Emergency custody papers filed by mother of JI's son 11/14/11

[Donjeta]

JMO, a sperm donor is someone who donates sperm into a sperm bank so that some other parents can have a child. He is not expected to carry any responsibility for said child.

If someone neglects their children and their responsibility it doesn't make them a sperm donor, it makes them a bad parent.

 

[cityslick]

JMO, a sperm donor is someone who donates sperm into a sperm bank so that some other parents can have a child. He is not expected to carry any responsibility for said child.

If someone neglects their children and their responsibility it doesn't make them a sperm donor, it makes them a bad parent.

Sounds like we have both instances here, although as far as we know, one person has one cited instance of neglect and another has 6 years worth.

 

[Donjeta]

Six years? Where was she for the first three years?

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/11/1...st-time-since-they-reported-daughter-missing/

It says here that she lost custody in 2008. That's three years ago.

 

[cityslick]

Six years? Where was she for the first three years?

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/11/1...st-time-since-they-reported-daughter-missing/

It says here that she lost custody in 2008. That's three years ago.

The custody agreement was in 2005 for supervised visits. I thought I had read that those visits didn't happen since then.

JT said it, so take it for what it's worth:

According to Tacopina, Raim has not paid child support for her son, nor has she attempted to see him in over six years.

"Of course those facts were absent from the lawyer's statement," Tacopina argued Tuesday.

 

[menmo]

Respectfully snipped by me

I keep thinking, what if the house caught on fire while DB was in one of those 3 night a week drunks?

I keep thinking many what if's. I cringed when I heard that she put Baby Lisa to bed with a bottle and wondered why she didn't take the time to hold and love on her while Baby Lisa had her bottle? I imagine that being put to bed with her bottle was DB's norm. My question that keeps coming back to me over and over is what if she choked while she was drinking that bottle? The other kids might not have heard her even if the movie was loud enough.

MOO

 

[Sparklin]

Respectfully snipped by me

I keep thinking many what if's. I cringed when I heard that she put Baby Lisa to bed with a bottle and wondered why she didn't take the time to hold and love on her while Baby Lisa had her bottle? I imagine that being put to bed with her bottle was DB's norm. My question that keeps coming back to me over and over is what if she choked while she was drinking that bottle? The other kids might not have heard her even if the movie was loud enough.

MOO

We can't really say that she didn't cuddle her and hold her and love on her before putting her to bed. My daughters ALWAYS took their bottle in bed after a certain age ~ 11 months for sure. Chances of them letting me cuddle them and 'feed' them a bottle were slim to none

 

[scmom]

Think about the criteria for a man to be considered a "sperm-donor' rather than a father. Now apply it to the mom. That's the criteria.

If you are not easily offended, you can look it up on urban dictionary.

Believe it or not I am aware of what a true egg donor is without having to look it up. What I find offensive is using this term to try to crucify the birth mother of a little boy. The implication of using the term is that the birth mother never cared anything about the child, which is unwarranted. JMO

 

[In da Middle]

Six years?Where was she for the first three years?
http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/11/1...st-time-since-they-reported-daughter-missing/

It says here that she lost custody in 2008. That's three years ago.

She has not lived here since at least 2005. She didn't necessarily lose custody in 08 that was just when it was finally taken to court. The court then put the stipulation that she was to have supervised visits then. Where was she from 2005-2008? - not here. Where was she from 2008-present/ - still not here.

 

[Donjeta]

I wonder what the reason behind requiring supervised visits was. None of my business, I know. But I still wonder.
It doesn't sound like she stands a chance of getting custody but if she is truly interested in rebuilding a relationship with her son and is now capable of positive interaction with him I hope they get a chance to meet regularly.

Is it difficult or expensive for the parent to arrange supervised visits in MO?

 

[askfornina]

keeping an eye out for news from the hearing today. not sure it'll be much, but at least it's something. i hope we get some new developments soon, i'm getting dizzy on this carousel. round and round and round

 

[vlpate]

We can't really say that she didn't cuddle her and hold her and love on her before putting her to bed. My daughters ALWAYS took their bottle in bed after a certain age ~ 11 months for sure. Chances of them letting me cuddle them and 'feed' them a bottle were slim to none

I breast fed - it was not so hard getting into the crib as getting back out

 

[Minette]

Vipate: :floorlaugh:

As of yesterday, this still wasn't listed on Casenet, but I am not sure how timely those records are. Perhaps it is sealed, at least until after any ruling. I wouldn't expect to see (m)any details released, as those appear to be redacted from family court proceedings, but possibly info about whether the gag order is granted will come out today, at least.

 

[Karmaa]

Believe it or not I am aware of what a true egg donor is without having to look it up. What I find offensive is using this term to try to crucify the birth mother of a little boy. The implication of using the term is that the birth mother never cared anything about the child, which is unwarranted. JMO

BBM

The implication is that the bio-mom has a long history of not caring about/caring for/supporting the child, which is very much warranted.

