Ellen Degeneres under fire for giving away dog

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jeana- THANK YOU!
 
  • #282
To all those bashing rescue groups, I had a very good experience with my local Lab rescue and thanks to them we have had our Lab - a dog we could afford- for 3 years starting as a 3 mo. old puppy. The fees were only $90 for 6 months worth of listings. They called me with referrals right away. I specifically requested a puppy and they were good about that. We did have to fill out an application and answer questions like if we had a fenced yard and a vet lined up. The only stipulation was that we would lose our $180 deposit if we didn't prove that we spayed her when she was 6 months old, and we did that. The puppies were in a foster home about a 2 hour drive from us. We got to pick from 3 puppies and weren't pressured to take the siblings. There wasn't any "your child is too young" garbage. (My daughter was 31/2). The follow-up was a phone call the next day to see how things were going. I highly recommend Golden Gate Lab Rescue to anyone who lives in the S.F. Bay Area. They also have trial periods for dogs and a good website.
The animal shelters were filled with rejects and mostly pit bulls.:sick: We started there first.
 
  • #283
Ellen's particular rescue group does sound wierd with their rules and fees and is NOT typical of most rescue associations. I will not hesistate to get another rescue dog in the future.
 
  • #284
I saw something in an article which was quoting another message board. The guy who wrote it stated that we need closure to this episode w/ Iggy & Ellen, so he suggested that the case should be brought before Judge Judy to decide.

I love it!!
 
  • #285
One good thing I've seen in the last few days, because of the Iggy issue, is the exposure of puppy mills via daily television programs.

Another thing I noticed in a report today was the issue about the State of California and the pet rescue lady. Apparently, California's concern is the incorporation papers and not filing necessary information for the group to stay incorporated. I don't know California law, but it seems incorporation is probably required if a group wants to maintain non-profit status (I don't recall if the rescue is non-profit, so I'm speculating). Anyway, the state isn't questioning the rescue group's practices. It is saying they haven't filed the necessary information to remain incorporated.

Non-profit really doesn't mean what it sounds like either. It just means that after all the bills and salaries are paid that a corporation doesn't pay out profits to stock holders.

In my opinion, it seems like the media has taken this bone and run with it, twisting a lot of things on both sides so it will generate reader and listener interest.
 
  • #286
LinasK said:
To all those bashing rescue groups,

No one here is bashing good rescue groups. The problem is the bad ones and they are going to be making it hard for groups who put a lot ot time and money into rescuing animals.

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Miss Uppity enforced her contract legally. Ellen admits that. Ellen admits she is wrong in that respect. However, there is a difference between doing what you have the right to do and doing the right thing. I have the right to ignore my neighbors car that won't start. But it's the right thing to help her. All Ellen wanted was for Miss Uppity to do the right thing. She chose not to. When you chose not to do the right thing, people won't perceive you as being a very nice person. Which is exactly what is happening here.
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  • #287
SuziQ said:
LinasK said:
To all those bashing rescue groups,

No one here is bashing good rescue groups. The problem is the bad ones and they are going to be making it hard for groups who put a lot ot time and money into rescuing animals.

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Miss Uppity enforced her contract legally. Ellen admits that. Ellen admits she is wrong in that respect. However, there is a difference between doing what you have the right to do and doing the right thing. I have the right to ignore my neighbors car that won't start. But it's the right thing to help her. All Ellen wanted was for Miss Uppity to do the right thing. She chose not to. When you chose not to do the right thing, people won't perceive you as being a very nice person. Which is exactly what is happening here.
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I did say that this is an atypical rescue group. Their rules are just plain wierd, their fees excessive, and they should have done a home visit with the hairdresser's family instead of replacing the dog with another family.
But I have read several posts on the 11 pages of this thread bashing rescue groups in general, over shelters and pet stores. I'm standing up for reputable rescue groups such as the Golden Gate Lab Rescue Association!
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  • #288
SuziQ said:
LinasK said:
To all those bashing rescue groups,

No one here is bashing good rescue groups. The problem is the bad ones and they are going to be making it hard for groups who put a lot ot time and money into rescuing animals.

