Family wants to keep life support for girl brain dead after tonsil surgery #1

[gngr~snap]

I had my tonsils removed at the age of 12. I remember it vividly and that was 34 years ago.
There is no way I could have "eaten" anything that first week.
I lived on popsicles, sherbert and jello.
Even ice cream made me sick from the dairy.
I had them removed over Thanksgiving. At Christmas I tried mashed potatoes and they stuck to the raw area in my throat and the salt in the potatoes burned SO BAD!
I can see her perhaps asking for real food, but I don't know how she would have been able to swallow it!! Just thinking avout it makes my throat hurt.
I am a little surprised (at her weight) * no disrespect meant! That the Dr agreed to remove her tonsils without an additional proceedure.
In nursing school 1987 I took care of a few obese adults that had their tonsils removed due to sleep apnea etc.
At that time they also got temporary tracheostomies. The physicians were worried about excessive swelling and ending up with compromised airways, so it was done with the tonsillectomy as a precaution.
That was almost 30 years ago, I'm sure things have changed since then.
Moo
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[Tulessa]

Removal of wisdom teeth requires all sorts of special care and liquid food for a couple of days to minimize the possibility of bleeding and infection. I don't think that a surgeon would recommend a hamburger after adnoid and tonsil surgeries.

Hi otto, thanks. But does anyone know if some one may have slipped her some solid food? That post I quoted, kinda threw me a loop.

 

[gngr~snap]

Isn't organ removal for transplantation considered a surgery? I think that's why this will be tied up in legal battles to come because the hospital seems to be applying a double standard.

I thought it was a medical ethics board that discusses cases along with the hospital lawyer and the patient lawyer, who then come to a conclusion.
Are there other options?
Do they want a "feeding tube" surgically placed, like a j-tube/button?
Or are they asking for a nasogastric tube?
I can see them refusing to do "surgery" when a non-surgical option is availble and would accomplish the same thing.
moo
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[gngr~snap]

Hi otto, thanks. But does anyone know if some one may have slipped her some solid food? That post I quoted, kinda threw me a loop.

People do it all the time!
They don't understand the consequences.

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[otto]

Is the hamburger question random, or has it been reported that she was eating a hamburger after surgery. I read upthread that she was given a popsickle.

 

[Tulessa]

Is the hamburger question random, or has it been reported that she was eating a hamburger after surgery. I read upthread that she was given a popsickle.

That's what I am trying to find out. I'm going to have to throw it into the random box for now, but stating a hamburger vrs chicken nuggets, just kinda threw me.

 

[otto]

Hi otto, thanks. But does anyone know if some one may have slipped her some solid food? That post I quoted, kinda threw me a loop.

I'm pretty sure that we can rule out that the hospital had hamburgers on the menu, so if she had a hamburger, my guess would be that someone slipped it in. That would certainly shift responsibility for whatever happened away from the hospital.

 

[Tulessa]

I'm pretty sure that we can rule out that the hospital had hamburgers on the menu, so if she had a hamburger, my guess would be that someone slipped it in. That would certainly shift responsibility for whatever happened away from the hospital.

BINGO! I thought I was the only one reading it this way...

 

[Softail]

Does it really matter what she ate? That is all for the lawsuits. :sigh:

The fact of the matter is that this girl wont recover..

 

[gngr~snap]

Oh now I get it! A tracheostomy is needed to send her to another facility so that they can care for her. That is a surgical proceedure.
I'm forgetting people in comas are breathing on their own! :doh:

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[SophieRose]

Is the hamburger question random, or has it been reported that she was eating a hamburger after surgery. I read upthread that she was given a popsicle.

I don't think it was ever said that she was given a popsicle but that she asked for one.

 

[Karmady]

family/lawyer release lengthy letter to the media. Sorry if this has already been posted.

http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking...ly-attorney-release-letter-addressing-critics

 

[fruity]

family/lawyer release lengthy letter to the media. Sorry if this has already been posted.

http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking...ly-attorney-release-letter-addressing-critics

I know that this is not gracious of me at all, but why would any attorney release a letter with such appalling grammar?

I haven't even finished reading it yet. I'm shocked that it wasn't proofread. I understand that emotions are running high and that the family is passionate about their stance, but this is not good for his reputation (among many other things).

So unprofessional.

 

[SophieRose]

I'm pretty sure that we can rule out that the hospital had hamburgers on the menu, so if she had a hamburger, my guess would be that someone slipped it in. That would certainly shift responsibility for whatever happened away from the hospital.

A hospital here has hamburgers on its menu, they use lean ground beef, no mayonnaise or maybe low-fat packets. But food service would have what she's allowed to eat and I'm sure her diet would be restricted.

 

[Elley Mae]

She said that even before the surgery, her daughter had expressed fears that she wouldn't wake up after the operation. To everyone's relief, she appeared alert, was talking and even ate a Popsicle afterward.


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...-jahi-mcmath-onlife-support-article-1.1554532

Hospital officials said they couldn't discuss the case because the family hasn't given them permission to do so.



http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Oakland-8th-Grader-Brain-Dead-After-236015681.html


The family started suctioning blood themselves; Jahi's grandmother, Sandra Chatman, is a nurse at another hospital.

“A 13-year-old should not have to suction herself,” Sealey said. “She had to use a suction machine to suction her own blood. Her mother and stepfather had to suction out her blood at points. None of them work for this hospital.”

 

[fruity]

My biggest fear with this case is that it could really have an impact on the stance or opinion of people who don't know or understand science. It could give many people false hope if they find a loved one in this situation.

 

[momrids6]

family/lawyer release lengthy letter to the media. Sorry if this has already been posted.

http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking...ly-attorney-release-letter-addressing-critics

I see it does not mention that a Judge has declared Jahi deceased.

 

[fruity]

I hope when the vent is turned off her body is still intact enough to perform an autopsy and perhaps they can see what sort of damage was done by the suctioning by the family. I have suspected from the start that this suctioning made the situation worse. They are right -family should not have to suction an ICU patient, but this fact does not mean that the doctor is responsible for her death.

 

[momrids6]

Monday, Dec 16th: "Earlier on Monday, the family told ABC7 News they will not fight with Children's Hospital Oakland anymore and that they have agreed to move Jahi from life support."

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=9362444


Wonder what changed?

 

[SophieRose]

Monday, Dec 16th: "Earlier on Monday, the family told ABC7 News they will not fight with Children's Hospital Oakland anymore and that they have agreed to move Jahi from life support."

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=9362444


Wonder what changed?

The attorney contacted the family Monday night and sent the hospital a letter at 3 am Tuesday morning that a restraining order would be filed the next day.