Emergency custody papers filed by mother of JI's son 11/14/11

[Elley Mae]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that maybe jeremy didn't pursue child support since he did get full custody.

I didn't go after daughter's bio for support, from 4 yrs on. And he didn't ask to see her. So all was good.

 

[askfornina]

I still suspect she was deported. I don't know why Steve Young would have said that if it wasn't true. Those records are not public, so we would have no way of knowing. But LE/FBI would have access and know that. I wish I could find where he said that. :banghead: Does anybody else remember that at all, or am I losing my mind? :crazy:

i searched for it for about 30 minutes about a week ago, but didn't have any luck. do you remember any other details about it? if you can give me more to go on, i might be able to find it. (if it exists) lol

 

[cityslick]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that maybe jeremy didn't pursue child support since he did get full custody.

I didn't go after daughter's bio for support, from 4 yrs on. And he didn't ask to see her. So all was good.

My friend had the exact same scenario, although she did pursue child support via DFS because it was needed. The guy still never visited his daughter though.

 

[serveitup]

I am most interested in what kind of shoes this birth mother wears or who in this story is most comfortable walking around in heels?

 

[hambirg]

i searched for it for about 30 minutes about a week ago, but didn't have any luck. do you remember any other details about it? if you can give me more to go on, i might be able to find it. (if it exists) lol

It came from Steve Young. . .and it was early, when they had first talked about the bio parents of the boys. I honestly can't remember if it was in print or if it was an interview. BUT he said that RR had been deported. He was basically stating that they had looked at the other parents and they didn't suspect they had anything to do with this.

I remember it, because when I was first made aware of this case, my first suspicions was maybe a jealous ex. Especially, RR had lived in that house and may still have possibly had a key, so I was curious about her.

ETA-I have searched for it a lot, and honestly I think it might have been on one of the raw footage tapes. Haven't those been pulled now? That's the only thing I can think of and I know I watched some of those.

 

[In da Middle]

I still suspect she was deported. I don't know why Steve Young would have said that if it wasn't true. Those records are not public, so we would have no way of knowing. But LE/FBI would have access and know that. I wish I could find where he said that. :banghead: Does anybody else remember that at all, or am I losing my mind? :crazy:

If she was deported, that means that shewas here illegally. how is she now magically legal? If she was back after being deported, why is she now not in fear of being deported again. If she was deported, how is her family still here locally? Not buying the deported thing. Too many barriers to over come since 2008 to let that make sense.

 

[hambirg]

If she was deported, that means that shewas here illegally. how is she now magically legal? If she was back after being deported, why is she now not in fear of being deported again. If she was deported, how is her family still here locally? Not buying the deported thing. Too many barriers to over come since 2008 to let that make sense.

It's not impossible. She could have been here on a Visa. If she let that expire (and was maybe under the impression that her and JI were going to get married) then she would be here illegally when they didn't.

For her to come back legally, we would have to know here family's status. If her parents, or another family member, acquired green cards (or citizenship) during that time, they could petition for her to return (fastest would be her parents).

Do we know for sure she was still in the country in 2008? That would make a difference.

My main obstacle with this is with Steve Young saying it. Why would he say that if it wasn't true? It's not something I would have ever thought of, if he didn't say it. :waitasec:

 

[cityslick]

It's not impossible. She could have been here on a Visa. If she let that expire (and was maybe under the impression that her and JI were going to get married) then she would be here illegally when they didn't.

For her to come back legally, we would have to know here family's status. If her parents, or another family member, acquired green cards (or citizenship) during that time, they could petition for her to return (fastest would be her parents).

Do we know for sure she was still in the country in 2008? That would make a difference.

My main obstacle with this is with Steve Young saying it. Why would he say that if it wasn't true? It's not something I would have ever thought of, if he didn't say it. :waitasec:

I'm not familiar with immigration laws, but is it a fact you can get deported if you conceive a child (who then is a citizen) in the US? I know people all the time get married in order to avoid deportation but I didn't know how that worked with having a child here.

 

[In da Middle]

It's not impossible. She could have been here on a Visa. If she let that expire (and was maybe under the impression that her and JI were going to get married) then she would be here illegally when they didn't.

