EVIDENCE - Pro and Con

[Motherof5]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...al-media-discussion-1&p=10299429#post10299429

TM broke the rules to get her way? No way!!!

 

[Motherof5]

Can anyone list the states that the M's went through on that 11/19 trip? I need a refresher. TIA

 

[magnolia]

I just hope the judge will actually allow the solicitor to talk for more than 1 minute before he interrupts and argues with her and then launches into one of his stories. That would go a long way to allowing a cohesive presentation and allowing the state to properly object and advocate for their position. It's amazing how the perception of a lawyer's oral presentation and debate skills can be affected directly by the judge and how much latitude an attorney is given and how long they're allowed to talk.

If the state is dealing with a sexist judge (and yes, they are out there in the world), then I agree it would be important for the state to get a male in the lead or risk the unbalanced and bias of such a judge.

If this Judge has sexist views, he has reflected his position many times before in the court room. The prosecutors are more than well aware of it. That known, I believe the state would have used a male prosecutor to present their case in the bond hearing. Most are court room savvy in this way.

I think the Judge had simply heard enough to make his decision. He knew the prosecutor was not going to say anything that would change his mind. IMO

Edited to add: I have to wonder if some would feel the same way if the Judge had cut the defense off.

 

[OkieGranny]

Can anyone list the states that the M's went through on that 11/19 trip? I need a refresher. TIA

Er, well, there are screenshots of some dates and locations from that trip, taken from Sidney's now-deleted Facebook account. Cannot discuss them here, but I think dates and locations can be manipulated on FB posts anyway. Not 100% certain the info would be reliable.

 

[Makaroni]

As someone who was married to a control freak, the 90 missed calls are not odd to me. I would have 50 within a half hour easily after we split. Crazy people do crazy things. JMO

 

[NFYIAMY]

If this Judge has sexist views, he has reflected his position many times before in the court room. The prosecutors are more than well aware of it. That known, I believe the state would have used a male prosecutor to present their case in the bond hearing. Most are court room savvy in this way.

I think the Judge had simply heard enough to make his decision. He knew the prosecutor was not going to say anything that would change his mind. IMO

Edited to add: I have to wonder if some would feel the same way if the Judge had cut the defense off.

I can answer that easily: I would feel differently. Point is he didn't.

I don't think it's uncommon for judges to be set in different ways or go about things differently just about anywhere. I've heard many times a lawyer say "I hope we judge x and not judge Y" - for whatever the reason may be. I just think that, for this case, the change in judges is unfortunate. Also - didn't someone post something that this judge is from the same small community that SM's parents are from? Or am I thinking of something else?

Edited to add: I agree with you. I believe the judge had decided before anyone said anything what he was going to do based on whatever information was given in the meeting they had prior to the hearing itself.

 

[CluedIn]

If this Judge has sexist views, he has reflected his position many times before in the court room. The prosecutors are more than well aware of it. That known, I believe the state would have used a male prosecutor to present their case in the bond hearing. Most are court room savvy in this way.

I think the Judge had simply heard enough to make his decision. He knew the prosecutor was not going to say anything that would change his mind. IMO

Edited to add: I have to wonder if some would feel the same way if the Judge had cut the defense off.

Actually, it seemed to me the judge had made his decision before entering the court room. JMO of course. Did anyone else catch that very casual comment prior to his formerly granting bond that he said, "they are going to make bond, everyone deserves bond." So I agree that the prosecution wasn't going to say anything that would change his mind. I don't know about the sexism stuff, but I did feel he didn't respect the solicitor, for what ever reason that may be. He even went into some rambling story about someone being resentful and not speaking with him for a year or so after ruling against them. I couldn't make out if he was directing that toward that specific solicitor or someone else. Either way he came across quite biased in even just sharing that. MOO.

 

[magnolia]

I can answer that easily: I would feel differently. Point is he didn't.

I don't think it's uncommon for judges to be set in different ways or go about things differently just about anywhere. I've heard many times a lawyer say "I hope we judge x and not judge Y" - for whatever the reason may be. I just think that, for this case, the change in judges is unfortunate. Also - didn't someone post something that this judge is from the same small community that SM's parents are from? Or am I thinking of something else?

Edited to add: I agree with you. I believe the judge had decided before anyone said anything what he was going to do based on whatever information was given in the meeting they had prior to the hearing itself.

Why would you feel differently? Why do you feel the change of Judge is unfortunate?

There are a lot of small towns and communities in the U.S. We can't expect every Judge to be disqualified because he or she happens to be from or live in the same community where a defendants parents live. I don't believe the Judge's decision or actions were bias. As he stated, this is not a Capital case. Why would he refuse to grant them bond.

 

[SStarr33]

This was probably discussed somewhere before, but I have yet to come across it... I read somewhere that The M's had several security cameras on their property - if they were to re-record (if that's possible) over the time period that Heather went missing, would sending the video to some sort of specialists/investigator be able to prove that there was a period of time recorded over?

That's a really good question. I just saw some screenshots that her system took of vehicles on her property and I hope the cameras that caught them going to PTL are similar in quality because they are pretty darn clear.

