Emails From Cindy and her family

[PhoneBoothBandit]

You're correct, Cindy didn't kill Caylee. I only hold Cindy responsible for allowing her Granddaughters body to rot in the woods, and while a lie is just a mistruth, a rotting body isn't murder. The Rues according to Cindy.
No wonder that family is effed up.

Did Cindy put Caylee there? Was Cindy aware the body was there? Do you think Cindy would rather her grandaughter decomposing in the woods rather than celebrating her birthday and xmas with her? I personally guess 'NO' to all of the above.

It's Casey's fault and her fault only that Caylee was decomposing in the woods because she damn well murdered her and put her there! At this point the only thing Cindy is guilty of is being deluded enough to believe Casey's lies.

 

[zoey]

I don't have a problem with rick at all...I see where he is coming from--he is also viewing his parents going down hill when all this broke...I also don't think ca is all that innocent of name calling or whatever else..her ability to spin a tale and throw innocent people under the bus seemed to come quite well--I think if she wasn't in the protection of the "good family" image that perhaps they would have found little Caylees body sooner..but she continued on this route and only associated with those who stood by her "alive" theory--if you didn't agree--off you went under the bus---

 

[pirate]

It's Casey's fault and her fault only that Caylee was decomposing in the woods because she damn well murdered her and put her there! At this point the only thing Cindy is guilty of is being deluded enough to believe Casey's lies.

She is also guilty of interfering in the investigation- washing the clothing, changing her story and telling the public that their own investigators were finding Casey's story to be credible.

She is a liar and she obstructed justice.

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

A lovely post, and I completely agree, in fact, I'd take it one step further in reference to the bold above. In Cindy's place, to save my daughter, I might well stand by her lies. But this I do know: I would NEVER, for anyone's sake--including Casey's or even Caylee's--allow myself to stoop to trying to pin the blame on other people's innocent adult children, such as JG or AH. I firmly believe that CA is willing and able to let someone she knows in her heart is innocent, spend their life in jail or suffer the DP for Casey's crime. And she could have succeeded if Jesse's dad weren't a minister, or if none of them could have afforded a lawyer to stand up against Casey's Dream Team.

As a parent of adult children, I cannot excuse her for that. In fact, I find her intentions just as reprehensible and illegal as the cold-blooded murder of her granddaughter.

IMHO.

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

 

[Gaia713]

I completely disagree, especially with the bolded part, but I admire your conviction.

At the end of the day, the only thing that really matters to me is that Caylee recieves justice and KC never sees freedom ever again.

Thanks for the debate. We'll agree to disagree.

I agree with Turbo. Cindy KNEW what Casey was like - she even CALLED her a sociopath herself. But she did NOTHING to protect Caylee from this sick, sick person. She aided and abetted the sickness. I truly believe that Caylee is dead because Casey wanted to "get back" at her mother. And the mother continues to defend her by refusing to turn over the JCP receipts to LE when asked for them. She refused to start looking for Caylee when she didn't see her for two or three days. She WAITED until she found Casey. She KNEW the minute she told the 911 operator that the smell of death was in that car and still, she washed her daughter's clothes and cleaned up things. She lost Caylee and long time before her "godo mother" daughter murdered that child. The victim is CAYLEE, not Cindy. Cindy told the truth on that call to 9911 - ever since that it has been covering up for Casey and to hell with Caylee.

 

[marlap]

I agree with Turbo. Cindy KNEW what Casey was like - she even CALLED her a sociopath herself. But she did NOTHING to protect Caylee from this sick, sick person. She aided and abetted the sickness. I truly believe that Caylee is dead because Casey wanted to "get back" at her mother. And the mother continues to defend her by refusing to turn over the JCP receipts to LE when asked for them. She refused to start looking for Caylee when she didn't see her for two or three days. She WAITED until she found Casey. She KNEW the minute she told the 911 operator that the smell of death was in that car and still, she washed her daughter's clothes and cleaned up things. She lost Caylee and long time before her "godo mother" daughter murdered that child. The victim is CAYLEE, not Cindy. Cindy told the truth on that call to 9911 - ever since that it has been covering up for Casey and to hell with Caylee.