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Miss Uppity enforced her contract legally. Ellen admits that. Ellen admits she is wrong in that respect. However, there is a difference between doing what you have the right to do and doing the right thing. I have the right to ignore my neighbors car that won't start. But it's the right thing to help her. All Ellen wanted was for Miss Uppity to do the right thing. She chose not to. When you chose not to do the right thing, people won't perceive you as being a very nice person. Which is exactly what is happening here.
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Good post SuziQ

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  • #289
:clap: :clap: Thanks Lina...there ARE good rescues out there! :blowkiss:
Great Dane Rescue of North Texas (Dallas/Ft Worth), Las Lomas K-9 Rescue (San Antonio), Etosha rescue (Austin) are the ones I've dealt with in Texas...and they are ALL wonderful!!
Las Lomas...where I adopted Tyson didn't even do a home check after she talked to my vet, and personal references, one being the other rescue I adopted from in Austin, even though their rules/contract said a home check will be done. I had owned 4 other Danes so she knew he would be in a good home with an experienced owner. I picked him up a week after I filled out the online application.
 
  • #290
Off Topic

SadieMae, if you don't quit talking about Dane's I'm going to have to go get me one. I passed on the chance to get one free recently, passed it up and have been kicking myself ever since!
 
  • #291
weekender said:
I saw something in an article which was quoting another message board. The guy who wrote it stated that we need closure to this episode w/ Iggy & Ellen, so he suggested that the case should be brought before Judge Judy to decide.

I love it!!
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Instead of Judge Judy...how about we get the Judge in ANS's case to hear it! He could cry right along with Ellen and appoint a Guardian Ad Litem for Iggy until this matter is resolved. hehehe :D
 
  • #292
SuziQ said:
Off Topic

SadieMae, if you don't quit talking about Dane's I'm going to have to go get me one. I passed on the chance to get one free recently, passed it up and have been kicking myself ever since!
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You would have fallen in LOVE!!!
 
  • #293
just for the record.. nobody was bashing rescue groups. i think we all agree they are a good thing, in theory, and very often,, in practice. the trouble is,, they seem to be a magnet for middle-age crazy women with control issues and hoarding issues... ond also issues with treating animals better than people. (even though they might have good reason to do that!)
 
  • #294
reb said:
just for the record.. nobody was bashing rescue groups. i think we all agree they are a good thing, in theory, and very often,, in practice. the trouble is,, they seem to be a magnet for middle-age crazy women with control issues and hoarding issues... and also issues with treating animals better than people. (even though they might have good reason to do that!)
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Even the good rescue groups sometimes get these gals...our excellent no-kill shelter here had one (years ago, TG) - she was adamant that their dogs never be put outside in our fenced yard alone - that we had to be out there with them every second or we couldn't have the dog. She told us some crazy tale about dognappers in pick-ups hauling horse trailers driving up and down alleys in our rather expensive neighborhood stealing dogs from yards - I guess they were gonna fly over our 6' locked privacy fence (with no-one seeing them) and grab the dog while it did it's business?

Yep, those off the chain gals get a bit loopy - and WAY too attached to the animals - they don't really want you to adopt an animal because they want to (legally) keep them all there forever - nothing more than sanctioned hoarding with donations and volunteers. They LIKE the control and their "rightful" scorn at all those who don't devote every second of their lives (excluding everyone and everything else )to their pets. They frequently operate out of their home, cherry pick dogs from kill shelters and have no actual "shelter facility" and their "rules" and fees are beyond ridiculous. "Mutts and Moms" but no adoptions to other "Moms" with children under 14? I think they mean "Moms Of Mutts" - they aren't going to adopt many dogs to "Moms" with their rules....oh and the threats of taking back the dog at any minute if you don't kowtow to them and their rules and pay "proper respect" to "she who bestows the dogs".

The "rule" with most no-kill shelters and good breeders is that they will take any of their dogs back at any time IF YOU CANNOT KEEP IT - ie: don't take it to a shelter, bring it back to us. You agree not to "throw away" the dog...but that isn't what Ellen did.