You don't have to like the word egg-donor but it has a meaning in popular culture (just like sperm-donor) and it fits pretty well in this case. This woman abandoned her child according to the documentation that exists, and what we have heard. She has not been involved with him for 2/3 to 3/4 of his life. Just like an egg donor, she may have given him her DNA, but that's not enough to be considered an active parent.

 

[Whisperer]

We don't know her circumstances for not being there. We also don't know the circumstances of why JI got custody. I will assume it was because somebody gave him a house and job as no eighteen yr old can qualify for a home w/o some serious money or it was gifted to him.

If he can't get buy on a house payment of appr $200- $400 a month then he has some money mgt problems. He is an electrician and they make darn good money.

I am not going to get in a pizza contest about custody again. At this point, she had her reasons and I would imagine they are pretty darn good ones.

 

[askfornina]

Jim Spellman is back from Europe and he will be on Vinnie Politian tonight, live show featuring Baby Lisa.

jimspellmancnn jim spellman
Thanks for the info. I'll be taking part in an @VinniePolitan #babylisa special taping tomorrow. Shoot me any thoughts you may have.

jimspellmancnn jim spellman
I'm up to speed on the vigils, the former casino search and the custody stuff. I'll check with police about the well search and some other leads I'm pursuing. I believe that the show is actually live tomorow...i think i misunderstood. I'll tweet the details tomorrow

http://twitter.com/#!/jimspellmancnn

not sure where else to put this.

 

[Nixie]

Jim Spellman is back from Europe and he will be on Vinnie Politian tonight, live show featuring Baby Lisa.

jimspellmancnn jim spellman
Thanks for the info. I'll be taking part in an @VinniePolitan #babylisa special taping tomorrow. Shoot me any thoughts you may have.

jimspellmancnn jim spellman
I'm up to speed on the vigils, the former casino search and the custody stuff. I'll check with police about the well search and some other leads I'm pursuing. I believe that the show is actually live tomorow...i think i misunderstood. I'll tweet the details tomorrow

http://twitter.com/#!/jimspellmancnn

not sure where else to put this.

So glad he is back even if he can't go to MO I know he will be up to date on the case and I truest his info. I hope he can find some new info to share this case is just heartbreaking!

 

[askfornina]

So glad he is back even if he can't go to MO I know he will be up to date on the case and I truest his info. I hope he can find some new info to share this case is just heartbreaking!

it sounds like he might be back in KC, what with the "checking with police" comment. he could do that via email though. we should find out tonight on Vinnie.

 

[scmom]

BBM

The implication is that the bio-mom has a long history of not caring about/caring for/supporting the child, which is very much warranted.

You don't have to like the word egg-donor but it has a meaning in popular culture (just like sperm-donor) and it fits pretty well in this case. This woman abandoned her child according to the documentation that exists, and what we have heard. She has not been involved with him for 2/3 to 3/4 of his life. Just like an egg donor, she may have given him her DNA, but that's not enough to be considered an active parent.

You are entitled to your opinion, no argument there, but I adamantly disagree that the documentation and what we have "heard" tell a story rich enough in fact to judge that the birth mother is nothing more than an egg donor. Of course, it's possible that RR deserves the contempt some so gleefully heap upon her head in what I see as an attempt to deflect attention from the full issue. IMO DB is no more suitable a mother than RR.

 

[In da Middle]

We don't know her circumstances for not being there. We also don't know the circumstances of why JI got custody. I will assume it was because somebody gave him a house and job as no eighteen yr old can qualify for a home w/o some serious money or it was gifted to him.

If he can't get buy on a house payment of appr $200- $400 a month then he has some money mgt problems. He is an electrician and they make darn good money.

I am not going to get in a pizza contest about custody again. At this point, she had her reasons and I would imagine they are pretty darn good ones.

Again, he is the sole note holder on the house carrying the entire mortgage to himself. No co-signer. He is the SOLE owner by warranty deed and deed of trust. The house was never in any family members name by either previous owner nor note holder.

And where is it said he said he can't get by with a $200-400 house payment? There is nothing indicating he is having problems meeting his mortgage obligations. With the amount of the note, I am sure his house payment is also more than $200-400 and there is still no indication of any problems with his mortgage status.

 

[cityslick]

You are entitled to your opinion, no argument there, but I adamantly disagree that the documentation and what we have "heard" tell a story rich enough in fact to judge that the birth mother is nothing more than an egg donor. Of course, it's possible that RR deserves the contempt some so gleefully heap upon her head in what I see as an attempt to deflect attention from the full issue. IMO DB is no more suitable a mother than RR.

I've seen people label DB alcoholic, bad mother, all sorts of stuff based on the actions of one night. I agree with you, I don't think labels should be attached to anyone.