Of course the victim is Caylee. But she isn't Casey's only victim.

I would phrase my feeling as:

The criminal is Casey, not Cindy (or anyone else).

Poor parenting or enabling behavior is common and pervasive. Cindy and George are not responsible for Caylee's death. Casey is. period.

Casey is the criminal, no one else.

 

[darnudes]

By the familys own testimony Casey had never lived away from home, ever. CA/GA should have called the police when Casey and Caylee first went missing. I think they are culpable in their silence for 31 days. You have to ask yourself why didn't they want to call the police.

 

[marlap]

By the familys own testimony Casey had never lived away from home, ever. CA/GA should have called the police when Casey and Caylee first went missing. I think they are culpable in their silence for 31 days. You have to ask yourself why didn't they want to call the police.

Casey was calling Cindy every day and giving "explanations" as to where she and Caylee were and kept promising Cindy she would bring Caylee over.

They weren't "missing" in the true sense of the word. There was nothing Cindy could call the police for technically. If she had, the police wouldn't have done anything.

If Cindy had no idea where Casey and Caylee were and had not heard a word from Casey and Casey wans't answering her cell phone, etc. ... I believe Cindy would have called the police within a day or two at most. She would have been calling her friends, calling hospitals etc.

Casey was calling Cindy and returning her calls. She just wouldn't bring Caylee over.

 

[darnudes]

Casey was calling Cindy every day and giving "explanations" as to where she and Caylee were and kept promising Cindy she would bring Caylee over.

They weren't "missing" in the true sense of the word. There was nothing Cindy could call the police for technically. If she had, the police wouldn't have done anything.

If Cindy had no idea where Casey and Caylee were and had not heard a word from Casey and Casey wans't answering her cell phone, etc. ... I believe Cindy would have called the police within a day or two at most. She would have been calling her friends, calling hospitals etc.

Casey was calling Cindy and returning her calls. She just wouldn't bring Caylee over.

Calls and texts aside, Casey and Caylee had never been gone from the Anthony house for this length of time, EVER. CA must have been going out of her mind with the lack of control she had on the situation and still she does not call the police. CA as the prime carer and financial provider for Caylee must have known something was wrong. She only calls the police when she absolutely has to and she makes a stolen car report. She could have done that weeks earlier.

 

[marlap]

Calls and texts aside, Casey and Caylee had never been gone from the Anthony house for this length of time, EVER. CA must have been going out of her mind with the lack of control she had on the situation and still she does not call the police. CA as the prime carer and financial provider for Caylee must have known something was wrong. She only calls the police when she absolutely has to and she makes a stolen car report. She could have done that weeks earlier.

The police couldn't do anything. She was in touch with Casey and Casey is an adult. There's no way Cindy would have anticipated Casey would actually hurt Caylee.

If Cindy had called police, with no knowledge of harm coming to Caylee, they would not have done anything at all. Cindy didn't know what Casey had done.

OOps, I am realizing I've gone way off topic for this thread. Nite all.

 

[essies]

The police couldn't do anything. She was in touch with Casey and Casey is an adult. There's no way Cindy would have anticipated Casey would actually hurt Caylee.

If Cindy had called police, with no knowledge of harm coming to Caylee, they would not have done anything at all.

Cindy didn't know what Casey had done.

I think Darnudes meant CA could have made a stolen car report weeks earlier. The Pontiac wasn't in KC's name it was in CA's name.
CA was very controlling, but at the same time-she wasn' very good at it. GA and KC were effing up constantly!! CA was always taking care of whatever messes they got themselves into.
I think CA learned a long time ago that pushing or threatning KC didn't get her anywhere. That's why she trys to control her by softpeddling the situation. CA thinks she's manipulating KC-in fact, KC is the one manipulating CA and the whole family.