 

[Motherof5]

Delta Dawn,

Do you know of or did you see any posts by TM saying that they were in the Florida Keys the week of 9/13?

 

[stillwatersc]

Re: 47 days

The Moorers were gone on their "way out West" tour from November 19 to December 11. So the 47 days is really only 25 days.

But then there's Delta Dawn's post about the weirdness of their return trip. Hmm...

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...al-media-discussion-1&p=10299568#post10299568

I do remember seeing a few pics from Disneyland on FB but they were not like her usual 'document everything' trips and were very generic. She also had said she was staying at the DisneyLand Resort Hotel that trip but another mutual friend that was there the exact same time tried to send the kids a treat to their room and was told they were not registered. Those were the beginnings of the bells going off for us, little did we know it would get much worse.

I also felt that her time to return home from that trip was crazy short. One hour she's posting that they are in Texas (and some people were asking why she didn't make it to see them like she promised where she apologized and said she was in a hurry to get home) and then a few hours later she's home in MB? I remember thinking...wow...how did they get home so fast?!

ETA: EmmaRose, you beat me to it while I was digging up that link, lol.

That "trip" was very hokey. I wonder where they really were.

 

[NWLady]

My opinion is, I don't think the Prosecutor presented herself in a very professional manner. She did not seem to be very well prepared and she did not seem to present things directly related to the purpose of the hearing which was regarding whether they should get BOND or not. IMO, she should not be the one representing the state in a case such as this. How you present yourself, your tone of voice, your composure, and how organized/well prepared you are all reflects on how your case is represented (at least IMO it does).
I am in no way defending the Moorers here; however, I will say I would rather listen to SM's attorney all day than listen to that Prosecutor.

 

[Delta Dawn]

Delta Dawn,

Do you know of or did you see any posts by TM saying that they were in the Florida Keys the week of 9/13?

I vaguely remember a short side trip to the Keys from their extended Fort Wilderness stay. Like they were at the Fort, left to go to the Keys and then went back to the Fort. It was a long trip when they christened the Mickey camper.

 

[NWLady]

I am guessing that possibly the video surveillance at the compound was installed after Heather was reported missing. I have nothing to back this thought up.

 

[Motherof5]

I vaguely remember a short side trip to the Keys from their extended Fort Wilderness stay. Like they were at the Fort, left to go to the Keys and then went back to the Fort. It was a long trip when they christened the Mickey camper.

Thank you!!

 

[magnolia]

The only evidence refuted that we are aware of was the location of "the DNA" found. When LE said they found and would be having DNA tested by their crime lab, there is *no way* they could know in advance whose DNA it would turn out to be that was collected. The mistake was either by LE or the lab itself, identifying "the DNA sample" as being found in the M's truck when it was really taken from HE's car. We don't yet know who made this mistake but I doubt it was intentional. The arrest was made before any DNA testing and did not depend on DNA results.

We now have learned it was in fact HE's DNA but the location it was collected was not from the M's truck. Okay, that's one less piece of evidence but let's not throw the entire case out the window because of one error, and especially when the case hasn't gone to trial AND all the evidence hasn't been revealed yet.

The defense claims the vehicle on video only appears as a "black blob". The state says, "no, you can tell it's a black truck." Let's wait and see what it appears to be.

BBM--I don't believe anyone is throwing the entire case away because of one error. At least, I haven't seen any comments to suggest that.

I think while playing wait and see, the error and truck will be discussed many times between now and trial. This is to be expected on an Evidence Pro and Con thread.

 

[magnolia]

My opinion is, I don't think the Prosecutor presented herself in a very professional manner. She did not seem to be very well prepared and she did not seem to present things directly related to the purpose of the hearing which was regarding whether they should get BOND or not. IMO, she should not be the one representing the state in a case such as this. How you present yourself, your tone of voice, your composure, and how organized/well prepared you are all reflects on how your case is represented (at least IMO it does).
I am in no way defending the Moorers here; however, I will say I would rather listen to SM's attorney all day than listen to that Prosecutor.

I totally agree. She also seemed to have a lack of confidence.

 

[Aeronomy]

Thinking back to the initial texts from TM to Heather, I wonder if TM even knew who she was texting other than it being some girl her husband was screwing. I wonder if SM had given her Heather's name . . . or a fake name . . . or if she knew her first name, but not her last name . . .

If TM wanted to track Heather down for any reason, it could take a bit longer if she had to first figure out her real name. Yeah, I'd really like to know that answer . . . because if not, then I wonder :thinking: . . . about the arguments that will be presented in court . . . among other things.

 

[Aeronomy]

however, I will say I would rather listen to SM's attorney all day than listen to that Prosecutor.

snipped to make an OT point

I could listen to the defense attorneys, the prosecutor and that judge for hours just to hear their accent. Barring my opinion on the content of what was said, I was simply enthralled in the way they said it.

 

[NFYIAMY]

snipped to make an OT point

I could listen to the defense attorneys, the prosecutor and that judge for hours just to hear their accent. Barring my opinion on the content of what was said, I was simply enthralled in the way they said it.

Well, bless your heart. You love the way we talk down here do ya?