Evidence connecting JR, CWW and/or MS to one another. How/when do their paths cross?

[Lilibet]

Well, I guess this officer called it, back in the day. Chilling. This happened soon after CWW tried to get Greg Bolin to run his pregnant girlfriend off the road "to mess with her."

On another occasion soon after, Bolin said he was in the car with Wright when Wright was pulled over and questioned about some stolen cars. Bolin said the officer pulled him aside to ask if he knew anything.
"I will never forget what that cop said to me," Bolin said. "He's like, you know what? I know how this starts off. Stealing car stereos and, you know, car parts, and now he's moved into stealing cars. He's like, you know, this is a chance to stop him. If he doesn't stop now, he's going to graduate into killing people. With God as my witness, that's what that cop said to me."

BBM

http://www.naplesnews.com/news/crim...ath-of-dr-teresa-sievers--2345-339128031.html

 

[Bobbywoo]

So according to the above news article CWW had a general distaste for TS. I have always wondered about that and now it's confirmed. I wonder if he has ever met her in person or if his distaste was from MS always talking about her success and how much he loved her? Or could it be that MS vented to CWW about the marriage shortcomings? All just my speculation and thoughts.

 

[Lilibet]

So according to the above news article CWW had a general distaste for TS. I have always wondered about that and now it's confirmed. I wonder if he has ever met her in person or if his distaste was from MS always talking about her success and how much he loved her? Or could it be that MS vented to CWW about the marriage shortcomings? All just my speculation and thoughts.

BBM

Assuming they had met, I wonder if CWW didn't care for TS because maybe she didn't respond to him the way other women did:

"He was an expert at scheming to get girls. That's why he was a lot of fun to hang out with," Bolin said.

I can't imagine her having any patience for that kind of attitude.

http://www.naplesnews.com/news/crim...ath-of-dr-teresa-sievers--2345-339128031.html

 

[MsArk]

Plus- didn't the article say RB married the ex fiancé of MS after she and MS broke up. Even though that, IMO, probably isn't relevant to TS's murder or RB's disappearance, I would agree- "an intricate set of circumstances" indeed!

Edited for accuracy (I think! This case has so many twists and turns- most of which we most likely do not know!) . Posted during one of my in the middle of the night catch up session.

 

[Arachne 1]

Plus- didn't the article say RB married the ex fiancé of MS after she and MS broke up. Even though that, IMO, probably isn't relevant to TS's murder or RB's disappearance, I would agree- "an intricate set of circumstances" indeed!

Edited for accuracy (I think! This case has so many twists and turns- most of which we most likely do not know!) . Posted during one of my in the middle of the night catch up session.

Per Jessica Lipscomb's article: Shelley Fryer dated Mark Sievers for 3 years. They broke things off, before the wedding.

2 years after the break-up, Greg Bolin married Shelley Fryer. His brother, Ronnie, was the minister who officiated. Shelley wore the dress she had originally set-aside for Mark, before they broke up.

It must be a very small town.

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

RE: NIN's post #374, thread about Evidence connecting CWW & JR


Thanks, NIN, for bringing Jessica Lipscomb's article to us. (I'm sorry I couldn't figure out how to transplant it here!) This reporter MUST win some type of honor, for the most comprehensive article written about Dr. Sievers' case, yet! I hope Naples Daily News is paying Ms. Lipscomb what she's worth!

A poster or VI had stated earlier on Websleuths that they thought CWW and JR had met at the same jail, but they couldn't remember which of two jails. I am glad Jessica finally nailed it!

I have always thought that several others were involved, not just to share the ride, but to participate in the murder, itself.

I hope the detectives have checked-out the other criminals that shared the same "pod". I hope they have cross-referenced their FBs and phone records.

God only knows what kind of alliances these criminals make, while they're in jail/prison!

Totally good point - I hadn't thought of that......my God this case is never-ending and most definitely far-reaching.

 

[SeesSeas]

Mark Sievers' former girlfriend even “described Sievers as a sweet guy and said she didn't have anything bad to say about him.“

http://www.naplesnews.com/news/crim...ath-of-dr-teresa-sievers--2345-339128031.html
Sievers and Fryer
Years before he married Teresa in 2003, Mark Sievers was engaged to a woman named Shelley Fryer. Fryer said she was introduced to Sievers through her mother, who worked with him at a 7-Eleven in Manchester, Missouri. The couple dated for about three years and were engaged but broke things off before the wedding.
"We just drifted apart," she said recently from her home in Illinois. "I haven't seen Mark since the '90s."
Fryer described Sievers as a sweet guy and said she didn't have anything bad to say about him.
"He was a lot of fun," she said.