 

[marlap]

I think Darnudes meant CA could have made a stolen car report weeks earlier. The Pontiac wasn't in KC's name it was in CA's name.
CA was very controlling, but at the same time-she wasn' very good at it. GA and KC were effing up constantly!! CA was always taking care of whatever messes they got themselves into.
I think CA learned a long time ago that pushing or threatning KC didn't get her anywhere. That's why she trys to control her by softpeddling the situation. CA thinks she's manipulating KC-in fact, KC is the one manipulating CA and the whole family.

Yes, that is exactly right!

 

[QuietStorm]

I agree 100%. And I do hope that Cindy ends up facing charges for her changes of story and lies throughout the last several months.

She is a sick, sick woman and I want to see her pay for her actions.

Had she held her ground and demanded the truth from Casey, prior to Caylee's death, maybe that sweet little girl would still be alive today.

If you recall one of the earliest videos of CA talking to LE way back in the beginning, you will remember that she told LE she did not care what happened to KC, that she just wanted Caylee found. I don't have the exact words, but IIRC, she said more than once that she didn't care what happened to KC. I believe this to be her true feelings. I think the about-face was purely to get Caylee back and everything in-between was denial.

Time will tell.

And about CA's brother, I think less vulgar words would have sufficed to get his meaning across. I would not disown my brother for what he said to me, but I might for how he said it.

 

[QuietStorm]

What I meant by my comment was that there were obviously signs that Casey had problems before June of 2008. Stealing money, claiming to work but not working- and not just for a few months, but for TWO YEARS! Her claims that JG was the father.

So many signs- enough that Cindy sought help from a professional mental health counselor. Given Casey's obvious instability, she waited too long to confront it.

My son is a 33-year-old paranoid schizophrenic and like most schizophrenics, he goes off his meds often and at will. The result is chaos for himself, our family, his neighbors, and anyone who enters his circle of delusion. Any time I've let him come home during these "no medication" times has resulted in some sort of harm done to me or my family or our property.

We have sought help for him since he was a pre-teen but he was not diagnosed until his early 20's. He's been in and out of the legal system, off and on his medications, loving or unloving towards his family on his own sick terms.

After years of his illness and actions, we had to close ranks and not let him near us when he is not medicated. It breaks my heart when he chooses to live on the streets rather than take his medication. He does have a mental health facility that will help him when he asks for it or falls within that narrow legal margin where help against his will is required. He also has a place to live when medicated due to a loving but firm step-brother. Yet time after time my son goes off his medication, becomes homeless, ends up hurting someone, and goes back into the legal system.

It is so sad and also so maddening because we can't get through to him and the legal system is so slow to respond. It's dangerous to call the police because if his mental state is unstable, the police could end up killing him out of fear. The crisis lines tell us to call the police, have the police take him to the hospital, have the hospital assess him, and then he can be treated involuntarily. This is an unrealistic solution. After all these years, my son knows exactly what to say and how to say it to keep from being hospitalized.

Are you a danger to yourself? Why no, doctor. Are you a danger to others? Why no, doctor. OK, you're free to go. Why thanks, doctor.



And so it goes.

There comes a time when all parents of mentally or psychologically impaired children (adults or minors) must make those children accountable for their actions. Not to do so is ABUSE and NEGLECT, not love or patience. Any sick child needs TREATMENT and to enable that child causes irrepairable harm to that child and to society at large.

A broken mind must be re-set the same as a broken bone.

Not getting KC treated for her emotional problems LONG BEFORE Caylee's birth was child endangerment. KC may have needed treatment before she was 18 and certainly needed it after she became "an adult." No matter her age, she was still a dependent of her parents. And so, when the endangered child named KC became the mother of a child named Caylee, that baby became endangered. Unfortunately, the broken bonds managed to come full circle and the result was chaos, pure and simple.

