Family wants to keep life support for girl brain dead after tonsil surgery #1

[Linda7NJ]

It's a business. I'm not a fan of big business whether they be mega hospitals or Enron.

The hospital has spoken and the words of the doctor were very insensitive.
I'm not swayed by the spin attempts by their paid spinmeister.

I find the entire situation frightening. Like that other child ripped away from her parents and her own doctor by Children's Hospital in Boston and tossed the child in the psychiatric ward for a year!

Slippery slope people...slippery!


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[Linda7NJ]

Idk, the hospital personnel and the docs involved are people, too. People who have sacrificed immensely in many different ways to provide medical care for people who need it. Without getting into a dissertation on what it takes to be a medical professional and the potential real world consequences to them and their families, suffice it to say I can more than understand their profound frustration when dealing with this type of situation.
jmo

I sympathize with them as well. there are no winners here.


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[Linda7NJ]

I come from a family of lawyers and judges. The first one in this country dates to 1790. I will never forget the day my brother informed me that "all lawyers lie, the good ones don't get caught."

I totally agree!

And I don't mean that in a belittling way... It comes with the job description sadly, most people don't understand that.



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[momrids6]

Not quite in this case. It became a Judge's decision and his decision can be appealed.

Attorneys for the hospital cited California law, which states that doctors must make a "determination of death" if a person sustains "irreversible cessation of all functions of the entire brain."

Brain-death consensus
The law requires that a hospital provide families with a "reasonably brief period of accommodation" between a finding of brain death and the discontinuing of mechanical support, giving relatives a chance to gather at the patient's bedside.

But legal and medical commentators largely agree that on one issue, the law is clear: Once doctors do a proper examination and find brain death, the person is legally dead.

At that point, "a body is being maintained on a ventilator," said David Magnus, a Stanford medical professor and director of the university's Center for Biomedical Ethics. "This is not a patient on life support. This is a patient who has passed away."

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Jahi-McMath-is-brain-dead-doctor-testifies-5091298.php

 

[Karmady]

I come from a family of lawyers and judges. The first one in this country dates to 1790. I will never forget the day my brother informed me that "all lawyers lie, the good ones don't get caught."

All people lie, and the most successful (unfortunately) don't get caught. It's not a lawyer thing. jmo

 

[MyBelle]

Attorneys for the hospital cited California law, which states that doctors must make a "determination of death" if a person sustains "irreversible cessation of all functions of the entire brain."

Brain-death consensus
The law requires that a hospital provide families with a "reasonably brief period of accommodation" between a finding of brain death and the discontinuing of mechanical support, giving relatives a chance to gather at the patient's bedside.

But legal and medical commentators largely agree that on one issue, the law is clear: Once doctors do a proper examination and find brain death, the person is legally dead.

At that point, "a body is being maintained on a ventilator," said David Magnus, a Stanford medical professor and director of the university's Center for Biomedical Ethics. "This is not a patient on life support. This is a patient who has passed away."

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Jahi-McMath-is-brain-dead-doctor-testifies-5091298.php

And an attorney stepped in on behalf of the family in this case and got a Judge involved. If nothing else of benefit comes from this case, I hope at least in the future the hospital pauses and doesn't rush parents to terminate life support just to fulfill some kind of transplant agenda.

 

[MyBelle]

All people lie, and the most successful (unfortunately) don't get caught. It's not a lawyer thing. jmo

Not all professions lie as a matter of practice.

 

[shana]

They're lawyers! Would anyone expect any less?


Honestly, I don't agree with the callousness of the actions of Children's Hospital.
I find it appalling.


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I find it far more appalling the blatant LIES told by the family's atty.

~jmo~

 

[MyBelle]

I find it far more appalling the blatant LIES told by the family's atty.

~jmo~

what lies?

 

[honesty]

Interesting read to further understand BD http://www.donorrecovery.org/learn/understanding-brain-death/

 

[shana]

Omigosh...This case is NOT about a transplant agenda and there is zero 'proof' that it is. It is clearly about the acceptance of Brain Death as a final state, declaring a body deceased even though its heart beats on a vent.

Oh, unless one accepts Byrne's take on it.

Jahi's organs are likely not viable for transplants anyway for various reasons.

~jmo~

 

[shana]

what lies?

More than I have time to cite this night. Please do read-up on the thread.

Here's just one for starters: "routine tonsillectomy"

~jmo~

 

[gngr~snap]

Omigosh...This case is NOT about a transplant agenda and there is zero 'proof' that it is. It is clearly about the acceptance of Brain Death as a final state, declaring a body deceased even though its heart beats on a vent.

Oh, unless one accepts Byrne's take on it.

Jahi's organs are likely not viable for transplants anyway for various reasons.

~jmo~

bbm. I think that may be correct.
moo

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[shana]

Jahi is NOT on "life support". She may be receiving "support" as a dead body, but she is deceased and has been since the first tests so stated. 5 tests later and agreed by the court, she is still in the same condition...deceased.

No one has EVER "come back to life" after being declared Brain Dead.

~jmo~

 

[momrids6]

Dolan said a facility in the Los Angeles area also withdrew its offer because it didn't want media attention or to jeopardize its relationship with its doctors, who refused to treat someone who's been declared brain dead.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/facility-york-hope-jahi-mcmath-21359632

 

[shana]

Dolan said a facility in the Los Angeles area also withdrew its offer because it didn't want media attention or to jeopardize its relationship with its doctors, who refused to treat someone who's been declared brain dead.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/facility-york-hope-jahi-mcmath-21359632

Not surprising.

How very sad to see this family keep knocking on doors and getting a NO answer.

~jmo~

 

[txsvicki]

I've realized one thing about all this and that is our hearts are amazing organs. I'd never have dreamed that a heart could be kept alive for a good while, and that the one organ would keep a dead body going right along with it. I find that sort of scary for some reason, and would have rather remained ignorant.

 

[Elley Mae]

bbm. I think that may be correct.
moo

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I"ll bet that's correct.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

what lies?

Here's another... she was perfectly healthy when she walked into the hospital.

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[shana]

I've realized one thing about all this and that is our hearts are amazing organs. I'd never have dreamed that a heart could be kept alive for a good while, and that the one organ would keep a dead body going right along with it. I find that sort of scary for some reason, and would have rather remained ignorant.

The human body is indeed amazing, isn't it?

But Jahi's heart is beating only because of the vent. Remove it and her heart will stop soon enough.

As well, the rest of her body is not going right along with it. Her other organ systems are failing and she is decomposing as time passes...also a natural process for the body of a dead being.

~jmo~