For her to come back legally, we would have to know here family's status. If her parents, or another family member, acquired green cards (or citizenship) during that time, they could petition for her to return (fastest would be her parents).

Do we know for sure she was still in the country in 2008? That would make a difference.

My main obstacle with this is with Steve Young saying it. Why would he say that if it wasn't true? It's not something I would have ever thought of, if he didn't say it. :waitasec:

BBM
Her address is listed as a south Kansas City address in the 2008 proceedings so I would have to say yes, she was here in 2008.

 

[DeAnn]

ETA-I have searched for it a lot, and honestly I think it might have been on one of the raw footage tapes. Haven't those been pulled now? That's the only thing I can think of and I know I watched some of those.

I seriously doubt you watched raw footage. Raw footage doesn't air, which is what the subpoena was about.

 

[askfornina]

It came from Steve Young. . .and it was early, when they had first talked about the bio parents of the boys. I honestly can't remember if it was in print or if it was an interview. BUT he said that RR had been deported. He was basically stating that they had looked at the other parents and they didn't suspect they had anything to do with this.

I remember it, because when I was first made aware of this case, my first suspicions was maybe a jealous ex. Especially, RR had lived in that house and may still have possibly had a key, so I was curious about her.

ETA-I have searched for it a lot, and honestly I think it might have been on one of the raw footage tapes. Haven't those been pulled now? That's the only thing I can think of and I know I watched some of those.

i have been looking, i haven't been able to find anything. when i google "rasleen raim deported" i get a bunch of posts here, mostly from you actually :giggle: and posts on another forum saying that the deportation issue is unsubstantiated. i have also read here i believe that once being deported, it takes something like 10 years before you can attempt to come back to the US..so i'm thinking it's moot. i'm not doubting you heard what you heard, but i'm guessing SY got it wrong until and unless it's proven otherwise. not trying to knock SY here, just saying if he did say it maybe he was mistaken.

 

[Elley Mae]

i have been looking, i haven't been able to find anything. when i google "rasleen raim deported" i get a bunch of posts here, mostly from you actually :giggle: and posts on another forum saying that the deportation issue is unsubstantiated. i have also read here i believe that once being deported, it takes something like 10 years before you can attempt to come back to the US..so i'm thinking it's moot. i'm not doubting you heard what you heard, but i'm guessing SY got it wrong until and unless it's proven otherwise. not trying to knock SY here, just saying if he did say it maybe he was mistaken.

I did the same and got the same as you, I am thinking it's bs,sad that she is involved in this.

 

[hambirg]

I seriously doubt you watched raw footage. Raw footage doesn't air, which is what the subpoena was about.

Well, there were videos posted that had "extended" coverage. There was the one of a Megan Wright interview too. . .there was the edited version and then a longer unedited version. I think they all came from GMA, but are gone now.

 

[Karmaa]

If all was on the up & up with JI, as it pertains to visitation and child support, then there ought to be further court dates in reference to RR violating a court order to pay child support. There has been no posting that shows any further court hearings RE: Custody & Child Support. If there are links to any such court hearings after 2008, a link would be appreciated.

Someone has to file a complaint in order for an action (and a court order) to occur. I don't have any information saying that Jeremy files an action, do you?

 

[Karmaa]

i searched for it for about 30 minutes about a week ago, but didn't have any luck. do you remember any other details about it? if you can give me more to go on, i might be able to find it. (if it exists) lol

I looked too, and only found a rumor on a nasty website. BUT - logic says she wasn't deported.

When a person is deported they cannot even APPLY to return to the US for at minimum 10 years (and could be much longer, depending on the reason.) If she is now in the US (illegally since the 10 years could not possibly have been met), she would be immediately subject to re-deportation - no hearing, no nothing. Putting herself out there publicly like this would be the dumbest thing she could do.

And, JT would be on that so fast your eyes would spin.

 

[Karmaa]

It's not impossible. She could have been here on a Visa. If she let that expire (and was maybe under the impression that her and JI were going to get married) then she would be here illegally when they didn't.

For her to come back legally, we would have to know here family's status. If her parents, or another family member, acquired green cards (or citizenship) during that time, they could petition for her to return (fastest would be her parents).

Do we know for sure she was still in the country in 2008? That would make a difference.