Yet not so pure, and tragically for Caylee and those who truly loved her, not so simple.

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

My son is a 33-year-old paranoid schizophrenic and like most schizophrenics, he goes off his meds often and at will. The result is chaos for himself, our family, his neighbors, and anyone who enters his circle of delusion. Any time I've let him come home during these "no medication" times has resulted in some sort of harm done to me or my family or our property.

We have sought help for him since he was a pre-teen but he was not diagnosed until his early 20's. He's been in and out of the legal system, off and on his medications, loving or unloving towards his family on his own sick terms.

After years of his illness and actions, we had to close ranks and not let him near us when he is not medicated. It breaks my heart when he chooses to live on the streets rather than take his medication. He does have a mental health facility that will help him when he asks for it or falls within that narrow legal margin where help against his will is required. He also has a place to live when medicated due to a loving but firm step-brother. Yet time after time my son goes off his medication, becomes homeless, ends up hurting someone, and goes back into the legal system.

It is so sad and also so maddening because we can't get through to him and the legal system is so slow to respond. It's dangerous to call the police because if his mental state is unstable, the police could end up killing him out of fear. The crisis lines tell us to call the police, have the police take him to the hospital, have the hospital assess him, and then he can be treated involuntarily. This is an unrealistic solution. After all these years, my son knows exactly what to say and how to say it to keep from being hospitalized.

Are you a danger to yourself? Why no, doctor. Are you a danger to others? Why no, doctor. OK, you're free to go. Why thanks, doctor.



And so it goes.

There comes a time when all parents of mentally or psychologically impaired children (adults or minors) must make those children accountable for their actions. Not to do so is ABUSE and NEGLECT, not love or patience. Any sick child needs TREATMENT and to enable that child causes irrepairable harm to that child and to society at large.

A broken mind must be re-set the same as a broken bone.

Not getting KC treated for her emotional problems LONG BEFORE Caylee's birth was child endangerment. KC may have needed treatment before she was 18 and certainly needed it after she became "an adult." No matter her age, she was still a dependent of her parents. And so, when the endangered child named KC became the mother of a child named Caylee, that baby became endangered. Unfortunately, the broken bonds managed to come full circle and the result was chaos, pure and simple.

Yet not so pure, and tragically for Caylee and those who truly loved her, not so simple.

My Mother In Law told me when my kids were little...They will step on your toes now when they get older they will step on your heart. How true. I can not imagine how you feel at any given time. I am sorry for your situation. I hope with your post, somone may gain some insight to their own situation. I like the fact more people are sharing their life experience and I know mental illness is not the correct wording but I can not find the correct wording right now but if we talk about it, then there is no shame, and if there is no shame, then more people will get the help they need. So thank you, you are helping others.

 

[QuietStorm]

My Mother In Law told me when my kids were little...They will step on your toes now when they get older they will step on your heart. How true. I can not imagine how you feel at any given time. I am sorry for your situation. I hope with your post, somone may gain some insight to their own situation. I like the fact more people are sharing their life experience and I know mental illness is not the correct wording but I can not find the correct wording right now but if we talk about it, then there is no shame, and if there is no shame, then more people will get the help they need. So thank you, you are helping others.

My son does have a mental illness, so while I don't think it's his fault that he has it, I do think he has a responsibility to manage it.

My heart and toes have both bled. Wounds heal if you don't pick at them, my mom always said. It did take many years for us (me) to realize the difference between love/enabling and love/accountability.

Thank you for your kind words. They mean a lot. Have a great New Year's!

 

[curves]

I am STUNNED that KC was lying about the fact that she was pregnant at 7 months - and that CA believed her!! That takes that relationship to a whole new level of scarey, IMO.

