picture of her there IIRC. If Jaycee or PG had done a search for her mother prior to the arrest they probably would have had no trouble finding out where she was.

Carl would have been harder, I don't think he had a web presence before. Shayna did have a public myspace page for about 6 months prior to Jaycee's discovery, but it had little posted in it, no pictures and maybe about half a dozen comments from two young women who appear to be her friends. It looks like the page was created around April, followed by comments added that month, after which it fell silent until Jaycee was found. I suspect that she didn't really look at it much after the first month until August

 

[songline]

the thing about knowing they were in (or around l.a.) is intresting.
its possible jaycee might have come across shayna's myspace page sometime last spring/summer.

I don't know how anyone would know this...It is all speculation.
One day maybe she will tell us if and what she knew and or how long she knew it ! ! !

 

[Natal]

you sound like nancy's lawyers.

Why would Nancy's lawyers be concerned with that?

You are not interested in how his psycological state evolved over the 22 or so years after his release? I think it has direct bearing on this case, not to mention that it reflects the type of other criminal activity he might have been involved in. I think that there is a good chance that there were other victims in the early years, but not in the later years where any crimes would more likely to have been things like fraud and such.

 

[songline]

Why would Nancy's lawyers be concerned with that?

You are not interested in how his psycological state evolved over the 22 or so years after his release? I think it has direct bearing on this case, not to mention that it reflects the type of other criminal activity he might have been involved in. I think that there is a good chance that there were other victims in the early years, but not in the later years where any crimes would more likely to have been things like fraud and such.

NO I could not care less about him. I am not writing a report on mental cases. so his psychological status does not matter Unless I was studying mental patients. I am not his lawyer working to help the nut, I am not even a little interested in anything short of him getting what he deserves, and I see nothing good coming for him.

 

[songline]

Santos wrote a more detailed report in September (the first part of this pdf). Some of the details are different from what he wrote in the parole report sheets though (for example, the interviewing seargent's name changes, among other things). This seems to be the source material for Shaw's report.

One snippet we didnt know before: on page PG00056 Garrido was asked if Jaycee knew where her parents were (this was after he confessed) and he replied that they were in LA, so he must have know that they had gone back there.

I can see him keeping track to cover his butt...But he did not answer to the question when asked did JC know?

 

[songline]

Santos wrote a more detailed report in September (the first part of this pdf). Some of the details are different from what he wrote in the parole report sheets though (for example, the interviewing seargent's name changes, among other things). This seems to be the source material for Shaw's report.

One snippet we didnt know before: on page PG00056 Garrido was asked if Jaycee knew where her parents were (this was after he confessed) and he replied that they were in LA, so he must have know that they had gone back there.

His report should be examined for pathological reasons too...it may be looking more like a puzzle then a report.

 

[Natal]

I can see him keeping track to cover his butt...But he did not answer to the question when asked did JC know?

It isn't a transcript, it is Santos's recollection. We don't know what he specifically said.

 

[songline]

It isn't a transcript, it is Santos's recollection. We don't know what he specifically said.

I reply to your post what you wrote.
PG He was asked specifically if JC knew where her parents are ????
and now you are in defense the reply - defending the wrong side again. whatever.. :waitasec:

 

[Natal]

I reply to your post what you wrote.
PG He was asked specifically if JC knew where her parents are ????
and now you are in defense the reply - defending the wrong side again. whatever.. :waitasec:

That was Santos's recollection...he asked the question and got an answer, the gist of it is that at least Garrido knew and by implication Jaycee knew. You can't draw conclusions off nuances on the wording without an actual transcript or recording however, which is what you are trying to do.

 

[kbl8201]

Why would Nancy's lawyers be concerned with that?

You are not interested in how his psycological state evolved over the 22 or so years after his release? I think it has direct bearing on this case, not to mention that it reflects the type of other criminal activity he might have been involved in. I think that there is a good chance that there were other victims in the early years, but not in the later years where any crimes would more likely to have been things like fraud and such.

i dont give a rats patootie what his mental state was, is, or will be.
being evil does not make you insane
and i dont work for the defense, so it is not my concern or my job to sit here and make excuses for him.

 

[BeenaBobba]

i dont give a rats patootie what his mental state was, is, or will be.
being evil does not make you insane
and i dont work for the defense, so it is not my concern or my job to sit here and make excuses for him.

I really don't care about PG, and I do not believe he is legally insane; however, I have to admit that I am curious about his various states of mind throughout the years, mainly because I'm interested in criminal psychology. His actions are obviously inexcusable, but I am interested in learning how and why he's the way he is.

 

[kbl8201]

beena bobba my bud............i dont want you in a straightjacket after you try to figure out what makes this sicko tick

 

[BeenaBobba]

beena bobba my bud............i dont want you in a straightjacket after you try to figure out what makes this sicko tick

LOL! I'm sure his mind is a dark and dangerous place, that's for sure. I've always been really interested in criminal minds from scientific and philosophical perspectives. Some of my interest is mere curiosity, but I'm also interested in knowing why they think the way they do and if/how their crimes can be prevented.

 

[songline]

LOL! I'm sure his mind is a dark and dangerous place, that's for sure. I've always been really interested in criminal minds from scientific and philosophical perspectives. Some of my interest is mere curiosity, but I'm also interested in knowing why they think the way they do and if/how their crimes can be prevented.

Heath Ledger tried to figure out a very dark character and look where he ended up. :crazy:
sure it was a mix of drugs, but the days of doing that last film effected him deeply.

I am not so sure we need to figure them out. I do think that those who do study this stuff should have a lot of centering and balancing work done too. (yes it is an important study , not cut out for everyone)

 

[songline]

That was Santos's recollection...he asked the question and got an answer, the gist of it is that at least Garrido knew and by implication Jaycee knew. You can't draw conclusions off nuances on the wording without an actual transcript or recording however, which is what you are trying to do.

He asked a direct question about what JC knew..A direct reply was avoided. YOUR POST - Santos did remember a reply but not a direct reply :waitasec:
OK - whatever....