My main obstacle with this is with Steve Young saying it. Why would he say that if it wasn't true? It's not something I would have ever thought of, if he didn't say it. :waitasec:

Her status would not be dependent on her parent's (or any other family members) status. She could get a 90-day visa based on engagement to a US citizen, however they would have to get married within the 90 days, and she would have to apply for resident status based on the marriage. She would then have to remain married for 2 years (after receiving the status) in order to make it unconditional. If she failed ANY of these things, she would be illegal.

If she overstayed any visa without legally obtaining (or at least requesting) permanent resident status, then she would be illegal. If deported for ANY reason, she would have to wait a minimum of 10 years to even APPLY to re-enter the US. And HLS takes that seriously!

 

[scmom]

Since all we're doing is speculating here anyway, one of the things I've really wondered about is if perhaps RR was threatened with deportation due to having a child with JI out of wedlock. Moral turpitude comes to mind. Seems that both JI and RR would have thought about that before having a child together but as we see from this situation I guess that wasn't a priority.

 

[menmo]

BBM
All I know is if 6 years of no contact, no interest and no support of your child is caring, I'd hate to know what uncaring is.

If sitting on the porch, drinking with your neighbor buddy and God knows who else, to possibly black out drunk status, while your children are inside and you haven't checked on your sick baby girl since 6:40 p.m. is caring any more than that I'll kiss your feet.
I, personally, feel that JI denied and/or bullied her into submission about seeing their son.

I'd be more understanding if this desire to want to reconnect with her child wasn't using this 'event' (a missing child) as a means to do it when that desire apparently wasn't there 6 years prior.

This 'event' may just have given RR enough backbone to know with the world watching she might just get to be able to see her son now. Just because it's been stated she hadn't seen her son doesn't mean to me she didn't want to.

My take is if we're ok with casting suspicion on DB on her abilities as a mother based on her actions of that night, I don't see why the same can't be done for RR, based on her actions for the past 6 years.

RR didn't sit on the porch to black out drunk and her child come up missing either. If you think RR is a bad mom I can't for the life of me understand why you'd think DB is any better?? Just being present in a child's life doesn't make you a saint, as witnessed by DB's actions.

For all any of us know, JI told the mother he wouldn't pursue further action or push her for any child support if she just went away. We don't know what he was holding over her head.

Exactly!

Also, JI's lawyers has said that she had no contact in 6 years, except a chance encounter when they were out and about, plus that she had not paid any child support. (Paraphrased)

I don't trust what JI's attorneys say or do. It's obvious to me that they don't care about these kids as I watch them not urge but defend their client's not participating with LE in the way LE needs them to. Baby Lisa depends on these two and they have let her down. Doesn't sit well as being good parents or good attorneys to me.

Sometimes people make it very difficult to collect on court ordered child support. I have a friend whose wife never received one dime from her ex. Her ex was a drug addict who sponged off of family and never held down a real above board job. She never bothered to go after him because it was a waste of time. Her son is now 23 yrs old.

I collected but it was very random and not the court ordered amount but on the rare occasion he would pay it was a sum he determined was fair, and was much less than any court would have ordered. I didn't need his money and I didn't care to try to collect on it.

If JI was preventing visitation, which would of been in violation of a court order, then it was on her to find a way to make that happen if she wanted badly enough to see her son.

Always RR's fault, right? I can only imagine how he made it hell for her to see her son and while I would have the backbone, stamina and family and friends support to do just that we don't know that RR had that, or that she wasn't manipulated in some way by JI.

I still suspect she was deported. I don't know why Steve Young would have said that if it wasn't true. Those records are not public, so we would have no way of knowing. But LE/FBI would have access and know that. I wish I could find where he said that. :banghead: Does anybody else remember that at all, or am I losing my mind? :crazy:

I thought I heard this early on, too, but have no idea where I heard it. The only forums I go to is this one and I've listened and read many news reports so I don't know if I heard it here or where!


My thoughts have always been that JI manipulated and intimidated RR in her quest to see her son and have a relationship with him. Maybe he thought he was doing it for his son's own good. It's clear to see, for me anyway, that the court left it up to JI to okay the request or not. Ignorant move for any court to leave it to the other parent. Many times there is to much disrespect and contempt for the other for that to ever work well for the benefit of the child or the other parent.