 

[FelicityLemon]

RE: NIN's post #374, thread about Evidence connecting CWW & JR


Thanks, NIN, for bringing Jessica Lipscomb's article to us. (I'm sorry I couldn't figure out how to transplant it here!) This reporter MUST win some type of honor, for the most comprehensive article written about Dr. Sievers' case, yet! I hope Naples Daily News is paying Ms. Lipscomb what she's worth!

A poster or VI had stated earlier on Websleuths that they thought CWW and JR had met at the same jail, but they couldn't remember which of two jails. I am glad Jessica finally nailed it!

I have always thought that several others were involved, not just to share the ride, but to participate in the murder, itself.

I hope the detectives have checked-out the other criminals that shared the same "pod". I hope they have cross-referenced their FBs and phone records.

God only knows what kind of alliances these criminals make, while they're in jail/prison!

Good thought about podmates because I'm curious as to how (or through whom) Corey Fox had so many details correct about the disappearance/murder of Ronnie Bolin. He also had some information wrong (or flat out lied), but so much more of it was definitely in line with the statements of other witnesses in that 62pg document. Part of that info could have been from small town scuttlebutt and news articles, but some of the info seems insider. So many loose-lipped criminals around this case. Thank goodness.

 

[Russian Blue]

Per Jessica Lipscomb's article: Shelley Fryer dated Mark Sievers for 3 years. They broke things off, before the wedding.

2 years after the break-up, Greg Bolin married Shelley Fryer. His brother, Ronnie, was the minister who officiated. Shelley wore the dress she had originally set-aside for Mark, before they broke up.

It must be a very small town.

I am wondering if some of the dates, if mods think appropriate, from JN article can be added to the timeline. I think too if anyone knows dates such as when TS went and graduated med school, met MS, married MS that would answer a couple of questions just from a who knew who when perspective. I would love to see the timeline up on the big white board at SMS's office!

 

[FelicityLemon]

More from another ex-wife of CWW in this latest article by Jessica Lipscomb
Tangled web surrounds suspects Curtis “Wayne” Wright, Jimmy Rodgers in death of Dr. Teresa Sievers
http://www.naplesnews.com/news/crim...ath-of-dr-teresa-sievers--2345-339128031.html

Bad enough that my new husband would be in jail, but to then have him try to manipulate or intimidate me into being a pen pal to someone else would be very unsettling to me :/

She was smart to get out of that marriage alive. I say that after reading so many indicators of much worse future violence to her - in addition to the actual threats of violence and intimidation she had already experienced. I wonder if any of CWW's wives had or have life insurance.

 

[DexterMorgan]

I am wondering if some of the dates, if mods think appropriate, from JN article can be added to the timeline. I think too if anyone knows dates such as when TS went and graduated med school, met MS, married MS that would answer a couple of questions just from a who knew who when perspective. I would love to see the timeline up on the big white board at SMS's office!

This is via mod KateB.

Dr. Sievers was affiliated with the Suncoast Medical Clinics in St Petersburg when she and MS resided there.
http://www.yellowpages.com/saint-petersburg-fl/mip/sievers-teresa-a-md-9828259

SMC is according to their About Us "Suncoast Medical Clinic is South Pinellas County's largest physician alliance serving the St. Petersburg, FL, community for nearly five decades."

http://www.suncoastmedicalclinic.com/content/about-us/

I've always thought she got her M.D. shortly after or simultaneously with her 1996 graduation from medical school.



http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/ctpost/obituary.aspx?pid=175207127

 

[observation]

"Mark called from Florida and he said, 'What happened?' I said, 'I don't know. We had a great friendship and I thought our marriage would be great.'"

Mark Sievers asked if Wright was back on drugs but she said she didn't believe so. Becker said Sievers made a comment that he had been trying to tell Wright he was bipolar since high school.

Becker said Wright had a general distaste for Sievers' wife, although he never elaborated or said anything about harming her.

"He would just say, 'I don't really care for her,'" Becker said.

Snipped from the article- This piece of information stood out to me personally. TS did not have 1 enemy to speak of at this point, to any of our knowledge through MSM etc. I would also wager a bet that CWW disliked MS telling him he suspected he had bipolar disorder. Just got me thinking.

**Not sure if this comment makes the most sense in this thread- mods, please move, if a better match in a different thread.