I am an animal Mom (2 cats 2 dogs) and have rescued, fixed and found homes for many strays and abandoned animals at 100% MY OWN COST. I am VERY picky about my "kids" and also any I place but geez, this woman is just a tad overboard in her zealousness - and think of the great PR opportunity she BLEW with Ellen? What was she thinking - except "she was gonna take on the rich star and WIN" at any cost. Due to her attitude "Mutts & Moms" will be history within 6 months. ..but the looopy lou will start another "quasi" shelter somewhere else with a new name. This is probably her 5th or 6th "shelter/rescue" already.

Wonder how Ellen found these folks? Not somewhere I would adopt from...I would have RUN like the wind. No wonder poor Iggy had "issues" - look at his rescuer.

Good NO KILL Shelters are awesome and when they do it right we should ALL support them Give your donations to a verified, professional REAL NO-KILL SHELTER - not people like "Mutts and Moms"- don't encourage these unprofessional, unsanctioned, fly by night folks - hardly better than back yard breeders and puppy mills really....no matter what they SAY.

My Opinion
 
  • #295
I wonder how we could go about researching to see if this woman has had more than one operation? Hmmmm...I bet we have some sleuthers here that could find that out. LOL Not that it matters, but I would like to know.

You hit the nail on the head with the terminology of a "Hoarder". She sure gives off that impression from the contract to her actions thus far.
 
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fundiva said:
Not according to the videos, or the owners. The owners called the police after she picked up the dog and said she was taking it. In the video at least, the Moms & Mutts rep was holding the dog and walking with it away from the rest of the group. The dog did not appear to be trying to get away or in distress at any time. The police came and checked the chip, which had the rescue person's name on it, which indicated she was still the owner, so she was allowed to leave with HER (legally) dog.
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It doesn't matter who called the police! The point is that the police were there and had to let the witch take the dog! The mother could fight and end up in jail or let the witch take the dog...
 
  • #299
The resucers have succesfully done their job by removing what was a homeless doggy from a nice new home. This makes perfect sense to me. It is deffinilty more important we never ever break any rule then a dog be given a good home. The Rescuers should deffinilty have Ellen D, hauled out into the street and stoned for not reading what she signed and giving her new puppy to a nice new home instead of back to an animal orphanage. Deffinitly terrible problem solving skills on the part of Ellen D.
Stone Ellen and keep Iggy a permanet orphan!!! The people here who have descirbed the animal rescuers as ladies with control issues are describing my experience exactly. I will not step foot in my local animal shelter ever again and next time I want a new cat I am just putting a bowl of cat food out on the front stoop with a vacency sign. Poor Iggy.

mjak

PS. I am not going to bore you with the horrible treatement I went threw when getting my cat from my local shelter Nazi.
 
  • #300
mjak said:
The resucers have succesfully done their job by removing what was a homeless doggy from a nice new home. This makes perfect sense to me. It is deffinilty more important we never ever break any rule then a dog be given a good home. The Rescuers should deffinilty have Ellen D, hauled out into the street and stoned for not reading what she signed and giving her new puppy to a nice new home instead of back to an animal orphanage. Deffinitly terrible problem solving skills on the part of Ellen D.
Stone Ellen and keep Iggy a permanet orphan!!! The people here who have descirbed the animal rescuers as ladies with control issues are describing my experience exactly. I will not step foot in my local animal shelter ever again and next time I want a new cat I am just putting a bowl of cat food out on the front stoop with a vacency sign. Poor Iggy.

mjak

PS. I am not going to bore you with the horrible treatement I went threw when getting my cat from my local shelter Nazi.
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I am familiar with shelter Nazi's ...
One time Worf got lost and the women who found him took him to the shelter.
When I went to pick him up the jerk at the front desk tried to refuse to give him to me. Saying I had to prove he was my dog..... UM I had the receipt from purchasing him and his AKC registration.. Also I heard him barking and said ... that is my dog.
I think the guy just wanted to keep him for himself..
I did threaten to call the police...
 
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