MOO

 

[cityslick]

If sitting on the porch, drinking with your neighbor buddy and God knows who else, to possibly black out drunk status, while your children are inside and you haven't checked on your sick baby girl since 6:40 p.m. is caring any more than that I'll kiss your feet.
I, personally, feel that JI denied and/or bullied her into submission about seeing their son.


This 'event' may just have given RR enough backbone to know with the world watching she might just get to be able to see her son now. Just because it's been stated she hadn't seen her son doesn't mean to me she didn't want to.

RR didn't sit on the porch to black out drunk and her child come up missing either. If you think RR is a bad mom I can't for the life of me understand why you'd think DB is any better?? Just being present in a child's life doesn't make you a saint, as witnessed by DB's actions.


Exactly!


I don't trust what JI's attorneys say or do. It's obvious to me that they don't care about these kids as I watch them not urge but defend their client's not participating with LE in the way LE needs them to. Baby Lisa depends on these two and they have let her down. Doesn't sit well as being good parents or good attorneys to me.


I collected but it was very random and not the court ordered amount but on the rare occasion he would pay it was a sum he determined was fair, and was much less than any court would have ordered. I didn't need his money and I didn't care to try to collect on it.


Always RR's fault, right? I can only imagine how he made it hell for her to see her son and while I would have the backbone, stamina and family and friends support to do just that we don't know that RR had that, or that she wasn't manipulated in some way by JI.


I thought I heard this early on, too, but have no idea where I heard it. The only forums I go to is this one and listened and read many news reports so I don't know if I heard it here or where!


My thoughts have always been that JI manipulated and intimidated RR in her quest to see her son and have a relationship with him. Maybe he thought he was doing it for his son's own good. It's clear to see, for me anyway, that the court left it up to JI to okay the request or not. Ignorant move for any court to leave it to the other parent. Many times there is to much disrespect and contempt for the other for that to ever work well for the benefit of the child or the other parent.

MOO

You're basing your opinions on your feelings to JI/DB, not the bio mom. If this was any other scenario and all you know was a woman who hadn't seen her son in 6 yrs all of a sudden decides to be a mother now, your opinion may be different.

Also, I never said DB was a better mom. My point was we are here judging DB as a mother based on one night but yet this other woman hasn't seen her son for 6 years and she's exempt from criticism?

Nobody is ever going to convince me that you need some sort of 'backbone' to want to be part of your child's life. I can show you numerous examples of parents who would go to the ends of the earth for their children and if you told them they can't see their kids because their ex is 'bullying' them, they would then say 'get ready for WWIII', because there is going to be a war'.

Nobody gives the parents the benefit of the doubt in this case (for valid reasons I might add), but if any parent hasn't had contact with her kid for multiple years with no obvious explanation, I don't see why they should get benefit of the doubt either.

 

[menmo]

You're basing your opinions on your feelings to JI/DB, not the bio mom. If this was any other scenario and all you know was a woman who hadn't seen her son in 6 yrs all of a sudden decides to be a mother now, your opinion may be different.

Also, I never said DB was a better mom. My point was we are here judging DB as a mother based on one night but yet this other woman hasn't seen her son for 6 years and she's exempt from criticism?

Nobody is ever going to convince me that you need some sort of 'backbone' to want to be part of your child's life. I can show you numerous examples of parents who would go to the ends of the earth for their children and if you told them they can't see their kids because their ex is 'bullying' them, they would then say 'get ready for WWIII', because there is going to be a war'.

Nobody gives the parents the benefit of the doubt in this case (for valid reasons I might add), but if any parent hasn't had contact with her kid for multiple years with no obvious explanation, I don't see why they should get benefit of the doubt either.

BBM
I am basing my opinions, yes, on that one night with DB and Baby Lisa's disappearance. She, unlike RR, was left in charge of three children and yet admits to her drinking and state of mind, along with not checking on these children! To me that is equally if not worse than what we know RR has done! I find it very suspect that JI doesn't think RR is good enough for his son, but then in comes DB and has a child with him, does this and he thinks she's okay? Really??? If what he did with his son's mother wasn't out of spite and hate, then tell me why he thinks someone like DB is good enough to parent his child. His judgement is OFF!

MOO