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[MinnesotaMary]

Thank you so much for posting the new article ! I tried as hard as I could, but I got utterly lost at the part about one woman wearing a wedding dress that was to have been worn (by that woman? by some other woman?) for someone's marriage to Mark Sievers, which I guess never happened, because I think MS has been married once only. If I go back to study that article, I am going to have a big set of colored markers & colored construction paper, glue & tape, & meebee I can figger it out--origami paper, ribbons & string would probably help, too (I think I'd wind up needing to make some sort of very, very complex 3-D mobile:snooty.

I also got confused at the part about 'not seeing HIM since Xmas' & the 'I think HE is innocent'. It seemed the reporter was talking about Mark Sievers, but it also more seemed she was talking about Wayne Wright.

Reading that article felt like taking a super duper hard test.......& I was failing...

 

[jggordo]

This case more initials and letters than a can of alphabet soup. LOL

 

[observation]

WELL, maybe it's safe to say we will not be viewing the CWW documents from MO?? The sunshine state is looking gloomy at this point. The JL article was insightful but we need more information. Early this week I noticed a pause in this thread....keep pertinent parts of the docs sealed but reveal more than we now know...please!


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[KateB]

Thank you so much for posting the new article ! I tried as hard as I could, but I got utterly lost at the part about one woman wearing a wedding dress that was to have been worn (by that woman? by some other woman?) for someone's marriage to Mark Sievers, which I guess never happened, because I think MS has been married once only. If I go back to study that article, I am going to have a big set of colored markers & colored construction paper, glue & tape, & meebee I can figger it out--origami paper, ribbons & string would probably help, too (I think I'd wind up needing to make some sort of very, very complex 3-D mobile:snooty.

I also got confused at the part about 'not seeing HIM since Xmas' & the 'I think HE is innocent'. It seemed the reporter was talking about Mark Sievers, but it also more seemed she was talking about Wayne Wright.

Reading that article felt like taking a super duper hard test.......& I was failing...

I'll give it a shot.

MS was engaged to SF but they never married. They met through her mother who worked with MS at a 7-11 in Manchester, MO. SF spoke good of MS for this article, but she hasn't seen him since the '90s. I think it has to be CWW that she thinks is innocent, due to seeing "him" last at her mother's house (CWW's (eta: grand)mother-in-law) We know this from the other article that the mother (KW) of CWW's wife, AW says her (KW) little sister (SF) was engaged to MS.

Two years after the broken engagement, SF married GB in the same wedding dress she'd planned to wear to marry MS.

KB is CWW's most recent ex-wife who was married briefly to CWW in 2011. CWW wanted her to be pen-pals with JRR.

? Right? Corrections welcome.

ETA: There's a generation missing in there. CWW's M-I-L is a sister to SF, so it'd be grandma's house to AW, CWW's wife, to be SF's mother's house at Christmas.

 

[Paulas88]

WELL, maybe it's safe to say we will not be viewing the CWW documents from MO?? The sunshine state is looking gloomy at this point. The JL article was insightful but we need more information. Early this week I noticed a pause in this thread....keep pertinent parts of the docs sealed but reveal more than we now know...please!


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As soon as the defense "Elizabeth Parker" receives discovery, we will too! I believe this Wednesday is the deadline for release.

 

[DexterMorgan]

As soon as the defense "Elizabeth Parker" receives discovery, we will too! I believe this Wednesday is the deadline for release.

I wonder if jr will be mentioned in them or are they only for cww part of things?

 

[irishchook]

I'll give it a shot.

MS was engaged to SF but they never married. They met through her mother who worked with MS at a 7-11 in Manchester, MO. SF spoke good of MS for this article, but she hasn't seen him since the '90s. I think it has to be CWW that she thinks is innocent, due to seeing "him" last at her mother's house (CWW's (eta: grand)mother-in-law) We know this from the other article that the mother (KW) of CWW's wife, AW says her (KW) little sister (SF) was engaged to MS.

Two years after the broken engagement, SF married GB in the same wedding dress she'd planned to wear to marry MS.

KB is CWW's most recent ex-wife who was married briefly to CWW in 2011. CWW wanted her to be pen-pals with JRR.

? Right? Corrections welcome.

ETA: There's a generation missing in there. CWW's M-I-L is a sister to SF, so it'd be grandma's house to AW, CWW's wife, to be SF's mother's house at Christmas.

I need a nap after all that ;-)

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[observation]

As soon as the defense "Elizabeth Parker" receives discovery, we will too! I believe this Wednesday is the deadline for release.

Awesome news! Thank you for the update.


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