I also believe that CA really did love Caylee and probably did live for her as per the emails - but what I then can't understand is how she appears to have just dumped Caylee to save KC. Like other posters have said, she could have come forward and stated that she loves KC, she is her daughter and she will support her, but that she doesn't believe KC's story about Zanny. She could have given Tim Caylee's clothes to help him search for her. She could have not changed her story regarding the smell in KC's car, or washed KC's pants...it's like Caylee and justice for Caylee arn't important anymore.

 

[kh1967]

My son is a 33-year-old paranoid schizophrenic and like most schizophrenics, he goes off his meds often and at will. The result is chaos for himself, our family, his neighbors, and anyone who enters his circle of delusion. Any time I've let him come home during these "no medication" times has resulted in some sort of harm done to me or my family or our property.

We have sought help for him since he was a pre-teen but he was not diagnosed until his early 20's. He's been in and out of the legal system, off and on his medications, loving or unloving towards his family on his own sick terms.

After years of his illness and actions, we had to close ranks and not let him near us when he is not medicated. It breaks my heart when he chooses to live on the streets rather than take his medication. He does have a mental health facility that will help him when he asks for it or falls within that narrow legal margin where help against his will is required. He also has a place to live when medicated due to a loving but firm step-brother. Yet time after time my son goes off his medication, becomes homeless, ends up hurting someone, and goes back into the legal system.

It is so sad and also so maddening because we can't get through to him and the legal system is so slow to respond. It's dangerous to call the police because if his mental state is unstable, the police could end up killing him out of fear. The crisis lines tell us to call the police, have the police take him to the hospital, have the hospital assess him, and then he can be treated involuntarily. This is an unrealistic solution. After all these years, my son knows exactly what to say and how to say it to keep from being hospitalized.

Are you a danger to yourself? Why no, doctor. Are you a danger to others? Why no, doctor. OK, you're free to go. Why thanks, doctor.



And so it goes.

There comes a time when all parents of mentally or psychologically impaired children (adults or minors) must make those children accountable for their actions. Not to do so is ABUSE and NEGLECT, not love or patience. Any sick child needs TREATMENT and to enable that child causes irrepairable harm to that child and to society at large.

A broken mind must be re-set the same as a broken bone.

Not getting KC treated for her emotional problems LONG BEFORE Caylee's birth was child endangerment. KC may have needed treatment before she was 18 and certainly needed it after she became "an adult." No matter her age, she was still a dependent of her parents. And so, when the endangered child named KC became the mother of a child named Caylee, that baby became endangered. Unfortunately, the broken bonds managed to come full circle and the result was chaos, pure and simple.

Yet not so pure, and tragically for Caylee and those who truly loved her, not so simple.

Thank you for sharing. I too have the same situation with my only sister, who now has a son (just like her) who now has a son (just like him). The broken bonds have come full circle and the result is chaos, pure and simple.

 

[QuietStorm]

Thank you for sharing. I too have the same situation with my only sister, who now has a son (just like her) who now has a son (just like him). The broken bonds have come full circle and the result is chaos, pure and simple.

You have my deepest sympathies. I am praying that my son's daughter escapes his illness. She is almost 10 and so much like him (before his illness was so profound). I worry about her but her mother cut me off from her a year ago after I called child protective services and told them her drug-addicted grandfather was living with my granddaughter, sleeping in her bed.

I can't imagine if it was any one of my sisters who was ill. That must be so sad seeing her and her family sink into that cycle. My heart goes out to you.

 

[kh1967]

You have my deepest sympathies. I am praying that my son's daughter escapes his illness. She is almost 10 and so much like him (before his illness was so profound). I worry about her but her mother cut me off from her a year ago after I called child protective services and told them her drug-addicted grandfather was living with my granddaughter, sleeping in her bed.

I can't imagine if it was any one of my sisters who was ill. That must be so sad seeing her and her family sink into that cycle. My heart goes out to you.

Thank you for your kind words.:blowkiss: