Evident callousness.

[tipper]

Martha Moxley was not found dead in her basement with a fake ransome note written with paper and pen from their own house.

Martha Moxley's mother cooperated fully with police.

Martha Moxley's mother continued to stop at nothing to find her killer.

Martha Moxley's whole family was victimized by the Skakels yet, they cooperated fully with the police, opened their home to the investigation, made themselves available to police anytime, anyplace, and, Martha Moxley's family cooperated with Mark Fuhrman when he wrote his book.

[...]

She was found dead in their yard.

Had the Greenwich police been so disposed they could have built the same kind of case against Dorthy Moxley based on lies and innuendo that was built against the Ramseys. After all they had Martha's diary in which she'd recently called her mother a . What a field-day there would be if JonBenet had made a similar pronouncement.

Martha's father (just like the Ramseys) hired detectives. Dorthy Moxley didn't get involved with the investigation until 13 years later (after he died.) Although she tried she didn't have much success in getting or keeping the case before the public until the William Kennedy Smith trial and Dunne's A Season in Purgatory. As Martha's brother said (paraphrased) The whole subject was never discussed in our house. It was like a room you never went in.

She did cooperate with the police. They also cooperated with her by coming to the house for interviews and treating her like a victim, even in the early days when they didn't have any ideas about who might be the killer.

She cooperated with Fuhrman. But he wasn't writing a book that painted her as her daughter's killer. And by then Dunne had the Sutton report. Would she have cooperated with him if he'd been going after her or her son? I doubt it. When Dunne called her about writing his book on Martha's murder she wasn't sure she wanted to cooperate. It was only because Dunne was also the parent of a murdered child that she went along with the idea. I think by that time she had given up on finding Martha's killer - as I think the Ramseys (or at least Patsy) have done.

When the Ramseys made themselves available to police after the funeral they were told the time for meaningful discussion had passed. After that their lawyers took over. As the FBI said the fault in the interview delays lies on both sides.

And one last thing. Martha is buried in Putnam Cemetary in Greenwich. Never have I seen the Moxleys taken to task (nor should they have been) for moving away from where their daughter is buried the way the Ramseys were.

I have nothing but admiration for Dorthy Moxley but I still think the Ramseys are held to an unrealistic standard of behavior.

 

[narlacat]

Narlacat, I'm sorry if my posts are difficult to understand. I've just posted my revised theory for what it's worth. If you can wade through it maybe my comments might become clearer. Mind you, I don't expect anyone to agree with my theory. It's strange, it seems so obvious to me that that or something very similar happened but I suppose everyone thinks that about their own theory.

PS I thought they did live next door but I don't know where I got that idea from. Where DID they live?

They lived in Rollinsville, a little mountain town about an hour from Boulder.

 

[aussiesheila]

They lived in Rollinsville, a little mountain town about an hour from Boulder.

Thanks for that Narlacat. After you told me they didn't live next door I went back to PMPT and he said they had a cabin in the mountains 20 miles away. I imagine that 'cabin' meant a holiday place rather than their home but that might be incorrect. I need to find out how far away they lived because it is highly relevant to my theory which I might have to change.

 

[Toltec]

You'd have to ask the R's how far they got thru the RN before they dialed 911.

Do you know if the R's dialed 911 before they reached the 'beheaded' remark?

Did you or the intruder-perp RN author expect someone to actually tread thru 3 pages of words to absorb the entire content completely, and then make a rational decision on what to do next?

Patsy seemed to know not to call law enforcement because of the threats....when John told her to call 911, she responded "Are you sure?".

 

[narlacat]

Thanks for that Narlacat. After you told me they didn't live next door I went back to PMPT and he said they had a cabin in the mountains 20 miles away. I imagine that 'cabin' meant a holiday place rather than their home but that might be incorrect. I need to find out how far away they lived because it is highly relevant to my theory which I might have to change.

That's ok aussie
I found that in ST's book.
Rollinsville is about an hour away from Boulder.
It was their place of residence not a holiday place , but I think I remember that they did have a holiday cabin somewhere, but not entirely sure about that and could be wrong.

 

[Seeker]

20 miles away from Boulder is about a 1 hour drive.

 

[narlacat]

Yeah that does seem coincidental...20 miles would be an hours drive. I am sure that is where they lived though and not a holiday place.

 

[Camper]

Welllllll, PR knew how the note ended, quoting the Victory thingie at the end of the 911 call. Sounds like a mystery story reader, who when so 'into' the story goes to the end of the book to see how it all came out and 'who dun it'.

I have done that.

WHO reading here would have been guilty of NOT READING the entire note?

WOULDN'T you want to know ALL of the story, the entire note, LEARN where you little girl was and who had taken her?

:doh: :liar: Yeah, says victory at the end.:croc:


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[Eagle1]

Aussie, I think the FW's used to live next door, or maybe two houses down, but had moved into a new or larger house. You were probably thinking of them living there instead of the McSantas. I do like the way your theories are written.

 

[Eagle1]

P did not write the note. The R's did not cove up. B or JAR did not kill their sister on purpose or by accident. Free your mind.

Typical emphatic male statement. I'm just kidding around here, lol, but Would we be given an opportunity to "recant" , as when Martin Luther or somebody was about to be burned at the stake? Or an opportunity to rephrase as lawyers do before we'd get axed on a bad-hair day? lol

 

[Jayelles]

Thanks for that Narlacat. After you told me they didn't live next door I went back to PMPT and he said they had a cabin in the mountains 20 miles away. I imagine that 'cabin' meant a holiday place rather than their home but that might be incorrect. I need to find out how far away they lived because it is highly relevant to my theory which I might have to change.

The McReynolds' weren't wealthy people. John Ramsey spoke of them being "poor". I seriously doubt they had a holiday home. They lived quite far away from the ramsey home and McSanta had open heart surgery just 3/4 months before JonBenet's murder. He was described as being "frail". He has since died.

 

[tipper]

The McReynolds' weren't wealthy people. John Ramsey spoke of them being "poor". I seriously doubt they had a holiday home. They lived quite far away from the ramsey home and McSanta had open heart surgery just 3/4 months before JonBenet's murder. He was described as being "frail". He has since died.

I'm not sure how frail he was. He went on a months vacation in Spain not long after the murder as well as making the talk show rounds. I believe he died in Sept 2002.

 

[why_nutt]

I'm not sure how frail he was. He went on a months vacation in Spain not long after the murder as well as making the talk show rounds. I believe he died in Sept 2002.

The specific problem McReynolds had was a lung that got nicked during his heart surgery in August of 1996. Because his lung sustained damage, his breathing became compromised and he could no longer live well in the thin air and high altitudes of Rollinsville, Colorado, nine thousand feet above sea level. When he and Janet moved to Massachusetts, their new home was perfect, being right at sea level. Even their trip to Spain would have been more comfortable than Rollinsville because of the lower altitude.

 

[tipper]

The specific problem McReynolds had was a lung that got nicked during his heart surgery in August of 1996. Because his lung sustained damage, his breathing became compromised and he could no longer live well in the thin air and high altitudes of Rollinsville, Colorado, nine thousand feet above sea level. When he and Janet moved to Massachusetts, their new home was perfect, being right at sea level. Even their trip to Spain would have been more comfortable than Rollinsville because of the lower altitude.

Found it:


By Lynn Bartels, News Staff Writer
December 17, 2001

Santa Claus lives in New England now.

Bill McReynolds and his wife, Janet, left Boulder County several months after he donned his red suit for the last time, playing Santa Claus at John and Patsy Ramsey's 1996 Christmas party.


Eventually, the McReynolds would join the long list of people to be hounded by the authorities and the media in the death of 6-year-old JonBenet Ramsey.

"People naturally assumed that I slid from Colorado," McReynolds, 71, said in a recent interview. "That was far from the truth. I've never been in hiding. The police always knew where I was. The district attorney has always known where I was."

It wasn't JonBenet's death but McReynolds' brush with death that caused the family to move, he said.

McReynolds, who has a history of heart problems, underwent surgery in August 1996 to have an aortic valve replaced. He said doctors also had to remove a portion of his lung they had mistakenly punctured.

"It was really impractical to stay high in the mountains of Colorado," he said.

The McReynolds moved to Colorado in 1968. He taught journalism at the University of Colorado until his operation. She was a playwright and a film critic for the Daily Camera in Boulder.

The first time Bill McReynolds played Santa Claus at the Ramseys' Christmas party something unusual happened.

JonBenet did not tell Santa what she wanted for Christmas. Instead, she gave him a gift: gold glitter for his natural, long, white beard. He took it with him to his surgery.

"That's one of the greatest gifts I've ever gotten, a vial of stardust. The whole story, of course, was she didn't want me to ever be without stardust," McReynolds said. "It's very strange. She never did ask me for anything."

John and Patsy Ramsey, in their book, The Death of Innocence, said they hadn't planned a Christmas party for 1996. But McReynolds called Dec. 20 and said television legend Charles Kuralt would be filming him for his show On the Road.

"Bill wanted to include our party in the filming, if possible, and he strongly encouraged me to have the party," Patsy Ramsey wrote. "I agreed."

The party was held Dec. 23 in the Ramseys' large house, but it turned out that Kuralt was unable to attend.

The day after Christmas, JonBenet's body was found in the basement.

The slaying of a child beauty queen who wore makeup and expensive costumes during her competitions quickly became the hottest story in the nation.

Staffers from publications ranging from The New York Times to the National Enquirer descended on Boulder. The journalism professor was disgusted at the onslaught.
[...]

I wonder who paid for the second surgery and cross-country move?

 

[sissi]

Why did the Ramseys go to Spain, were they following Santa, hoping for a lead of some kind?

 

[Nehemiah]

She was found dead in their yard.

Had the Greenwich police been so disposed they could have built the same kind of case against Dorthy Moxley based on lies and innuendo that was built against the Ramseys. After all they had Martha's diary in which she'd recently called her mother a . What a field-day there would be if JonBenet had made a similar pronouncement.

Martha's father (just like the Ramseys) hired detectives. Dorthy Moxley didn't get involved with the investigation until 13 years later (after he died.) Although she tried she didn't have much success in getting or keeping the case before the public until the William Kennedy Smith trial and Dunne's A Season in Purgatory. As Martha's brother said (paraphrased) The whole subject was never discussed in our house. It was like a room you never went in.

She did cooperate with the police. They also cooperated with her by coming to the house for interviews and treating her like a victim, even in the early days when they didn't have any ideas about who might be the killer.

She cooperated with Fuhrman. But he wasn't writing a book that painted her as her daughter's killer. And by then Dunne had the Sutton report. Would she have cooperated with him if he'd been going after her or her son? I doubt it. When Dunne called her about writing his book on Martha's murder she wasn't sure she wanted to cooperate. It was only because Dunne was also the parent of a murdered child that she went along with the idea. I think by that time she had given up on finding Martha's killer - as I think the Ramseys (or at least Patsy) have done.

When the Ramseys made themselves available to police after the funeral they were told the time for meaningful discussion had passed. After that their lawyers took over. As the FBI said the fault in the interview delays lies on both sides.

And one last thing. Martha is buried in Putnam Cemetary in Greenwich. Never have I seen the Moxleys taken to task (nor should they have been) for moving away from where their daughter is buried the way the Ramseys were.

I have nothing but admiration for Dorthy Moxley but I still think the Ramseys are held to an unrealistic standard of behavior.

I think this case parallels quite well the Moxley murder.

The Skakels (related to the Kennedys) lawyered up and refused to cooperate when the police started looking at their family.


There are many similarities to the Ramsey case (IMO):

1. The Skakel attorneys hired their own investigators to possibly cloud the issues.

2. The Skakel boys were represented by separate counsel in the event that both were accused of the murder.

3. The facts of the case were so confusing that the DA was frustrated and unwilling to indict or convene a grand jury.

4. It appeared that the Skakel money, power, and politics intimidated the police and DA. The investigation came to a standstill.

5. As long as the Skakels refused to talk with the police, the authorities had an excuse for why they didn't prosecute.

6. As long as the police were looking at the Skakels as "suspects", the attorneys wouldn't let them talk to police.

7. The Skakels were publicly blamed for lack of cooperation in the investigation.

8. Everyone refused to take responsibility for the bungled investigation. The police blamed the DA for not prosecuting; the DA blamed the police; and, together they blamed the suspects for not cooperating.

9. The police refused outside help.

10. The police were inexperienced in homicide investigation.

11. The whole case was referred to as a "cover up of a screw up".

12. Money, power, & connections obstructed the investigation, intimidated the police and confused the prosecutors.

13. The police and DA in their own ways wanted to solve the case--they just didn't know how and didn't want to admit it.

14. Sensitive case info was released to the press.

15. Residents of the community wanted the investigation to go away.

There was one major difference that I noted. Martha's dad worked very hard to keep the investigation going. After his death, her mother, Dorthy, and brother used the media to generate public attention and apply pressure on the authorities to continue the investigation. The Moxleys used a lot of their time, energy, and money to assist in the reinvestigation that they themselves created.